Criticisms of Feminism

[Soldati Senza Confini]

That doesn't make your second quote from a poster right though.

I mean sure I've gotten dates with much older women and my saving grace have been my looks, but I've only gotten laid once is what I am saying. Being a nice guy or an asshole doesn't equate into whether or not you're going to get laid. That the basics are animalistic? Yea, okay, sure; but I don't think your guy/gal is expressing themselves right or know what they're talking about. I say that as someone who had to learn how to date.

The fundamentals of why women react this way about nice guys are on the mark in my opinion.

Well, it's not necessarily that women react this way about nice guys because of that.

It's because many of these so-called nice guys are also spineless fucks. By that I mean that their "niceness" is all about wanting to get laid, not a genuine nicety. Sure, being a decent person is a good thing, but trying too hard to impress is kind of missing the mark. If I really wanted a one-night stand for instance I'd be hitting the club on Friday and chatting up women, not trying to be super nice with them.

When women say "nice guys suck" that's what they mean. Nice guys are not a benchmark for "asshole" guys. We kinda know what we're doing: we're not being fucking doormats just for the sake of a nice fuck. We didn't need the "nice guys" to tell us that.

[Ostroeuropa]

The fundamentals of why women react this way about nice guys are on the mark in my opinion.

Well, it's not necessarily that women react this way about nice guys because of that.

It's because many of these so-called nice guys are also spineless fucks. By that I mean that their "niceness" is all about wanting to get laid, not a genuine nicety. Sure, being a decent person is a good thing, but trying too hard to impress is kind of missing the mark.

When women say "nice guys suck" that's what they mean. Nice guys are not a benchmark for "asshole" guys. We kinda know what we're doing: we're not being fucking doormats just for the sake of a nice fuck. We didn't need the "nice guys" to tell us that.

Can you prove the first part? Or is that just something you've assumed about them?
Could be their just nice and bemoaning women lying to their faces all their lives about how to get a girlfriend through shit like
"You're a nice guy, i'm sure you'll find somebody." and such, which betrays their actual mindset, and which shows why they flip out when you prove it's bullshit. You've challenged their self-image of being sexually righteous. (Something women have a historical issue with, same as the male ego.)
Challenging the notion that women are morally superior these days is equated with attacks on women. It's absurd.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

That doesn't make your second quote from a poster right though.

I mean sure I've gotten dates with much older women and my saving grace have been my looks, but I've only gotten laid once is what I am saying. Being a nice guy or an asshole doesn't equate into whether or not you're going to get laid. That the basics are animalistic? Yea, okay, sure; but I don't think your guy/gal is expressing themselves right or know what they're talking about. I say that as someone who had to learn how to date.

The fundamentals of why women react this way about nice guys are on the mark in my opinion. It's also a clear example of feminist mindsets causing womens bigotry to become equated with egalitarianism, purely because of womens feelz.
That's the result of gynocentricity.

It's not the only factor, but one of a few.

Yes, women seem to have this myth perpetuated about them that their sexual apetite is somehow based more on personality, and they assist in perpetuating this myth because it's flattering and nice to believe. Challenging this myth is perceived as an attack on women, rather than an attack on sexism, because of gynocentric mindsets that don't understand the difference.

It's a male complaining about it's life being hard. Kill it.

It's a male outing themselves as not being pre-selected, and thus repulsive.

It endangers womens privilege because if people start to understand this, they will stop being nicer to women than men as a default and women will have to actually earn it.

Well, see, when it comes to us guys we kinda have to understand one thing: You just don't try to overanalyze women. She doesn't like you? Well too bad, get over it, move on.

Many of these guys just sound like embittered people who got rejected. And personality is one of the factors many people actually get together or even go to bed on the first date.

[Ostroeuropa]

The fundamentals of why women react this way about nice guys are on the mark in my opinion. It's also a clear example of feminist mindsets causing womens bigotry to become equated with egalitarianism, purely because of womens feelz.
That's the result of gynocentricity.

It's not the only factor, but one of a few.

Well, see, when it comes to us guys we kinda have to understand one thing: You just don't try to overanalyze women. She doesn't like you? Well too bad, get over it, move on.

