Europe's Problem With Islam

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Pagan faiths in Europe aren't here either, and not because they peacefully came to Islam.

agreed, Christianity was responsible for that.

Islams birth was a DIRECT result of warfare committed by it's followers.

And what of the pagan faiths of Europe? The native faiths in the Americas? Those all peacefully came to Christianity am I right?

already adressed this above.

[Citation needed]

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

It isn't the falling from a plane that gets you, really. It's hitting the ground.

technically true.

So, kicking Iraq out of the aeroplane technically isn't murder, is it?

What, 'Thou shalt not kill' not anti-war enough for you?

No religion is inherently violent. A religion is an idea. A mindset. Those things are not inherently violent. People still have a choice, as shown by the hundreds upon thousands upon millions of peaceful Christians, Jews and Muslims around. Clearly, religion isn't as violent as you are led to believe. I haven't seen my Muslim friend from highschool take a scimitar to my atheistic skull yet. I haven't seen my Catholic teacher take a broadsword to school yet to lob my atheistic head from my shoulders. At my university, there are Jews, Christians and Muslims alike, one more peaceful than the next. So, no. Religion is not inherently violent.

relgion/ideology is definatley inherently violent

marxism literally advocates violent overthrow(i used to be a communist and it's literally in the manifesto.

I guess NAZISM is not inherently violent by your definition.

Well, alright, there are certain ideas with violent aspects to them. Naziism, the proponent of the destruction of lesser races, certainly is violent, and should be opposed. Yet, most strains of most religions aren't violent. Many Christians don't live by the most extreme verses of the bible. As do most Muslims. Is communism still violent if they planned peaceful overthrow of capitalism instead of a violent overthrow? If Naziism proposed gradual out-breeding instead of slaughter? Then, those ideas would cease to be violent.

[North Calaveras]

agreed, Christianity was responsible for that.

Islams birth was a DIRECT result of warfare committed by it's followers.

already adressed this above.

[Citation needed]

really dude...okay fine if were going to go there.

Battle of Hunayn

Occupation of Mecca

Siege of Ta'if

not to mention those that came after muhammed...

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

[Citation needed]

really dude...okay fine if were going to go there.

Battle of Hunayn

Occupation of Mecca

Siege of Ta'if

not to mention those that came after muhammed...

Ever heard of the Saxon wars?

[North Calaveras]

really dude...okay fine if were going to go there.

Battle of Hunayn

Occupation of Mecca

Siege of Ta'if

not to mention those that came after muhammed...

Ever heard of the Saxon wars?

were the saxon wars vital to the birth of christianity?

[The Empire of Pretantia]

[Citation needed]

really dude...okay fine if were going to go there.

Battle of Hunayn

Occupation of Mecca

Siege of Ta'if

not to mention those that came after muhammed...

This does not condemn Islam, nor does it make Islam bloodthirsty.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Ever heard of the Saxon wars?

were the saxon wars vital to the birth of christianity?

Certainly not. neither were the occupation of Mecca and the siege of Ta'if to Islam. They helped initial spread. Would it be strange to call Judaism violent because it has a foundation in constant murder and bloodshed? Or to call Christianity violent because it started with a whole lot of executions?

[North Calaveras]

were the saxon wars vital to the birth of christianity?

Certainly not. neither were the occupation of Mecca and the siege of Ta'if to Islam. They helped initial spread. Would it be strange to call Judaism violent because it has a foundation in constant murder and bloodshed? Or to call Christianity violent because it started with a whole lot of executions?

ah but there is the differen't

Christianity wasn't at war with those around it, they were persecuted

I don't know to much about Judaism history so I won't comment

Many battles were PERSONALLY LEAD BY MUHAMMED

tell me when Jesus led an assault on those who would disbelieve in christianity?

