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Postby Carpathia and Moldova » Tue Dec 23, 2014 7:43 am

Maybe my definition of the term "feminism" is flawed because of the country I live in (Romania). In here, feminism has taken a very narrow approach on things and has resulted in a lot more damage and frictions. In my country, the principles which western feminists fight for, are attributed to the neo-communist movement, while a lot of organizations calling themselves feminist, have taken a much darker approach on things.

For example, I lost my job because I used a sentence which contained the word "penis" to describe Romania's new cyber-surveillance law (Its something like PRISM meets Big Brother and spawn an unholy child, as combining this with the recently-introduced law which bans the criticism of politicians, gives the secret services the means to make dissenters disappear and silence the press), in a Facebook post. My (former) boss, who apparently keeps tabs on what people post on Facebook, has fired me for being a sexist pig, because I dared use a common slang word to describe my opinion on something which has nothing to do whatsoever with gender equality. In addition, she also threatened to sue me and promised to make sure I will never work in graphic design again, anywhere.

She also enforces lower wages on male employees and weekly mandatory "rape abstention" courses, in which male employees are being force-fed some bullcrap which states that all men are inherently rapists and we have to make efforts not to rape and cheat on our relationship partners (at the same time, promoting the idea that its ok for women to cheat on their partners and become violent).

Unfortunately, this kind of thing is becoming very common in this country. Another issue becoming very common is judges automatically declaring the "guilty" verdict, whenever a woman yells rape, often without looking at any of the evidence, whatsoever. The fact that some men do evil things, does not mean its ok for women to do the same. Trying to impose a social order according to which, women are entitled to do all of these things to men, because of some "right to vengeance" is stupid and wrong and is ruining this country. They should focus on promoting equality and discouraging lack of respect, violence and discrimination regardless of gender, instead of merely trying to reverse the roles.

Because of stuff like this, the male and infantile suicide rates, along with the rates of men divorcing their wives or breaking up with their girlfriends, have skyrocketed. Nowadays, instead of trying to reconcile, couples tend to break up more and more often, at the very first sign of disagreements, thus also resulting in a plummeting birth rate. On the other end of the spectrum, household violence has also increased. So what these "feminist" groups are doing is clearly not helping (its making the problem worse, actually).

Edit: Sorry about the grammar and spelling mistakes. Should be corrected now (I'm really, really tired)
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Postby Hirota » Tue Dec 23, 2014 8:00 am

Carpathia and Moldova wrote:Maybe my definition of the term "feminism" is flawed because of the country I live in (Romania). In here, feminism has taken a very narrow approach on things and has resulted in a lot more damage and frictions. In my country, the principles which western feminists fight for, are attributed to the neo-communist movement, while a lot of organizations calling themselves feminist, have taken a much darker approach on things.
Okay. That maybe makes more sense. Some elements of feminism have become increasingly radicalised. I can't speak for how popular a voice rad-fem is amongst feminist circles - but from the outside looking in, it appears considerably more vocal and infinitely more harmful than the moderate elements who I wholeheartedly endorse and support.

For example, I lost my job because I used a sentence which contained the word "penis" to describe Romania's new cyber-surveillance law (Its something like PRISM meets Big Brother and spawn an unholy child, as combining this with the recently-introduced law which bans the criticism of politicians, gives the secret services the means to make dissenters disappear and silence the press), in a Facebook post. My (former) boss, who apparently keeps tabs on what people post on Facebook, has fired me for being a sexist pig, because I dared use a common slang word to describe my opinion on something which has nothing to do whatsoever with gender equality. In addition, she also threatened to sue me and promised to make sure I will never work in graphic design again, anywhere.
I don't believe you were fired by a feminist - you were fired by a nutjob who happens to be a feminist. There are nutjobs in all demographics.

You made a number of errors in your original post and thread title which inevitably turned people slightly hostile, but kudos for making the effort to correct your mistakes.
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Postby Arcanda » Tue Dec 23, 2014 8:07 am

My two cents : I think women should be allowed to do everything they want, as long as they can do it.
Feminism is good because it's something that allows women to struggle for their freedom.Being a man, however, It doesn't affect me at all.People expecting me to earn a living and to "act like a man" or be viril, well, I don't reallu find that opressive.

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Postby Olerand » Tue Dec 23, 2014 8:48 am

Silly description of feminism, and silly takedown of that silly description of feminism.

As far as I am aware, even the most "radical" version of Anglo-Saxon feminism recognizes the negative effects of the patriarchal system on men.
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Postby Kelinfort » Tue Dec 23, 2014 8:58 am

Yeah..those aren't the goals of feminism. Feminism actively recognises that gender constructs harm males and females, and actively work to resist them.