Many of these guys just sound like embittered people who got rejected. And personality is one of the factors many people actually get together or even go to bed on the first date.

Why not analyze women?
Are they immune to sociology or something? Does it just not work on them?
She doesn't like you? Too bad, get over it, move on.
I agree. That's how this should go down. Unfortunately, prior to that, they get primed with bullshit by the women who are either trying to spare feelings, or just too up themselves to admit it's a matter of sexual attraction.

So instead it's, she doesn't like me but insists my niceness will work on someone. There is no move on. After a while, many of them seem to realize this themselves purely through gathering enough data through examples.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Well, it's not necessarily that women react this way about nice guys because of that.

It's because many of these so-called nice guys are also spineless fucks. By that I mean that their "niceness" is all about wanting to get laid, not a genuine nicety. Sure, being a decent person is a good thing, but trying too hard to impress is kind of missing the mark.

When women say "nice guys suck" that's what they mean. Nice guys are not a benchmark for "asshole" guys. We kinda know what we're doing: we're not being fucking doormats just for the sake of a nice fuck. We didn't need the "nice guys" to tell us that.

Can you prove the first part? Or is that just something you've assumed about them?
Could be their just nice and bemoaning women lying to their faces all their lives about how to get a girlfriend through shit like
"You're a nice guy, i'm sure you'll find somebody." and such, which betrays their actual mindset, and which shows why they flip out when you prove it's bullshit. You've challenged their self-image of being sexually righteous. (Something women have a historical issue with, same as the male ego.)
Challenging the notion that women are morally superior these days is equated with attacks on women. It's absurd.

Talking to women helps. I've talked to women, they've told me this. Of course, this is all anecdote.

Now, some girls do dig "nice guys" because they are what they are looking for (there's a flavor for everyone), but not all women prefer that. Many women actually complain nice guys are hypocrites: if you are going to be nice just to fuck and then stop once they say "no" then why did you bother to be nice in the first place? If you are genuinely nice, a woman rejecting your advances shouldn't bother you.

I've been told many times I am nice and I'll get someone soon. I didn't understand why they were saying that but soon I got it: I was painting myself as the nice guy. Once I stopped that I haven't heard women go "oh you're a nice guy" except when they truly mean "oh you're a nice guy, and pretty attractive too; I am surprised you don't have a girlfriend" after they ask "why don't you have a girlfriend?" to which I just roll my eyes internally and just say some sort of polite bullshit line; if they are single though I use that to my advantage, but I don't say "I'm such a nice guy" anymore, I let them say that for me.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Well, see, when it comes to us guys we kinda have to understand one thing: You just don't try to overanalyze women. She doesn't like you? Well too bad, get over it, move on.

Many of these guys just sound like embittered people who got rejected. And personality is one of the factors many people actually get together or even go to bed on the first date.

Why not analyze women?
Are they immune to sociology or something? Does it just not work on them?
She doesn't like you? Too bad, get over it, move on.
I agree. That's how this should go down. Unfortunately, prior to that, they get primed with bullshit by the women who are either trying to spare feelings, or just too up themselves to admit it's a matter of sexual attraction.

So instead it's, she doesn't like me but insists my niceness will work on someone. There is no move on. After a while, many of them seem to realize this themselves purely through gathering enough data through examples.

Oh no, they are not immune to sociology.

But in the context of nice guys and dating, there's no point in doing that. You don't go and say "well it's their fault, fucking bitches" you just go "well, what am I doing wrong?" and you start talking with women and they usually will tell you why they don't like you, some won't tell you, some will just tell you "because I don't" or "because fuck you", but no man has ever successfully dated a woman without learning how to date women they like to begin with.

In other words being nice is not the issue, is that certain personalities are attracted to other personality sets. She might just not be that into your type of personality, even if you are a supermodel (or like me, who looks like one when I am fit).

[Ostroeuropa]

Can you prove the first part? Or is that just something you've assumed about them?
Could be their just nice and bemoaning women lying to their faces all their lives about how to get a girlfriend through shit like
"You're a nice guy, i'm sure you'll find somebody." and such, which betrays their actual mindset, and which shows why they flip out when you prove it's bullshit. You've challenged their self-image of being sexually righteous. (Something women have a historical issue with, same as the male ego.)
Challenging the notion that women are morally superior these days is equated with attacks on women. It's absurd.