I judge religions by their prophets(Like any sane person should because the prophet represents the purest form of that religion)

Jesus was a peaceful guy for the most part

Muhammed was a conqueror

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Certainly not. neither were the occupation of Mecca and the siege of Ta'if to Islam. They helped initial spread. Would it be strange to call Judaism violent because it has a foundation in constant murder and bloodshed? Or to call Christianity violent because it started with a whole lot of executions?

ah but there is the differen't

Christianity wasn't at war with those around it, they were persecuted

I don't know to much about Judaism history so I won't comment

Many battles were PERSONALLY LEAD BY MUHAMMED

tell me when Jesus led an assault on those who would disbelieve in christianity?

I judge religions by their prophets(Like any sane person should because the prophet represents the purest form of that religion)

Jesus was a peaceful guy for the most part

Muhammed was a conqueror

Jesus was a prophet of Islam too.

Conquest was a standard fare back then.

Judaism makes the Muslim conquests look like the civil rights movement.

[Steamtopia]

Certainly not. neither were the occupation of Mecca and the siege of Ta'if to Islam. They helped initial spread. Would it be strange to call Judaism violent because it has a foundation in constant murder and bloodshed? Or to call Christianity violent because it started with a whole lot of executions?

ah but there is the differen't

Christianity wasn't at war with those around it, they were persecuted

I don't know to much about Judaism history so I won't comment

Many battles were PERSONALLY LEAD BY MUHAMMED

tell me when Jesus led an assault on those who would disbelieve in christianity?

I judge religions by their prophets(Like any sane person should because the prophet represents the purest form of that religion)

Jesus was a peaceful guy for the most part

Muhammed was a conqueror

Jesus was a Jew, not a Christian.

[North Calaveras]

ah but there is the differen't

Christianity wasn't at war with those around it, they were persecuted

I don't know to much about Judaism history so I won't comment

Many battles were PERSONALLY LEAD BY MUHAMMED

tell me when Jesus led an assault on those who would disbelieve in christianity?

I judge religions by their prophets(Like any sane person should because the prophet represents the purest form of that religion)

Jesus was a peaceful guy for the most part

Muhammed was a conqueror

Jesus was a prophet of Islam too.

Conquest was a standard fare back then.

if it was standard fare back then lets move on to the modern era where Islam is still trying to conquere those around it as an ideology

well leave the past in the past then, for both christians and muslims

tell me where the large, well supported armies of Christians there are marauding in europe, latin america and the middle east?

Please name another religous group with as many violent followers.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Certainly not. neither were the occupation of Mecca and the siege of Ta'if to Islam. They helped initial spread. Would it be strange to call Judaism violent because it has a foundation in constant murder and bloodshed? Or to call Christianity violent because it started with a whole lot of executions?

ah but there is the differen't

Christianity wasn't at war with those around it, they were persecuted

I don't know to much about Judaism history so I won't comment

Many battles were PERSONALLY LEAD BY MUHAMMED

tell me when Jesus led an assault on those who would disbelieve in christianity?

I judge religions by their prophets(Like any sane person should because the prophet represents the purest form of that religion)

Jesus was a peaceful guy for the most part

Muhammed was a conqueror

Don't... judge religions by their prophets... To most people, that image doesn't hold true any more. Most people don't try to be like Muhammed. Those people are dead, and the religion has taken on a life on their own. To judge a religion by a prophet is the same thing as criticising the US TODAY because George Washington held slaves. Or to criticise Cuba because it was a nation born from slaughtering natives. Or to judge Germany because she was born from the Franco-Prussian war. Religions have changed.

Islam was a state right from her first inception. Christianity was a persecuted group. From the moment Christianity got a state (the Byzantine Empire), she has been as violent as Islam. Christians just got the chance later. Really, that Muhammad was a war leader really doesn't change much about Islam.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Jesus was a prophet of Islam too.

Conquest was a standard fare back then.

if it was standard fare back then lets move on to the modern era where Islam is still trying to conquere those around it as an ideology

Our fault.

Please name another religous group with as many violent followers.

Christianity.

