Biker gang shootout...

[The United Remnants of America]

Hopefully they're the criminals.

Define "criminals".

Whatever glorious leader says they are, of course.

*salutes while tear drop rolls down cheek with national anthem playing in background*

[New Skaaneland]

I kind of agree with that aswell. Balance is the key, although regardless of power structures there will always be people who suffer from it.

If one can just secede from the control of the authorities, or align with a non-authority power, it kind of makes the authorities and indeed the concept of territory and state arbitrary if not pointless, don't you think?

Not pointless, but more complex. Realistic I'd say.

[Greed and Death]

Got to break a few eggs to make an omelette, best we make the bikers above the law to protect freedom.

You representing sonny Barger again?

Hey bikers pay their legal fees unlike others.

[Napkiraly]

If one can just secede from the control of the authorities, or align with a non-authority power, it kind of makes the authorities and indeed the concept of territory and state arbitrary if not pointless, don't you think?

Not pointless, but more complex. Realistic I'd say.

No, not really. Considering all the negative impacts of criminal organisations upon society.

[New Skaaneland]

I think the word "criminal" is a blindfold in this case. We are discussing power.

[Napkiraly]

I think the word "criminal" is a blindfold in this case. We are discussing power.

And fuck people like the Bandidos, Hells Angels, Crips, Bloods etc from having power.

[Imperializt Russia]

If one can just secede from the control of the authorities, or align with a non-authority power, it kind of makes the authorities and indeed the concept of territory and state arbitrary if not pointless, don't you think?

Not pointless, but more complex. Realistic I'd say.

Complex yes.
Why "realistic"?

[Ifreann]

Hopefully they're the criminals.

Define "criminals".

People who commit or who have committed crimes.

Duh.

[New Skaaneland]

Like I said I believe in balance and it takes much force in many situations to balance out the government. Living with a gun against your head isn't better if you are completely defenseless.

[New Skaaneland]

Define "criminals".

People who commit or who have committed crimes.

Duh.

So basically everyone on planet earth?

[Imperializt Russia]

Like I said I believe in balance and it takes much force in many situations to balance out the government. Living with a gun against your head isn't better if you are completely defenseless.

Secession isn't balance.

[The United Remnants of America]

Like I said I believe in balance and it takes much force in many situations to balance out the government. Living with a gun against your head isn't better if you are completely defenseless.

You do understand what a government does and is supposed to do, right?

[New Skaaneland]

Yes, cease to exist.

[Valaran]

While I'm not affiliated with any gang I do think it's healthy to have a few organisations around with the potential to challenge the state. Although bikers can instill fear in some, it's actually a good thing for most people if the authorites aren't in complete control.

I'd rather not. The people can challenge the state if they wish. I'd rather not have armed groups who don't feel a need to follow laws doing so instead. In fact, thats what I'd expressly avoid.

[The United Remnants of America]

Yes, cease to exist.

Ahh. You're one of those anarachists.

[Valaran]

Yes, cease to exist.

Ahh. You're one of those anarachists.

I hear the new Mad Max film is good example of what happens without states

[New Skaaneland]

I'm a friend of human beings.

[Valaran]

I'm a friend of human beings.

Including ones that murder each other parking spaces?


They're still better than the police, right?

(even though the police are also human beings too)

[Dyakovo]

http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/crime/us-biker-shootout-192-face-charges/ar-BBjURcX?ocid=mailsignoutmd

So basically a whole bunch of biker gang thugs decided to shoot at each other in a crowded shopping centre with innocent civilians around.

I hope the surviving participants are never let out of prison. If we can't stamp out gang activity, the least we can do is give them some incentive to settle their feuds elsewhere.

So much for "an armed society is a polite society"...

[The United Remnants of America]

I'm a friend of human beings.

*shoots in the head and gets away with it*

Oh, so that's what no law and government feels like....

I enjoy it.

[Imperializt Russia]

I'm a friend of human beings.

The state is the provider of infrastructure.
With infrastructure, we get power, food and healthcare.

The state is your friend.

[Yuketobaniac]

Some biker thugs shot some other biker thugs. I am not crying.

kinda like arabs killing arabs, racism not intended

[Napkiraly]

I'm a friend of human beings.

Bullshit you are.

[New Skaaneland]

I'm a friend of human beings.

Including ones that murder each other parking spaces?


They're still better than the police, right?

(even though the police are also human beings too)

I am well aware that 1% bikers can be evil. What's wrong is saying that the government isn't and one evil can limit the excessive powers of another one. I am interested in creating and maintaining a better society for people to live in.

[Imperializt Russia]

Some biker thugs shot some other biker thugs. I am not crying.

kinda like arabs killing arabs, racism not intended

If the racism wasn't intended, why bother drawing the comparison? Your post had literally no other content or substance.
The implication in either case is clearly your implicit support because a group of people lost some of its number from internal violence.