Talking to women helps. I've talked to women, they've told me this. Of course, this is all anecdote.

Now, some girls do dig "nice guys" because they are what they are looking for (there's a flavor for everyone), but not all women prefer that. Many women actually complain nice guys are hypocrites: if you are going to be nice just to fuck and then stop once they say "no" then why did you bother to be nice in the first place? If you are genuinely nice, a woman rejecting your advances shouldn't bother you.

I've been told many times I am nice and I'll get someone soon. I didn't understand why they were saying that but soon I got it: I was painting myself as the nice guy. Once I stopped that I haven't heard women go "oh you're a nice guy" except when they truly mean "oh you're a nice guy, and pretty attractive too; I am surprised you don't have a girlfriend" after they ask "why don't you have a girlfriend?" to which I just roll my eyes internally and just say some sort of polite bullshit line; if they are single though I use that to my advantage, but I don't say "I'm such a nice guy" anymore, I let them say that for me.

You've talked to women and assumed they are both being honest or are actually aware of this problem the female gender tends to have with their hangups about sexual attraction.
Ofcourse a woman rejecting your advances should bother you. It's a rejection. It's emotionally upsetting. It shouldn't cause you to flip out or blame her though.
Yes, exactly. Women go around telling guys that being nice is enough. (What they MEAN is neither here nor there. You can't know what they mean except through what they say.) Then complain when guys tell them they're wrong, and apparently don't understand their own sex drive. (Or refuse to acknowledge it.)
Pointing this out to them is somehow sexism. Viewed in the context of womens general slut shaming of eachother, and the historical womens religious revival, I think it's pretty obvious what the problem is.

Women have issues with this idea that they are somehow purer and more righteous than men.
Men have issues thinking women are incompetent.
Thats not all men and not all women.
The thing is, the first sort of woman has found their way into the feminist movement. Which is perfect hunting ground for the righteous victimz and such.
And through feminism, womens sexism is forced on men.

Women are morally arrogant, and men are intellectually arrogant. as a general rule for those who've not confronted it about themselves.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Talking to women helps. I've talked to women, they've told me this. Of course, this is all anecdote.

Now, some girls do dig "nice guys" because they are what they are looking for (there's a flavor for everyone), but not all women prefer that. Many women actually complain nice guys are hypocrites: if you are going to be nice just to fuck and then stop once they say "no" then why did you bother to be nice in the first place? If you are genuinely nice, a woman rejecting your advances shouldn't bother you.

I've been told many times I am nice and I'll get someone soon. I didn't understand why they were saying that but soon I got it: I was painting myself as the nice guy. Once I stopped that I haven't heard women go "oh you're a nice guy" except when they truly mean "oh you're a nice guy, and pretty attractive too; I am surprised you don't have a girlfriend" after they ask "why don't you have a girlfriend?" to which I just roll my eyes internally and just say some sort of polite bullshit line; if they are single though I use that to my advantage, but I don't say "I'm such a nice guy" anymore, I let them say that for me.

You've talked to women and assumed they are both being honest or are actually aware of this problem the female gender tends to have with their hangups about sexual attraction.
Ofcourse a woman rejecting your advances should bother you. It's a rejection. It's emotionally upsetting. It shouldn't cause you to flip out or blame her though.
Yes, exactly. Women go around telling guys that being nice is enough. (What they MEAN is neither here nor there. You can't know what they mean except through what they say.) Then complain when guys tell them they're wrong, and apparently don't understand their own sex drive. (Or refuse to acknowledge it.)
Pointing this out to them is somehow sexism.

Why would I assume a woman is lying to me or that she is just ignorant about what they like and want in a partner?

It is emotionally upsetting, but taking rejection graciously helps you.

I've been rejected many times before and I still can talk to a woman after they say "no". Reason being I am not an asshole about rejection, I just keep talking with them like nothing happened. It's like "hey don't worry about it, I wasn't expecting much out of that anyways" (and is usually true, I've been rejected so many times that a "no" I've simply come to expect a "no" as an answer, but I ask anyways).