[North Calaveras]

ah but there is the differen't

Christianity wasn't at war with those around it, they were persecuted

I don't know to much about Judaism history so I won't comment

Many battles were PERSONALLY LEAD BY MUHAMMED

tell me when Jesus led an assault on those who would disbelieve in christianity?

I judge religions by their prophets(Like any sane person should because the prophet represents the purest form of that religion)

Jesus was a peaceful guy for the most part

Muhammed was a conqueror

Don't... judge religions by their prophets... To most people, that image doesn't hold true any more. Most people don't try to be like Muhammed. Those people are dead, and the religion has taken on a life on their own. To judge a religion by a prophet is the same thing as criticising the US TODAY because George Washington held slaves. Or to criticise Cuba because it was a nation born from slaughtering natives. Or to judge Germany because she was born from the Franco-Prussian war. Religions have changed.

Islam was a state right from her first inception. Christianity was a persecuted group. From the moment Christianity got a state (the Byzantine Empire), she has been as violent as Islam. Christians just got the chance later. Really, that Muhammad was a war leader really doesn't change much about Islam.

No christianity has NOT been as violent as islam, there was a time when both were violent, but there are no more christian crusades, there are no more dark ages or any of this because Christianity "grew up"

Islam still keeps a lot of it's people down. They know damn well what the rest of the world offers yet many refuse to move on with the times, I don't know of anyone who wants to go to syria, iraq, palestine(well one gay guy who is a hypocrite and supports them), saudi arabia etc etc

many of these nations have some form of shariah in place or at least have constitutions with shariah influence.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Don't... judge religions by their prophets... To most people, that image doesn't hold true any more. Most people don't try to be like Muhammed. Those people are dead, and the religion has taken on a life on their own. To judge a religion by a prophet is the same thing as criticising the US TODAY because George Washington held slaves. Or to criticise Cuba because it was a nation born from slaughtering natives. Or to judge Germany because she was born from the Franco-Prussian war. Religions have changed.

Islam was a state right from her first inception. Christianity was a persecuted group. From the moment Christianity got a state (the Byzantine Empire), she has been as violent as Islam. Christians just got the chance later. Really, that Muhammad was a war leader really doesn't change much about Islam.

No christianity has NOT been as violent as islam, there was a time when both were violent, but there are no more christian crusades, there are no more dark ages or any of this because Christianity "grew up"

Islam still keeps a lot of it's people down. They know damn well what the rest of the world offers yet many refuse to move on with the times, I don't know of anyone who wants to go to syria, iraq, palestine(well one gay guy who is a hypocrite and supports them), saudi arabia etc etc

many of these nations have some form of shariah in place or at least have constitutions with shariah influence.

Our fault.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Jesus was a prophet of Islam too.

Conquest was a standard fare back then.

if it was standard fare back then lets move on to the modern era where Islam is still trying to conquere those around it as an ideology

well leave the past in the past then, for both christians and muslims

tell me where the large, well supported armies of Christians there are marauding in europe, latin america and the middle east?

Please name another religous group with as many violent followers.

What, the Army of the Lord? Those guys are brutal maniacs. Christians, too. Enslave large armies of children to fight for them. Plant bombs, murder villages... All in the name of Christ. O jolly.

The fact is, religion doesn't make Muslims violent. Really, those people in IS say they fight for Islam, but really, they fight because of their condition. Disenfranchised youths, with questionable futures, are drawn to these violent groups. They are born from problems in their home countries, problems which are, in themselves, born from outside interference. Iran was absolutely fine until the US installed the Sjah. In turn, it was the new Iranian government that forced Iraq into a brutal dictatorship. Not giving the Kurds their own country in 1945 was another problem. Invading Iraq in the way we did? A total disaster. Economic and social downfall is what causes terrorism, not religion. And the West has caused the downfall.

[North Calaveras]

if it was standard fare back then lets move on to the modern era where Islam is still trying to conquere those around it as an ideology

Our fault.

Please name another religous group with as many violent followers.

