Europe's Problem With Islam

[The Empire of Pretantia]

You didn't specify armies. Don't move the goalposts.

Oh please, you know damn well you can't find near the amount of deaths as a result of violent christianity as islam in the modern world.

Irrelevant, since you disregard that most Muslims aren't violent.

Also our fault.

[Steamtopia]

No response?

cause you knew what i was trying to say, i thought it was obvious but you wanted to "get REAL technical"

Do you judge religions by the prophets who followed the religion, or the ones the religion considers to be a prophet?

[North Calaveras]

army of the lord is a joke

That's your biggest point? Nothing about socio-economics, the Cold War, imperialism or the madness after 1945? A'right then...

A joke that is responsible for the kidnapping of 9000 children between 2002 and 2003, I will remind you. Not so much of a joke, is it? At least, not a good one.

there a joke compared to islamic organizations

if someone could show me a christian army that's rampaging around with even half of what ISIS has, please by all means tell me which one, not to mention we have boko haram, the taliban, hamas, hezohballah the list goes ON AND ON AND ON.

[North Calaveras]

Oh please, you know damn well you can't find near the amount of deaths as a result of violent christianity as islam in the modern world.

Irrelevant, since you disregard that most Muslims aren't violent.

Also our fault.

no it's the "moderate muslims" fault.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

That's your biggest point? Nothing about socio-economics, the Cold War, imperialism or the madness after 1945? A'right then...

A joke that is responsible for the kidnapping of 9000 children between 2002 and 2003, I will remind you. Not so much of a joke, is it? At least, not a good one.

there a joke compared to islamic organizations

if someone could show me a christian army that's rampaging around with even half of what ISIS has, please by all means tell me which one, not to mention we have boko haram, the taliban, hamas, hezohballah the list goes ON AND ON AND ON.

Oh, yes. Again, because Europe is stable, and Africa and the Middle East have been destabilised, by accident, by European powers. I don't deny that Islamic terrorism is a big deal. It's just not because of Islam.

[North Calaveras]

there a joke compared to islamic organizations

if someone could show me a christian army that's rampaging around with even half of what ISIS has, please by all means tell me which one, not to mention we have boko haram, the taliban, hamas, hezohballah the list goes ON AND ON AND ON.

Oh, yes. Again, because Europe is stable, and Africa and the Middle East have been destabilised, by accident, by European powers. I don't deny that Islamic terrorism is a big deal. It's just not because of Islam.

okay, Nazism in europe wasn't because it was nazism, communist terrorism in the cold war wasn't because of communism either then i suppose.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Irrelevant, since you disregard that most Muslims aren't violent.

Also our fault.

no it's the "moderate muslims" fault.

No, it's our fault too.

[North Calaveras]

no it's the "moderate muslims" fault.

No, it's our fault too.

who the hell is "our" or "we"

[The Empire of Pretantia]

No, it's our fault too.

who the hell is "our" or "we"

The west, but most prominently the US.

[North Calaveras]

who the hell is "our" or "we"

The west, but most prominently the US.

oh so it's okay to say " It's the west's fault" blanketing an entire civilzation with guilt but for the middle east it's " Oh it's just the leaders misleading people"

nice double standard...

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Oh, yes. Again, because Europe is stable, and Africa and the Middle East have been destabilised, by accident, by European powers. I don't deny that Islamic terrorism is a big deal. It's just not because of Islam.

okay, Nazism in europe wasn't because it was nazism, communist terrorism in the cold war wasn't because of communism either then i suppose.

Exactly, you're getting the point. Naziism was caused by economic downfall caused by the Versailles treaty and the collapse of global economy. The rise of communism was caused by disenfranchisement of the poor in Russia and elsewhere. Or would you say that the US supporting of fascist regimes in Middle America during the cold war is because of their capitalistic system?