Well, it's not sexist, it's outright insulting though. It's as if you were to tell me I don't understand what I seek in a woman and that you know better. You don't even know me, how would you know what I like or not?

[Ostroeuropa]

You've talked to women and assumed they are both being honest or are actually aware of this problem the female gender tends to have with their hangups about sexual attraction.
Ofcourse a woman rejecting your advances should bother you. It's a rejection. It's emotionally upsetting. It shouldn't cause you to flip out or blame her though.
Yes, exactly. Women go around telling guys that being nice is enough. (What they MEAN is neither here nor there. You can't know what they mean except through what they say.) Then complain when guys tell them they're wrong, and apparently don't understand their own sex drive. (Or refuse to acknowledge it.)
Pointing this out to them is somehow sexism.

It is emotionally upsetting, but taking rejection graciously helps you.

I've been rejected many times before and I still can talk to a woman after they say "no". Reason being I am not an asshole about rejection, I just keep talking with them like nothing happened. It's like "hey don't worry about it, I wasn't expecting much out of that anyways" (and is usually true, I've been rejected so many times that a "no" I've simply come to expect a "no" as an answer, but I ask anyways).

Well, it's not sexist, it's outright insulting though. It's as if you were to tell me I don't understand what I seek in a woman and that you know better. You don't even know me, how would you know what I like or not?

Sure, and that's the best way to take it. Who suggested it wasn't?

I don't care if it's insulting. Theres many good reasons to think that many women have a problem acknowledging their sex drives. Slut shaming is one major example. This is what I feel is at the root of their problem with nice guys. It's for reasons imposed on them by society, but it's still a problem.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Women have issues with this idea that they are somehow purer and more righteous than men.
Men have issues thinking women are incompetent.
Thats not all men and not all women.
The thing is, the first sort of woman has found their way into the feminist movement. Which is perfect hunting ground for the righteous victimz and such.
And through feminism, womens sexism is forced on men.

Women are morally arrogant, and men are intellectually arrogant. as a general rule for those who've not confronted it about themselves.

We all think we're purer, more superior, and far more competent than other people. We are our own advocates in general. You're basically arguing that because some women look themselves in a more superior light than other people they're disingenuous bitches.

Men and women both can be intellectually and morally arrogant. I happen to be both because I think my way is always best: I'm right and even if I am wrong I am still right basically. That doesn't mean I can't admit when wrong or apologize to others when I fuck up, but still.

[Ostroeuropa]

Women have issues with this idea that they are somehow purer and more righteous than men.
Men have issues thinking women are incompetent.
Thats not all men and not all women.
The thing is, the first sort of woman has found their way into the feminist movement. Which is perfect hunting ground for the righteous victimz and such.
And through feminism, womens sexism is forced on men.

Women are morally arrogant, and men are intellectually arrogant. as a general rule for those who've not confronted it about themselves.

We all think we're purer, more superior, and far more competent than other people. We are our own advocates in general. You're basically arguing that because some women look themselves in a more superior light than other people they're disingenuous bitches.

Men and women both can be intellectually and morally arrogant. I happen to be both because I think my way is always best: I'm right and even if I am wrong I am still right basically. That doesn't mean I can't admit when wrong or apologize to others when I fuck up, but still.

Yes, ofcourse.
But we tend to be encouraged to think of women as morally superior and men as intellectually superior or more competent, dynamic etc.
I'm not arguing that they're disingenuous. I'm arguing that because of their sexist outlooks, it has the effect that they may as well be.
That's the insidious thing about sexism. It causes people to behave in immoral ways without even noticing it.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

It is emotionally upsetting, but taking rejection graciously helps you.

I've been rejected many times before and I still can talk to a woman after they say "no". Reason being I am not an asshole about rejection, I just keep talking with them like nothing happened. It's like "hey don't worry about it, I wasn't expecting much out of that anyways" (and is usually true, I've been rejected so many times that a "no" I've simply come to expect a "no" as an answer, but I ask anyways).

