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by Carpathia and Moldova » Tue Dec 23, 2014 7:43 am
by Hirota » Tue Dec 23, 2014 8:00 am
Okay. That maybe makes more sense. Some elements of feminism have become increasingly radicalised. I can't speak for how popular a voice rad-fem is amongst feminist circles - but from the outside looking in, it appears considerably more vocal and infinitely more harmful than the moderate elements who I wholeheartedly endorse and support.Carpathia and Moldova wrote:Maybe my definition of the term "feminism" is flawed because of the country I live in (Romania). In here, feminism has taken a very narrow approach on things and has resulted in a lot more damage and frictions. In my country, the principles which western feminists fight for, are attributed to the neo-communist movement, while a lot of organizations calling themselves feminist, have taken a much darker approach on things.
I don't believe you were fired by a feminist - you were fired by a nutjob who happens to be a feminist. There are nutjobs in all demographics.For example, I lost my job because I used a sentence which contained the word "penis" to describe Romania's new cyber-surveillance law (Its something like PRISM meets Big Brother and spawn an unholy child, as combining this with the recently-introduced law which bans the criticism of politicians, gives the secret services the means to make dissenters disappear and silence the press), in a Facebook post. My (former) boss, who apparently keeps tabs on what people post on Facebook, has fired me for being a sexist pig, because I dared use a common slang word to describe my opinion on something which has nothing to do whatsoever with gender equality. In addition, she also threatened to sue me and promised to make sure I will never work in graphic design again, anywhere.
by Arcanda » Tue Dec 23, 2014 8:07 am
by Olerand » Tue Dec 23, 2014 8:48 am
Free Rhenish States wrote:You're French, without faith, probably godless, liberal without any traditional values or respect for any faith whatsoever
by Indira » Tue Dec 23, 2014 9:34 am
Carpathia and Moldova wrote:Maybe my definition of the term "feminism" is flawed because of the country I live in (Romania). In here, feminism has taken a very narrow approach on things and has resulted in a lot more damage and frictions. In my country, the principles which western feminists fight for, are attributed to the neo-communist movement, while a lot of organizations calling themselves feminist, have taken a much darker approach on things.
For example, I lost my job because I used a sentence which contained the word "penis" to describe Romania's new cyber-surveillance law (Its something like PRISM meets Big Brother and spawn an unholy child, as combining this with the recently-introduced law which bans the criticism of politicians, gives the secret services the means to make dissenters disappear and silence the press), in a Facebook post. My (former) boss, who apparently keeps tabs on what people post on Facebook, has fired me for being a sexist pig, because I dared use a common slang word to describe my opinion on something which has nothing to do whatsoever with gender equality. In addition, she also threatened to sue me and promised to make sure I will never work in graphic design again, anywhere.
She also enforces lower wages on male employees and weekly mandatory "rape abstention" courses, in which male employees are being force-fed some bullcrap which states that all men are inherently rapists and we have to make efforts not to rape and cheat on our relationship partners (at the same time, promoting the idea that its ok for women to cheat on their partners and become violent).
Unfortunately, this kind of thing is becoming very common in this country. Another issue becoming very common is judges automatically declaring the "guilty" verdict, whenever a woman yells rape, often without looking at any of the evidence, whatsoever. The fact that some men do evil things, does not mean its ok for women to do the same. Trying to impose a social order according to which, women are entitled to do all of these things to men, because of some "right to vengeance" is stupid and wrong and is ruining this country. They should focus on promoting equality and discouraging lack of respect, violence and discrimination regardless of gender, instead of merely trying to reverse the roles.
Because of stuff like this, the male and infantile suicide rates, along with the rates of men divorcing their wives or breaking up with their girlfriends, have skyrocketed. Nowadays, instead of trying to reconcile, couples tend to break up more and more often, at the very first sign of disagreements, thus also resulting in a plummeting birth rate. On the other end of the spectrum, household violence has also increased. So what these "feminist" groups are doing is clearly not helping (its making the problem worse, actually).
Edit: Sorry about the grammar and spelling mistakes. Should be corrected now (I'm really, really tired)
by Olerand » Tue Dec 23, 2014 9:41 am
Carpathia and Moldova wrote:Snip
Free Rhenish States wrote:You're French, without faith, probably godless, liberal without any traditional values or respect for any faith whatsoever
by The Confederacy of Nationalism » Tue Dec 23, 2014 12:35 pm
Hirota wrote:Okay. That maybe makes more sense. Some elements of feminism have become increasingly radicalised. I can't speak for how popular a voice rad-fem is amongst feminist circles - but from the outside looking in, it appears considerably more vocal and infinitely more harmful than the moderate elements who I wholeheartedly endorse and support.Carpathia and Moldova wrote:Maybe my definition of the term "feminism" is flawed because of the country I live in (Romania). In here, feminism has taken a very narrow approach on things and has resulted in a lot more damage and frictions. In my country, the principles which western feminists fight for, are attributed to the neo-communist movement, while a lot of organizations calling themselves feminist, have taken a much darker approach on things.I don't believe you were fired by a feminist - you were fired by a nutjob who happens to be a feminist. There are nutjobs in all demographics.For example, I lost my job because I used a sentence which contained the word "penis" to describe Romania's new cyber-surveillance law (Its something like PRISM meets Big Brother and spawn an unholy child, as combining this with the recently-introduced law which bans the criticism of politicians, gives the secret services the means to make dissenters disappear and silence the press), in a Facebook post. My (former) boss, who apparently keeps tabs on what people post on Facebook, has fired me for being a sexist pig, because I dared use a common slang word to describe my opinion on something which has nothing to do whatsoever with gender equality. In addition, she also threatened to sue me and promised to make sure I will never work in graphic design again, anywhere.