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Postby Indira » Tue Dec 23, 2014 9:33 am

In what world are men EXPECTED to be UNFAITHFUL? I pretty much gave up on your OP after that OP

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Postby Indira » Tue Dec 23, 2014 9:34 am

Carpathia and Moldova wrote:Maybe my definition of the term "feminism" is flawed because of the country I live in (Romania). In here, feminism has taken a very narrow approach on things and has resulted in a lot more damage and frictions. In my country, the principles which western feminists fight for, are attributed to the neo-communist movement, while a lot of organizations calling themselves feminist, have taken a much darker approach on things.

For example, I lost my job because I used a sentence which contained the word "penis" to describe Romania's new cyber-surveillance law (Its something like PRISM meets Big Brother and spawn an unholy child, as combining this with the recently-introduced law which bans the criticism of politicians, gives the secret services the means to make dissenters disappear and silence the press), in a Facebook post. My (former) boss, who apparently keeps tabs on what people post on Facebook, has fired me for being a sexist pig, because I dared use a common slang word to describe my opinion on something which has nothing to do whatsoever with gender equality. In addition, she also threatened to sue me and promised to make sure I will never work in graphic design again, anywhere.

She also enforces lower wages on male employees and weekly mandatory "rape abstention" courses, in which male employees are being force-fed some bullcrap which states that all men are inherently rapists and we have to make efforts not to rape and cheat on our relationship partners (at the same time, promoting the idea that its ok for women to cheat on their partners and become violent).

Unfortunately, this kind of thing is becoming very common in this country. Another issue becoming very common is judges automatically declaring the "guilty" verdict, whenever a woman yells rape, often without looking at any of the evidence, whatsoever. The fact that some men do evil things, does not mean its ok for women to do the same. Trying to impose a social order according to which, women are entitled to do all of these things to men, because of some "right to vengeance" is stupid and wrong and is ruining this country. They should focus on promoting equality and discouraging lack of respect, violence and discrimination regardless of gender, instead of merely trying to reverse the roles.

Because of stuff like this, the male and infantile suicide rates, along with the rates of men divorcing their wives or breaking up with their girlfriends, have skyrocketed. Nowadays, instead of trying to reconcile, couples tend to break up more and more often, at the very first sign of disagreements, thus also resulting in a plummeting birth rate. On the other end of the spectrum, household violence has also increased. So what these "feminist" groups are doing is clearly not helping (its making the problem worse, actually).

Edit: Sorry about the grammar and spelling mistakes. Should be corrected now (I'm really, really tired)


Which would suggest that there are dickish laws in your country. Oh and sources would be nice

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Postby Olerand » Tue Dec 23, 2014 9:41 am

Carpathia and Moldova wrote:Snip

A very interesting, and I am sure completely fabricated, or at least widely biased, post.
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Postby The Confederacy of Nationalism » Tue Dec 23, 2014 12:35 pm

Hirota wrote:
Carpathia and Moldova wrote:Maybe my definition of the term "feminism" is flawed because of the country I live in (Romania). In here, feminism has taken a very narrow approach on things and has resulted in a lot more damage and frictions. In my country, the principles which western feminists fight for, are attributed to the neo-communist movement, while a lot of organizations calling themselves feminist, have taken a much darker approach on things.
Okay. That maybe makes more sense. Some elements of feminism have become increasingly radicalised. I can't speak for how popular a voice rad-fem is amongst feminist circles - but from the outside looking in, it appears considerably more vocal and infinitely more harmful than the moderate elements who I wholeheartedly endorse and support.

For example, I lost my job because I used a sentence which contained the word "penis" to describe Romania's new cyber-surveillance law (Its something like PRISM meets Big Brother and spawn an unholy child, as combining this with the recently-introduced law which bans the criticism of politicians, gives the secret services the means to make dissenters disappear and silence the press), in a Facebook post. My (former) boss, who apparently keeps tabs on what people post on Facebook, has fired me for being a sexist pig, because I dared use a common slang word to describe my opinion on something which has nothing to do whatsoever with gender equality. In addition, she also threatened to sue me and promised to make sure I will never work in graphic design again, anywhere.
I don't believe you were fired by a feminist - you were fired by a nutjob who happens to be a feminist. There are nutjobs in all demographics.

You made a number of errors in your original post and thread title which inevitably turned people slightly hostile, but kudos for making the effort to correct your mistakes.