Well, it's not sexist, it's outright insulting though. It's as if you were to tell me I don't understand what I seek in a woman and that you know better. You don't even know me, how would you know what I like or not?

Sure, and that's the best way to take it. Who suggested it wasn't?

I don't care if it's insulting. Theres many good reasons to think that many women have a problem acknowledging their sex drives. Slut shaming is one major example. This is what I feel is at the root of their problem with nice guys. It's for reasons imposed on them by society, but it's still a problem.

Yes, and you'd be right that societal expectations from women make them feel like they have to downplay their sex-drive, not to count religious beliefs like in Christianity where it is usually encouraged to wait until marriage and be abstinent. But I wouldn't tell a woman "you don't know any better about what you like", generally people have a good idea about what they like anyways.

[Ostroeuropa]

Sure, and that's the best way to take it. Who suggested it wasn't?

I don't care if it's insulting. Theres many good reasons to think that many women have a problem acknowledging their sex drives. Slut shaming is one major example. This is what I feel is at the root of their problem with nice guys. It's for reasons imposed on them by society, but it's still a problem.

Yes, and you'd be right that societal expectations from women make them feel like they have to downplay their sex-drive, not to count religious beliefs like in Christianity where it is usually encouraged to wait until marriage and be abstinent. But I wouldn't tell a woman "you don't know any better about what you like", generally people have a good idea about what they like anyways.

I'm glad we're agreeing on that then. Theres a multitude of reasons for women to be like this, but the fact remains many of them are, and they use this problematic mindset they have to foist sexism on men through the language of feminism.
You don't necessarily tell them that they don't know any better. That would be rude outside of a sociological discussion like this.
Nice guys just complain that the niceness isn't resulting in any luck (And may go out of their way to point out it isnt an act), and then the shitstorm begins.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

We all think we're purer, more superior, and far more competent than other people. We are our own advocates in general. You're basically arguing that because some women look themselves in a more superior light than other people they're disingenuous bitches.

Men and women both can be intellectually and morally arrogant. I happen to be both because I think my way is always best: I'm right and even if I am wrong I am still right basically. That doesn't mean I can't admit when wrong or apologize to others when I fuck up, but still.

Yes, ofcourse.
But we tend to be encouraged to think of women as morally superior and men as intellectually superior or more competent, dynamic etc.
I'm not arguing that they're disingenuous. I'm arguing that because of their sexist outlooks, it has the effect that they may as well be.
That's the insidious thing about sexism. It causes people to behave in immoral ways without even noticing it.

And that in indeed a problem, that men and women are separated by ridiculous stereotypes.

We all think different, it's ridiculous to think women are morally superior or men are intellectually superior. I've met women who are intellectually superior and competent than I and women who I think are morally wrong, but that's still an underlying issue, that society actually looks at men and women and tries to give us gender roles, and that kind of has to stop. I'm not a gender abolitionist, but I do think gender roles are stupid coming from a family who didn't have such an outlook on how we grew up.

[Ostroeuropa]

Yes, ofcourse.
But we tend to be encouraged to think of women as morally superior and men as intellectually superior or more competent, dynamic etc.
I'm not arguing that they're disingenuous. I'm arguing that because of their sexist outlooks, it has the effect that they may as well be.
That's the insidious thing about sexism. It causes people to behave in immoral ways without even noticing it.

And that in indeed a problem, that men and women are separated by ridiculous stereotypes.

We all think different, it's ridiculous to think women are morally superior or men are intellectually superior. I've met women who are intellectually superior and competent than I and women who I think are morally wrong, but that's still an underlying issue, that society actually looks at men and women and tries to give us gender roles, and that kind of has to stop. I'm not a gender abolitionist, but I do think gender roles are stupid coming from a family who didn't have such an outlook on how we grew up.

Pretty much. I think the genders themselves come from the application of the roles and will dissolve once they are removed.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Yes, and you'd be right that societal expectations from women make them feel like they have to downplay their sex-drive, not to count religious beliefs like in Christianity where it is usually encouraged to wait until marriage and be abstinent. But I wouldn't tell a woman "you don't know any better about what you like", generally people have a good idea about what they like anyways.