It's no use punishing people because they are Nazi's or because they are communists. People are responsible for their own actions, and only their own actions. Do I agree with Nazi's, Communists, Christians, Jews, Muslims? No, certainly not. But that does not mean those groups deserve different treatment. People who commit atrocities should be punished. Not the members of a certain group.

[North Calaveras]

okay, Nazism in europe wasn't because it was nazism, communist terrorism in the cold war wasn't because of communism either then i suppose.

Exactly, you're getting the point. Naziism was caused by economic downfall caused by the Versailles treaty and the collapse of global economy. The rise of communism was caused by disenfranchisement of the poor in Russia and elsewhere. Or would you say that the US supporting of fascist regimes in Middle America during the cold war is because of their capitalistic system?

It's no use punishing people because they are Nazi's or because they are communists. People are responsible for their own actions, and only their own actions. Do I agree with Nazi's, Communists, Christians, Jews, Muslims? No, certainly not. But that does not mean those groups deserve different treatment. People who commit atrocities should be punished. Not the members of a certain group.

then instead of blaming "the west" we need to blame politicians and hold them accountable, and that means BOTH sides not just the "evil west being bullies" but the horrific governments of the middle east.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Exactly, you're getting the point. Naziism was caused by economic downfall caused by the Versailles treaty and the collapse of global economy. The rise of communism was caused by disenfranchisement of the poor in Russia and elsewhere. Or would you say that the US supporting of fascist regimes in Middle America during the cold war is because of their capitalistic system?

It's no use punishing people because they are Nazi's or because they are communists. People are responsible for their own actions, and only their own actions. Do I agree with Nazi's, Communists, Christians, Jews, Muslims? No, certainly not. But that does not mean those groups deserve different treatment. People who commit atrocities should be punished. Not the members of a certain group.

then instead of blaming "the west" we need to blame politicians and hold them accountable, and that means BOTH sides not just the "evil west being bullies" but the horrific governments of the middle east.

I think we need to blame the west, at least the politicians leading the west at the time. They're all dead and gone now, but yes, there should be some accountability. And horrific governments in the Middle East deserve punishment too, especially the most brutal leaders. Iran needs to be free from the Ayatollah, Bashar Al-Assad needs to go. Putting the blame on Islam itself isn't going to help anyone.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

The west, but most prominently the US.

oh so it's okay to say " It's the west's fault" blanketing an entire civilzation with guilt but for the middle east it's " Oh it's just the leaders misleading people"

nice double standard...

Of course, I could say,"The intelligence and espionage services of the western nations' fault," but that's not as succinct, and you seem insistent on saying it's all of Islam's fault instead of,"Several extremist groups of Islamic terrorists' fault."

We're both not being specific enough, is what I'm saying.

[North Calaveras]

then instead of blaming "the west" we need to blame politicians and hold them accountable, and that means BOTH sides not just the "evil west being bullies" but the horrific governments of the middle east.

I think we need to blame the west, at least the politicians leading the west at the time. They're all dead and gone now, but yes, there should be some accountability. And horrific governments in the Middle East deserve punishment too, especially the most brutal leaders. Iran needs to be free from the Ayatollah, Bashar Al-Assad needs to go. Putting the blame on Islam itself isn't going to help anyone.

no blaming the west PERIOD blame the politicians and government? sure but blaming the west hell no.

[North Calaveras]

oh so it's okay to say " It's the west's fault" blanketing an entire civilzation with guilt but for the middle east it's " Oh it's just the leaders misleading people"

nice double standard...

Of course, I could say,"The intelligence and espionage services of the western nations' fault," but that's not as succinct, and you seem insistent on saying it's all of Islam's fault instead of,"Several extremist groups of Islamic terrorists' fault."

We're both not being specific enough, is what I'm saying.

I believe that Islam is at it's core violent yes, while christianity at it's core isn't.

both can be manipulated for violence, but Islam has a far more nasty tendency to cause it.