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Postby Geanna » Tue Dec 23, 2014 12:48 pm

Carpathia and Moldova wrote:Maybe my definition of the term "feminism" is flawed because of the country I live in (Romania). In here, feminism has taken a very narrow approach on things and has resulted in a lot more damage and frictions. In my country, the principles which western feminists fight for, are attributed to the neo-communist movement, while a lot of organizations calling themselves feminist, have taken a much darker approach on things.

For example, I lost my job because I used a sentence which contained the word "penis" to describe Romania's new cyber-surveillance law (Its something like PRISM meets Big Brother and spawn an unholy child, as combining this with the recently-introduced law which bans the criticism of politicians, gives the secret services the means to make dissenters disappear and silence the press), in a Facebook post. My (former) boss, who apparently keeps tabs on what people post on Facebook, has fired me for being a sexist pig, because I dared use a common slang word to describe my opinion on something which has nothing to do whatsoever with gender equality. In addition, she also threatened to sue me and promised to make sure I will never work in graphic design again, anywhere.

She also enforces lower wages on male employees and weekly mandatory "rape abstention" courses, in which male employees are being force-fed some bullcrap which states that all men are inherently rapists and we have to make efforts not to rape and cheat on our relationship partners (at the same time, promoting the idea that its ok for women to cheat on their partners and become violent).

Unfortunately, this kind of thing is becoming very common in this country. Another issue becoming very common is judges automatically declaring the "guilty" verdict, whenever a woman yells rape, often without looking at any of the evidence, whatsoever. The fact that some men do evil things, does not mean its ok for women to do the same. Trying to impose a social order according to which, women are entitled to do all of these things to men, because of some "right to vengeance" is stupid and wrong and is ruining this country. They should focus on promoting equality and discouraging lack of respect, violence and discrimination regardless of gender, instead of merely trying to reverse the roles.

Because of stuff like this, the male and infantile suicide rates, along with the rates of men divorcing their wives or breaking up with their girlfriends, have skyrocketed. Nowadays, instead of trying to reconcile, couples tend to break up more and more often, at the very first sign of disagreements, thus also resulting in a plummeting birth rate. On the other end of the spectrum, household violence has also increased. So what these "feminist" groups are doing is clearly not helping (its making the problem worse, actually).

Edit: Sorry about the grammar and spelling mistakes. Should be corrected now (I'm really, really tired)


So basically, what I am getting from this is, You have made subjective opinions based on personal experience with a so called ''feminist'', and as a result have decided to more or less overgeneralise, and assume this individual must be the spearhead or representation thereof, of all feminist and the feminist movement in general. In which case, you have failed to properly research and otherwise learn more about such before posting what can be described as nothing more than a rant. As such, in reality, a blog would be a nice endeavour for you to invest your time in - and perhaps a nice course of study into the movement and other subjects would be beneficial as well.

Feminism recognises the issue with gender roles on both females and males, and in reality, promotes gender equality. Your boss is practically nothing more than a nutjob who proclaims themselves ''feminist''. For example, an extremist, who happens to be Muslim; suicide bombs a cafe. It can be said that yes, the individual was a Muslim, but they were also an extremist. Does this mean all Muslims are terrorists or extremists? No.

A Christian Extremist runs into an abortion clinic, and ironically, blows up the clinic killing dozens. Does this mean all Christians are extremists? No. Rather extreme examples I know, however they were the two I could think of. Your root problem is overgeneralising and formulating assumptions that have no ground - as such, it doesn't belittle that you were fired by a nut. Indeed, that sucks - however, going off on a tangent to spite a movement or a group of people over an action of a few, who in themselves do not know what in the bloody hell they are talking about or attempting to represent; can be argued as just as ignorant.

In essence, you've made a lovely leap of all X equals Y therefore B is true - when in reality that isn't the case. Now, it is unfortunate, that the squeaky wheel gets the oil. As such, more vocal groups get the attention, by spiting them and overgeneralising, you only give them more fuel. Believing that a few as such, are the sole representation of an idea, movement, or group - only gives said few more traction and continues the squeak. WBC is a fine example of this; They are extremely vocal, it'd be just as ignorant of someone to use the WBC as an example of all Christians - I am sure some would take quite a bit of offence.

In all, the actual feminist movement, understands the necessity for gender quality - and in effort, attempts to resist the long rooted gender roles and social norms to break this, for both men, and women. The outspoken ones who attempt to belittle men, or blame men for their struggles are nothing more than misandrists who proclaim themselves feminists.