Christianity.

bullshit, please name a single christian terrorist army that even compares to ISIS(not to mention the hordes of other islamic organizations)

[North Calaveras]

if it was standard fare back then lets move on to the modern era where Islam is still trying to conquere those around it as an ideology

well leave the past in the past then, for both christians and muslims

tell me where the large, well supported armies of Christians there are marauding in europe, latin america and the middle east?

Please name another religous group with as many violent followers.

What, the Army of the Lord? Those guys are brutal maniacs. Christians, too. Enslave large armies of children to fight for them. Plant bombs, murder villages... All in the name of Christ. O jolly.

The fact is, religion doesn't make Muslims violent. Really, those people in IS say they fight for Islam, but really, they fight because of their condition. Disenfranchised youths, with questionable futures, are drawn to these violent groups. They are born from problems in their home countries, problems which are, in themselves, born from outside interference. Iran was absolutely fine until the US installed the Sjah. In turn, it was the new Iranian government that forced Iraq into a brutal dictatorship. Not giving the Kurds their own country in 1945 was another problem. Invading Iraq in the way we did? A total disaster. Economic and social downfall is what causes terrorism, not religion. And the West has caused the downfall.

army of the lord is a joke

[The Conez Imperium]

tell me where the large, well supported armies of Christians there are marauding in europe, latin america and the middle east?

Please name another religous group with as many violent followers.

The crusades all 9 of them were pretty bloody. The Spanish Inquisition were quite bloody also. But because of the countless years of fighting over religion, thankfully Europe realised that fighting your neighbor because he's a Catholic isn't beneficial for anyone. I can't say the same for all the disturbance in the Middle-East however.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Our fault.

Christianity.

bullshit, please name a single christian terrorist army that even compares to ISIS(not to mention the hordes of other islamic organizations)

You didn't specify armies. Don't move the goalposts.

[Steamtopia]

ah but there is the differen't

Christianity wasn't at war with those around it, they were persecuted

I don't know to much about Judaism history so I won't comment

Many battles were PERSONALLY LEAD BY MUHAMMED

tell me when Jesus led an assault on those who would disbelieve in christianity?

I judge religions by their prophets(Like any sane person should because the prophet represents the purest form of that religion)

Jesus was a peaceful guy for the most part

Muhammed was a conqueror

Jesus was a Jew, not a Christian.

No response?

[North Calaveras]

bullshit, please name a single christian terrorist army that even compares to ISIS(not to mention the hordes of other islamic organizations)

You didn't specify armies. Don't move the goalposts.

Oh please, you know damn well you can't find near the amount of deaths as a result of violent christianity as islam in the modern world.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

Jesus was a Jew, not a Christian.

No response?

Nope. He's also not a prophet unless we're talking about Islam.

[North Calaveras]

Jesus was a Jew, not a Christian.

No response?

cause you knew what i was trying to say, i thought it was obvious but you wanted to "get REAL technical"

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

What, the Army of the Lord? Those guys are brutal maniacs. Christians, too. Enslave large armies of children to fight for them. Plant bombs, murder villages... All in the name of Christ. O jolly.

The fact is, religion doesn't make Muslims violent. Really, those people in IS say they fight for Islam, but really, they fight because of their condition. Disenfranchised youths, with questionable futures, are drawn to these violent groups. They are born from problems in their home countries, problems which are, in themselves, born from outside interference. Iran was absolutely fine until the US installed the Sjah. In turn, it was the new Iranian government that forced Iraq into a brutal dictatorship. Not giving the Kurds their own country in 1945 was another problem. Invading Iraq in the way we did? A total disaster. Economic and social downfall is what causes terrorism, not religion. And the West has caused the downfall.

army of the lord is a joke

That's your biggest point? Nothing about socio-economics, the Cold War, imperialism or the madness after 1945? A'right then...

A joke that is responsible for the kidnapping of 9000 children between 2002 and 2003, I will remind you. Not so much of a joke, is it? At least, not a good one.