You made a number of errors in your original post and thread title which inevitably turned people slightly hostile, but kudos for making the effort to correct your mistakes.
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by Geanna » Tue Dec 23, 2014 12:48 pm
Carpathia and Moldova wrote:Maybe my definition of the term "feminism" is flawed because of the country I live in (Romania). In here, feminism has taken a very narrow approach on things and has resulted in a lot more damage and frictions. In my country, the principles which western feminists fight for, are attributed to the neo-communist movement, while a lot of organizations calling themselves feminist, have taken a much darker approach on things.
For example, I lost my job because I used a sentence which contained the word "penis" to describe Romania's new cyber-surveillance law (Its something like PRISM meets Big Brother and spawn an unholy child, as combining this with the recently-introduced law which bans the criticism of politicians, gives the secret services the means to make dissenters disappear and silence the press), in a Facebook post. My (former) boss, who apparently keeps tabs on what people post on Facebook, has fired me for being a sexist pig, because I dared use a common slang word to describe my opinion on something which has nothing to do whatsoever with gender equality. In addition, she also threatened to sue me and promised to make sure I will never work in graphic design again, anywhere.
She also enforces lower wages on male employees and weekly mandatory "rape abstention" courses, in which male employees are being force-fed some bullcrap which states that all men are inherently rapists and we have to make efforts not to rape and cheat on our relationship partners (at the same time, promoting the idea that its ok for women to cheat on their partners and become violent).
Unfortunately, this kind of thing is becoming very common in this country. Another issue becoming very common is judges automatically declaring the "guilty" verdict, whenever a woman yells rape, often without looking at any of the evidence, whatsoever. The fact that some men do evil things, does not mean its ok for women to do the same. Trying to impose a social order according to which, women are entitled to do all of these things to men, because of some "right to vengeance" is stupid and wrong and is ruining this country. They should focus on promoting equality and discouraging lack of respect, violence and discrimination regardless of gender, instead of merely trying to reverse the roles.
Because of stuff like this, the male and infantile suicide rates, along with the rates of men divorcing their wives or breaking up with their girlfriends, have skyrocketed. Nowadays, instead of trying to reconcile, couples tend to break up more and more often, at the very first sign of disagreements, thus also resulting in a plummeting birth rate. On the other end of the spectrum, household violence has also increased. So what these "feminist" groups are doing is clearly not helping (its making the problem worse, actually).
Edit: Sorry about the grammar and spelling mistakes. Should be corrected now (I'm really, really tired)
by Susurruses » Tue Dec 23, 2014 6:15 pm
by Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Tue Dec 23, 2014 6:23 pm
Susurruses wrote:I'm surprised to see some people actually believe the OP's... "eventful" story.
by Carpathia and Moldova » Tue Dec 23, 2014 7:19 pm
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:Same. And if this actually happened, it just is an indicative that feminism is a bad space for interaction with cis males. Not because they're assholes, dull or egocentric. But because they wouldn't understand the same tone and the same consequences of what is being said, where you're coming from, and why is your voice in that topic in particular very important.
Most specially, cis males that don't come to learn, but to deduct their own biased interpretations of silly ideologies that totally need their approval and input, or else it will never work, like what OP seems to be.
by Margno » Tue Dec 23, 2014 8:58 pm
by Meryuma » Tue Dec 23, 2014 9:05 pm
Niur wrote: my soul has no soul.
Saint Clair Island wrote:The English language sucks. From now on, I will refer to the second definition of sexual as "fucktacular."
Trotskylvania wrote:Alternatively, we could go on an epic quest to Plato's Cave to find the legendary artifact, Ockham's Razor.
Norstal wrote:Gunpowder Plot: America.
Meryuma: "Well, I just hope these hyperboles don't...
*puts on sunglasses*
blow out of proportions."
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by Empire of Narnia » Tue Dec 23, 2014 9:10 pm
Meryuma wrote:Patriarchy hurts everybody, sure, but objectively it hurts masculine straight cis men the least.
by Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Tue Dec 23, 2014 9:37 pm
Carpathia and Moldova wrote:They should focus on promoting equality and discouraging lack of respect, violence and discrimination regardless of gender, instead of merely trying to reverse the roles.
by Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Tue Dec 23, 2014 9:39 pm
by The Sotoan Union » Tue Dec 23, 2014 9:49 pm
by Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Tue Dec 23, 2014 10:51 pm
Sefard wrote:The patriarchal system has lasted for the vast majority of human history.
by Margno » Tue Dec 23, 2014 10:51 pm
Sefard wrote:The patriarchal system has lasted for the vast majority of human history. It has presided over our success, failures, and our moving forward. It remained for a reason, because it works.
by The Serbian Empire » Tue Dec 23, 2014 11:00 pm
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