[New Reutlingen]

tell me where the large, well supported armies of Christians there are marauding in europe, latin america and the middle east?

Please name another religous group with as many violent followers.

The crusades all 9 of them were pretty bloody. The Spanish Inquisition were quite bloody also. But because of the countless years of fighting over religion, thankfully Europe realised that fighting your neighbor because he's a Catholic isn't beneficial for anyone. I can't say the same for all the disturbance in the Middle-East however.

Spanish Inquisition? Christian Crusades?

Sorry, I forgot we were still in the 1000's.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Of course, I could say,"The intelligence and espionage services of the western nations' fault," but that's not as succinct, and you seem insistent on saying it's all of Islam's fault instead of,"Several extremist groups of Islamic terrorists' fault."

We're both not being specific enough, is what I'm saying.

I believe that Islam is at it's core violent yes, while christianity at it's core isn't.

both can be manipulated for violence, but Islam has a far more nasty tendency to cause it.

And that's your problem.

[North Calaveras]

I believe that Islam is at it's core violent yes, while christianity at it's core isn't.

both can be manipulated for violence, but Islam has a far more nasty tendency to cause it.

And that's your problem.

I don't see my belief as a problem.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

I think we need to blame the west, at least the politicians leading the west at the time. They're all dead and gone now, but yes, there should be some accountability. And horrific governments in the Middle East deserve punishment too, especially the most brutal leaders. Iran needs to be free from the Ayatollah, Bashar Al-Assad needs to go. Putting the blame on Islam itself isn't going to help anyone.

no blaming the west PERIOD blame the politicians and government? sure but blaming the west hell no.

That's what I said. Literally what I said. I would not blame 'the west' for a moment. It's a blanket term I used to make clear what I meant. We cannot even blame 'the west'. It's a group too diverse to make any conclusions on. When I use 'The West' in a historical context, I mean the empires and governments that were prevalent in the west until the 1950's.

[North Calaveras]

no blaming the west PERIOD blame the politicians and government? sure but blaming the west hell no.

That's what I said. Literally what I said. I would not blame 'the west' for a moment. It's a blanket term I used to make clear what I meant. We cannot even blame 'the west'. It's a group too diverse to make any conclusions on. When I use 'The West' in a historical context, I mean the empires and governments that were prevalent in the west until the 1950's.

So is it not okay for me to say " The middle east" when referring to there horrific regime and shariah influences?

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Of course, I could say,"The intelligence and espionage services of the western nations' fault," but that's not as succinct, and you seem insistent on saying it's all of Islam's fault instead of,"Several extremist groups of Islamic terrorists' fault."

We're both not being specific enough, is what I'm saying.

I believe that Islam is at it's core violent yes, while christianity at it's core isn't.

both can be manipulated for violence, but Islam has a far more nasty tendency to cause it.

I've explained you time and time again why there are more Islamic terrorists. Until you have a good reason to argue against my points, stop pulling this moot point from the dark abyss.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

And that's your problem.

I don't see my belief as a problem.

No shit.

[New Werpland]

no blaming the west PERIOD blame the politicians and government? sure but blaming the west hell no.

That's what I said. Literally what I said. I would not blame 'the west' for a moment. It's a blanket term I used to make clear what I meant. We cannot even blame 'the west'. It's a group too diverse to make any conclusions on. When I use 'The West' in a historical context, I mean the empires and governments that were prevalent in the west until the 1950's.

You couldn't be more wrong.

[North Calaveras]

I believe that Islam is at it's core violent yes, while christianity at it's core isn't.

both can be manipulated for violence, but Islam has a far more nasty tendency to cause it.

I've explained you time and time again why there are more Islamic terrorists. Until you have a good reason to argue against my points, stop pulling this moot point from the dark abyss.

You keep blaming the west but where are your crys against the "Vast majority of moderate muslims" that let these groups exist? They certainly have ample strength to remove them if they wanted to.