Women should be prosecuted for false rape accusations

[Galloism]

Title IX applies to the entire criminal justice system, dontchaknow.

I don't.....I don't even know what it is. It was a genuine question...

http://knowyourix.org/title-ix/title-ix-the-basics/

It's been good and bad, in certain ways.

[Ethel mermania]

Title IX applies to the entire criminal justice system, dontchaknow.

I don't.....I don't even know what it is. It was a genuine question...

Title IX is a federal law that schools and colleges create equal oppertunities for women and not create a hostile enviroment against women. Mainly you see it to equalize treatment of women in schools and sports. It does not give schools the ability to imprison people for rape.

[Ethel mermania]

I don't.....I don't even know what it is. It was a genuine question...

http://knowyourix.org/title-ix/title-ix-the-basics/

It's been good and bad, in certain ways.

I really don't think rape, aside from as an educational issue, belongs in schools at all. Rape is a very serious crime and should be treated from the get go as a criminal matter.

[Sulmania]

Just wanted to point out (as others did already) that not only are people already prosecuted for lying about crimes, but this whole idea seems rather sexist. How often do women really lie about being raped? (I doubt there's many.) And why are we bringing in the Mattress Girl from Columbia? As far as I've read, what she has said about her rapist is the truth.

- Head of Sulmania

[Jadentopia]

Yes.

[Ethel mermania]

Just wanted to point out (as others did already) that not only are people already prosecuted for lying about crimes, but this whole idea seems rather sexist. How often do women really lie about being raped? (I doubt there's many.) And why are we bringing in the Mattress Girl from Columbia? As far as I've read, what she has said about her rapist is the truth.

- Head of Sulmania

Wrong, both the school and NYPD have determined no rape had occurred. She made an art project of accusing the kid she claimed raped her, she should be prosecuted.

[Fartsniffage]

I don't.....I don't even know what it is. It was a genuine question...

http://knowyourix.org/title-ix/title-ix-the-basics/

It's been good and bad, in certain ways.

Ta.

[Hirota]

How often do women really lie about being raped? (I doubt there's many.)

http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/07/justice/uva-rape-article/

And why are we bringing in the Mattress Girl from Columbia? As far as I've read, what she has said about her rapist is the truth.

http://reason.com/blog/2015/04/24/student-accused-of-rape-by-mattress-girl

The two arguably most publicised recent accounts of rape in college have been firmly proven to be untrue. Given that supposedly an estimated one in five women has been sexually assaulted during her college years (comparable to the rate in war-torn regions of Africa), I would expect a high profile rape allegation to have appeared in the national press and to have been shown to be true.

[Fartsniffage]

http://knowyourix.org/title-ix/title-ix-the-basics/

It's been good and bad, in certain ways.

I really don't think rape, aside from as an educational issue, belongs in schools at all. Rape is a very serious crime and should be treated from the get go as a criminal matter.

I don't know. The court system currently provides no remedy from a rape victim being in the presence of their rapist at lower than a beyond reasonable doubt burden of evidence. I'm pretty okay with schools using a preponderance of evidence burden to deal with expulsions, but I would like to see some regulation on how it's done.

After all, I don't think that anyone here would have an issue with a business firing someone they believed to be guilty of sexual misconduct towards another employee so I don't see why the same standards can't be used by universities.

[The Wolven League]

I do agree; it can ruin someone's reputation. Reminds me of a very good, sad book about a dog...hmmm...damn, I can't remember the title. Oh yes!- The Art of Racing in the Rain. Anyhow, the dog's owner gets falsely accused of raping a minor, during a time when he is already losing a legal battle for custody of his daughter.

[Ethel mermania]

I really don't think rape, aside from as an educational issue, belongs in schools at all. Rape is a very serious crime and should be treated from the get go as a criminal matter.

I don't know. The court system currently provides no remedy from a rape victim being in the presence of their rapist at lower than a beyond reasonable doubt burden of evidence. I'm pretty okay with schools using a preponderance of evidence burden to deal with expulsions, but I would like to see some regulation on how it's done.

After all, I don't think that anyone here would have an issue with a business firing someone they believed to be guilty of sexual misconduct towards another employee so I don't see why the same standards can't be used by universities.

Colleges are not set up to determine guilt or innocence, they have no idea how to conduct a through fair and impartial rape investigation. If there is enough evidence for preponderence of evidence there certainly is enough evidence to at least bring the case to a criminal trial.

Also if someone is raped, I don't like the notion of it being treating as anything less than a mqjor crime, not taking a rape to the police leaves a rapist running around the campus unpunished. I have a problem with unpunished rapists.

[Fartsniffage]

I don't know. The court system currently provides no remedy from a rape victim being in the presence of their rapist at lower than a beyond reasonable doubt burden of evidence. I'm pretty okay with schools using a preponderance of evidence burden to deal with expulsions, but I would like to see some regulation on how it's done.

After all, I don't think that anyone here would have an issue with a business firing someone they believed to be guilty of sexual misconduct towards another employee so I don't see why the same standards can't be used by universities.

Colleges are not set up to determine guilt or innocence, they have no idea how to conduct a through fair and impartial rape investigation. If there is enough evidence for preponderence of evidence there certainly is enough evidence to at least bring the case to a criminal trial.

Also if someone is raped, I don't like the notion of it being treating as anything less than a mqjor crime, not taking a rape to the police leaves a rapist running around the campus unpunished. I have a problem with unpunished rapists.

Neither are businesses. But I don't see anyone calling for them to not be able to terminate employees based on sexual harassment, or worse, allegations.

[Bigzoland]

Just wanted to point out (as others did already) that not only are people already prosecuted for lying about crimes, but this whole idea seems rather sexist. How often do women really lie about being raped? (I doubt there's many.) And why are we bringing in the Mattress Girl from Columbia? As far as I've read, what she has said about her rapist is the truth.