The idea behind equality or otherwise any ideology that promotes egalitarian ideals - is to create equality, not knock the other side down in bellicose behaviour, and then demand special treatment essentially elevating their status to above the other side. This is not equality, this is merely flipping the scales in favour. So, as much as I can sympathise with frustration of you losing your job, [I've been unemployed for a year due to health]; Overgeneralising is a dangerous precedent that shouldn't continue. Every group has their fair share of nuts, who deviate way to far from the original concept - and thus there is a reason these groups often distance themselves from these more vocal splinter-groups.
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Postby Susurruses » Tue Dec 23, 2014 6:15 pm

I'm surprised to see some people actually believe the OP's... "eventful" story.

Though it was interesting to see even Hirota point out that if it were true then it wasn't to do with feminism. (The ableism could do with being given a miss though.)

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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Tue Dec 23, 2014 6:23 pm

Susurruses wrote:I'm surprised to see some people actually believe the OP's... "eventful" story.

Same. And if this actually happened, it just is an indicative that feminism is a bad space for interaction with cis males. Not because they're assholes, dull or egocentric. But because they wouldn't understand the same tone and the same consequences of what is being said, where you're coming from, and why is your voice in that topic in particular very important.

Most specially, cis males that don't come to learn, but to deduct their own biased interpretations of silly ideologies that totally need their approval and input, or else it will never work, like what OP seems to be.
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Postby Carpathia and Moldova » Tue Dec 23, 2014 7:19 pm

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:Same. And if this actually happened, it just is an indicative that feminism is a bad space for interaction with cis males. Not because they're assholes, dull or egocentric. But because they wouldn't understand the same tone and the same consequences of what is being said, where you're coming from, and why is your voice in that topic in particular very important.

Most specially, cis males that don't come to learn, but to deduct their own biased interpretations of silly ideologies that totally need their approval and input, or else it will never work, like what OP seems to be.


Except I wasn't trying to criticize feminism as a whole, but feminism as a stereotype (which, unfortunately, in my country, is becoming increasingly more prevalent). I do admit that due to exhaustion and stress, I failed miserably to properly formulate the OP, as there is also the issue of English not being my native language.

Unfortunately, in Romania, "feminism" is quickly becoming an easy-to-use excuse to silence political dissent, amongst other such excuses, as "bolshevism" (anyone who voted in the 2012 presidential impeachment referendum, is suddenly a bolshevik). This country is quickly becoming an Orwellian-type dictatorship (do Google the recent laws which ban criticizing politicians and the cyber-surveillance law, I'm really tired and I honestly don't know how much has the international press, covered them), but for them to use something like "feminism" (note the quotation marks) as another tool and to profit off the rifts it generates within families and couples, is way too much.

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Postby Margno » Tue Dec 23, 2014 8:58 pm

This was a really well thought out essay, and I agree with everything you said. Don't mind the backlash from the orthodoxy police. :P
But honestly, I don't think it's any big mystery why men established dominance primordially. It's just physical strength. Power is the ability to coerce others, for the most part by threat of violence. Globalism, technological advancement, and to be honest even agriculture increase people's power over each other, making it just as easy for a little guy like me to murder a big guy as vis versa today. But the farther back you go, the more physical attributes determine your ability to hurt people, and, through extension, primordial power dynamics.
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Postby Meryuma » Tue Dec 23, 2014 9:05 pm

Patriarchy hurts everybody, sure, but objectively it hurts masculine straight cis men the least.
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Postby Empire of Narnia » Tue Dec 23, 2014 9:10 pm

Meryuma wrote:Patriarchy hurts everybody, sure, but objectively it hurts masculine straight cis men the least.

It hurts me because if I bought LEGO Friends people would think I was gay. I just want that yacht......

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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Tue Dec 23, 2014 9:37 pm

Well, this is no excuse for some of your attitudes.

Complaining about the ongoing threat of installation of a matriarchy in discussions about gender equality is, undoubtedly, holy fucking shit the Godwin's Law of false equivalences.

Carpathia and Moldova wrote:They should focus on promoting equality and discouraging lack of respect, violence and discrimination regardless of gender, instead of merely trying to reverse the roles.

Let me stop you right there.

The following uses of the noun "man" specifically mean the experience of dyadic cis men in society. Intersex and trans people, in the current power relationship of a society defined by a gender superstructure, are oppressed in huge part because they have their gender de-legitimized and are demonized for issues related to the notion that being "normal" sex and gender wise is an inherent characteristic of the standard human narrative. And if our society asserts so much power based on gender, son, it's not to make women more powerful.