I'm glad we're agreeing on that then. Theres a multitude of reasons for women to be like this, but the fact remains many of them are, and they use this problematic mindset they have to foist sexism on men through the language of feminism.
You don't necessarily tell them that they don't know any better. That would be rude outside of a sociological discussion like this.
Nice guys just complain that the niceness isn't resulting in any luck (And may go out of their way to point out it isnt an act), and then the shitstorm begins.

And nice guys also fall within the Johari Window: they usually KNOW they are nice, and that they are genuinely nice; but what other people see that the nice guy cannot see usually gets them. They might not be perceived as that nice of a guy by other people or may have other things they don't realize the women they are trying to get don't like, and that's something he needs to find out before he actually says "I am a nice guy and I cannot get any dates". Also, if they are genuinely nice perhaps they are just looking in the wrong places for a relationship. You don't put a nice guy to chat up women at a bar or something. If they genuinely seek a connection perhaps an interest group or their college might be a better shot for them to find someone than either online dating or bars.

[Ostroeuropa]

I'm glad we're agreeing on that then. Theres a multitude of reasons for women to be like this, but the fact remains many of them are, and they use this problematic mindset they have to foist sexism on men through the language of feminism.
You don't necessarily tell them that they don't know any better. That would be rude outside of a sociological discussion like this.
Nice guys just complain that the niceness isn't resulting in any luck (And may go out of their way to point out it isnt an act), and then the shitstorm begins.

And nice guys also fall within the Johari Window: they usually KNOW they are nice, and that they are genuinely nice; but what other people see that the nice guy cannot see usually gets them. They might not be perceived as that nice of a guy by other people or may have other things they don't realize the women they are trying to get don't like, and that's something he needs to find out before he actually says "I am a nice guy and I cannot get any dates". Also, if they are genuinely nice perhaps they are just looking in the wrong places for a relationship. You don't put a nice guy to chat up women at a bar or something. If they genuinely seek a connection perhaps an interest group or their college might be a better shot for them to find someone than either online dating or bars.

And that's better advice for them to follow, sure. I agree.

[Threlizdun]

I'm yet to meet someone bitching about "the nice guys" not being "treated properly" who weren't just assholes who want to get laid. If you're actually a nice guy, you really don't have to say anything about it.

[Fjormark]

You could have just summarised it with the honest answer: Feminism is wrong because we already live in an egalitarian world, women are treated the same as men and are given the same opportunities, especially in the western world, this is a well understood fact and no amount of blaming men and the 'patriarchy' for individual short-comings will change facts. Some feminists even believe white, straight men are somehow more 'priveleged' than anyone else in the world, it's hard to take the movement seriously when the vocal morons are running the show.

Men in history have always had it harder than women and this is expected of them, it is because of the expectations men have women try to compete and change this culture to fit their desires, this is feminism at it's core. Even today, who do you think is expected to find a good job to sustain their family? Who do you think is expected to fight for their country? Who do you expect to build our society? Who has always done this? Men, and it will always be men. Men have built our society to function from economy, culture, technology, politics, and many other sectors of our society and even other societies across the globe. If women were supposed to have been recognised for the work of men in history, it would have been that way, but it isn't and it never will be.

Non of this is to say women are incompetent or simply negative in society, women have their own unique and useful traits that without them our society would not exist. It is modern feminism that is incompetent and it is modern feminism that strives on being the victim in all cases, it is the result of a society that is too successful, it requires challenges, it requires some sort of drama, and that's where feminism takes it's place: The drama of our modern society.

[Ostroeuropa]

I'm yet to meet someone bitching about "the nice guys" not being "treated properly" who weren't just assholes who want to get laid. If you're actually a nice guy, you really don't have to say anything about it.

How do you know they are assholes who just want to get laid? Did they tell you, or are you assuming? They could just want a partner. Besides which, wanting to get laid doesn't make them assholes. If they are genuinely nice people on top of that.
Why don't they have to say anything about it? Like I said, it's just them responding to what they are constantly told by society and acknowledging it isn't working.

[Threlizdun]

I'm yet to meet someone bitching about "the nice guys" not being "treated properly" who weren't just assholes who want to get laid. If you're actually a nice guy, you really don't have to say anything about it.