- Head of Sulmania

You haven't been reading much into it then.

I suggest you read the complaint that Nussenger's lawyers have towards the university.

Furthermore, Nussenger was cleared under Columbia's tribunal--which only requires a preponderance of evidence to get one kicked out of school.

The fact that Sulkowitch decided to carry her "art project" in her recent graduation, against university guidelines, speakes volumes as well.

As far as i'm concerned, Nussenger was a player and Sulkowitch was a vengeful bitch, not a victim of rape.

[Bigzoland]

I really don't think rape, aside from as an educational issue, belongs in schools at all. Rape is a very serious crime and should be treated from the get go as a criminal matter.

I don't know. The court system currently provides no remedy from a rape victim being in the presence of their rapist at lower than a beyond reasonable doubt burden of evidence. I'm pretty okay with schools using a preponderance of evidence burden to deal with expulsions, but I would like to see some regulation on how it's done.

After all, I don't think that anyone here would have an issue with a business firing someone they believed to be guilty of sexual misconduct towards another employee so I don't see why the same standards can't be used by universities.

The only issue I have with it is the ramifications that follow. Something like that stays on your academic record, making it harder to pursue a education almost anywhere.

Given that the U.S is transitioning into a "knowledge economy" a preponderance of evidence can fuck up someone's labor-market prospects.

[Steamtopia]

Exactly.
That's why I think rape laws should be redone: the accuser should have to prove the victim has freely gived her consent.
There's a good side even for the false accused: if the he proves she gived her consent, then she's automatically a liar, and she will be punished.
By this way far more (maybe even almost all) rapists would be jailed and ALL the falsely accuseds would have the justice they deserve. It would be a better system for all people.

It seems to me that if someone accused me of raping them, and I could not prove that they had freely consented, then logically I could accuse them of raping me and they would equally not be able to prove that I had freely consented. So...first to the cop shop wins?

Is she going to answer this or not?

[Bigzoland]

Disregarding the fact that, as others have pointed out, you can already be prosecuted for falsely accusing someone of a crime... am I the only one who finds it a bit annoying that the OP didn't ask if people in general should be prosecuted for false rape accusations, but rather specifically women who claim to have been raped by men?

One appears to be far more common than the other.

[Bigzoland]

Rape is already a fucking hard crime to prove already, not every rapist gets jailed. It will only deter women from reporting it in fear of being punished if the court of law sides with the rapists. Fucking disgusting idea OP.

Exactly.
That's why I think rape laws should be redone: the accuser should have to prove the victim has freely gived her consent.
There's a good side even for the false accused: if the he proves she gived her consent, then she's automatically a liar, and she will be punished.
By this way far more (maybe even almost all) rapists would be jailed and ALL the falsely accuseds would have the justice they deserve. It would be a better system for all people.

Bad definition, as rape can occur even with consent.

Consent definition is still troubled, due inherent unbalance of power in many situations. When a severe unbalancement of power exists, true consent cannot exist.

That's not how the burden of proof works.

[Liriena]

Disregarding the fact that, as others have pointed out, you can already be prosecuted for falsely accusing someone of a crime... am I the only one who finds it a bit annoying that the OP didn't ask if people in general should be prosecuted for false rape accusations, but rather specifically women who claim to have been raped by men?

One appears to be far more common than the other.

Or far more visible.

[Ethel mermania]

Colleges are not set up to determine guilt or innocence, they have no idea how to conduct a through fair and impartial rape investigation. If there is enough evidence for preponderence of evidence there certainly is enough evidence to at least bring the case to a criminal trial.

Also if someone is raped, I don't like the notion of it being treating as anything less than a mqjor crime, not taking a rape to the police leaves a rapist running around the campus unpunished. I have a problem with unpunished rapists.

Neither are businesses. But I don't see anyone calling for them to not be able to terminate employees based on sexual harassment, or worse, allegations.

Depends on the business, union employees generally have protections again st immediate termination. At will employees of course do not.

[Bigzoland]

One appears to be far more common than the other.

Or far more visible.

Which is almost akin to saying "unicorns exist, you just can't see them silly"

[Liriena]

Or far more visible.

Which is almost akin to saying "unicorns exist, you just can't see them silly"

Male-on-female rape is grossly underreported as it is, and it's the one that gets the most visibility.

[Steamtopia]

Which is almost akin to saying "unicorns exist, you just can't see them silly"

Male-on-female rape is grossly underreported as it is, and it's the one that gets the most visibility.

While female-on-male rape is grossly under-reported and gets zero visibility.

[Bigzoland]

Male-on-female rape is grossly underreported as it is, and it's the one that gets the most visibility.

While female-on-male rape is grossly under-reported and gets zero visibility.

Considering that the legal defintion of rape didn't include female on male rape until recently, the ones that did get reported got downplayed to a crime of less severity.

Not that it matters, when women are convicted of the same crime, they get far more lenient sentences.

[Steamtopia]

While female-on-male rape is grossly under-reported and gets zero visibility.

Considering that the legal defintion of rape didn't include female on male rape until recently, the ones that did get reported got downplayed to a crime of less severity.

Not that it matters, when women are convicted of the same crime, they get far more lenient sentences.

i wonder if female on female rape is considered rape by the legal system. It is, right?

[Galloism]

Considering that the legal defintion of rape didn't include female on male rape until recently, the ones that did get reported got downplayed to a crime of less severity.

Not that it matters, when women are convicted of the same crime, they get far more lenient sentences.

i wonder if female on female rape is considered rape by the legal system. It is, right?

Uh... depends. If the victim is penetrated yes, if the victim is forced to give/receive cunningulus, generally no.