How do you know they are assholes who just want to get laid? Did they tell you, or are you assuming? They could just want a partner.

Because doing something just for sex, feeling entitled to sex just for doing what a decent person should do, and bitching when you don't get sex makes you an asshole.

Why don't they have to say anything about it? Like I said, it's just them responding to what they are constantly told by society and acknowledging it isn't working.

Because nice guys don't go around telling everyone how awesome they are. Doing seemingly altruistic acts just because you want attention doesn't make you a good person, just an attention-starved asshole. The best people don't go seeking a reward for helping others; helping others is there reward.

[Udinia]

I'm yet to meet someone bitching about "the nice guys" not being "treated properly" who weren't just assholes who want to get laid. If you're actually a nice guy, you really don't have to say anything about it.

How do you know they are assholes who just want to get laid? Did they tell you, or are you assuming? They could just want a partner.
Why don't they have to say anything about it? Like I said, it's just them responding to what they are constantly told by society and acknowledging it isn't working.

I think the point being made was that the complaining "nice guys" are just those who are deceptive in their courting attempts and frustrated that their fakeness isn't rewarded.

[Ostroeuropa]

How do you know they are assholes who just want to get laid? Did they tell you, or are you assuming? They could just want a partner.

Because doing something just for sex, feeling entitled to sex just for doing what a decent person should do, and bitching when you don't get sex makes you an asshole.

Why don't they have to say anything about it? Like I said, it's just them responding to what they are constantly told by society and acknowledging it isn't working.

Because nice guys don't go around telling everyone how awesome they are. Doing seemingly altruistic acts just because you want attention doesn't make you a good person, just an attention-starved asshole. The best people don't go seeking a reward for helping others; helping others is there reward.

It doesn't have to be just for sex. Complaining about lack of a sex life isn't something that makes people assholes either. They don't feel entitled to sex, I don't think, they seem to complain that they aren't getting it. That seems fine to me.
Sort of like how you can be upset that someone rejects you without thinking you're entitled to have a girlfriend. You're just being unsympathetic to them.

They seem to mostly be present online, or in drunken chats to me (People seem to open up about their insecurities when drunk, dunno if that's common.), anecdotal I know but if they're present elsewhere I havn't seen them. I've not ever seen one go around telling everyone, except in an online and typically anonymous capacity where it's usually a plea for help. So the part apart going around telling people they are awesome doesn't seem to hold up.

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How do you know they are assholes who just want to get laid? Did they tell you, or are you assuming? They could just want a partner.

Because doing something just for sex, feeling entitled to sex just for doing what a decent person should do, and bitching when you don't get sex makes you an asshole.

Why don't they have to say anything about it? Like I said, it's just them responding to what they are constantly told by society and acknowledging it isn't working.

Because nice guys don't go around telling everyone how awesome they are. Doing seemingly altruistic acts just because you want attention doesn't make you a good person, just an attention-starved asshole. The best people don't go seeking a reward for helping others; helping others is there reward.

I don't hide that I'm not that altruistic.

Rather, I do things for a reason. I won't just help you because I think there's a reward in it, but because I would like to be treated the same way I treat others. If I treat people nicely I hope someday someone is nice enough to help me back if they can.

I don't feel entitled to sex, but rather I make it known when I think it's the right time that I would want sex with said person, even if they say "no" or "well...". I don't necessarily think that's bad, at least women know I can be upfront about what I want and they don't get led on to believe I am such a nice guy anyways.

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How do you know they are assholes who just want to get laid? Did they tell you, or are you assuming? They could just want a partner.
Why don't they have to say anything about it? Like I said, it's just them responding to what they are constantly told by society and acknowledging it isn't working.

I think the point being made was that the complaining "nice guys" are just those who are deceptive in their courting attempts and frustrated that their fakeness isn't rewarded.

And you'd be right that many "nice guys" are just being deceptive in their courting attempts.

I'll be honest, I tried to be a "nice guy", due partly to inexperience, partly because my first girlfriend sorta maladapted me into it. Being deceptively horny doesn't work, it's frustrating as fuck.