When a man says he feels threatened by misandrist feminism, he doesn't start to suffer femicide. When a man says he feels threatened by misandrist feminism, he doesn't bring the male gender a wide narrative of the victims of domestic violence. When a man says he feels threatened by misandrist feminism, he isn't subjected to be victim-blamed after he suffered a rape (by those who believe he can suffer rape), specially those in which the aggressor was the other possibly oppressing gender. When a man says he feels threatened by misandrist feminism, he doesn't start to fear violence perpetrated by women as he walks home. When a man says he feels threatened by misandrist feminism, he doesn't start to see bodies like his used as a marketing strategy, hypersexualized in magazines, ads, video games, art. When a man says he feels threatened by misandrist feminism, he isn't slut-shamed as part of a gendered double standard because of stuff only he and his partner have the right to decide a positive or not. When a man says he feels threatened by misandrist feminism, he won't hear gendered slurs because he has some skin showing. When a man says he feels threatened by misandrist feminism, he won't have a smaller wage for the same amount of service being paid. When a man says he feels threatened by misandrist feminism, he won't be criminalized for his decision of not being a parent (clandestine abortion kills 100.000+ people with ovarian bodies every year, but how many more men essentially abort by neglecting their children and nothing would happen to them as a consequence in these very countries?). When a man says he feels threatened by misandrist feminism, he isn't branded a dangerous extremist, an anti-social agent, a toxic manipulative existence with discriminatory intentions or whatever available ableist insult is a given in our society because he shared his lived experience as part of an oppressed social group or demands to have it changed. When a man says he feels threatened by misandrist feminism, he doesn't become a target of objectification. When a man says he feels threatened by misandrist feminism, he isn't prone to being sold in modern-day slavery. When a man says he feels threatened by misandrist feminism, he isn't exploited in prostitution to survive, a form of prostitution where it has become a staple for his body to be a consumption object. When a man says he feels threatened by misandrist feminism, he doesn't start to suffer all the kinds of silencing, censorship, depreciation, insults, discrimination, abuse, exploitation, violence and hatred women have to fight to change.

So please, don't ever appeal to this sort of strawman, again. It is indeed entirely offensive, and with this, you diminish the seriousness of stuff that actually happens in the world, instead of idealistic instances of your group starting to suffer an inch of said practices for a generalized sentiment that your lives only matter for a secondary purpose that people who are reacting to all of what I mentioned above would create for you, because "it's natural that they're revengeful". No. You don't become miserable because of their actions, their ideology, and their prevalence in society. Stop lying to yourself, or trying to make the attempts of people who actually know what they are talking about seem less legitimate because you have a far greater space to diffuse fear-mongering than they have a space to make people conscious about how society was, is and will still be in the future WRONG about women, WRONG about the differences between men and women, WRONG about what is best for both, and WRONG about people people who don't fit.

You were indoctrinated to see these WRONGS as normal, and given how they don't directly hurt you, I doubt you can really compare to say that people who are speaking out are just trying to fuck you. And not just because of likely personal limitations.
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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Tue Dec 23, 2014 9:39 pm

Empire of Narnia wrote:
Meryuma wrote:Patriarchy hurts everybody, sure, but objectively it hurts masculine straight cis men the least.

It hurts me because if I bought LEGO Friends people would think I was gay. I just want that yacht......

You are being compared to gay guys, that are the main comparison to degenerate males who are jokes because they don't belong, that are seen as taking extreme form in trans women, because being a woman is really fucking stupid and even more so if not with the body with one, that is the part useful to what actually matters to dyadic cis hetero men.

So, yeah. Uneven. The joke's not on you, it's on others.
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Though this says I'm a social democrat, I'm largely a left communist.

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The Sotoan Union
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Postby The Sotoan Union » Tue Dec 23, 2014 9:49 pm

Why has the civil rights movement in regards to gender degraded into a petty slap fight? It's like people need to prove that one gender has it worse, and if one gender has it worse the other therefore has no problems. "Men are just as likely to be the victims of domestic violence therefore it's sexist to help female victims." Thinking like that makes you part of the problem not part of the solution. It doesn't help anyone.

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Postby Sefard » Tue Dec 23, 2014 10:48 pm

The patriarchal system has lasted for the vast majority of human history. It has presided over our success, failures, and our moving forward. It remained for a reason, because it works.

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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Tue Dec 23, 2014 10:51 pm

Sefard wrote:The patriarchal system has lasted for the vast majority of human history.

If you're a Creationist...
Pro: Communism/anarchism, Indigenous rights, MOGAI stuff, bodily autonomy, disability rights, environmentalism
Meh: Animal rights, non-harmful religion/superstition, militant atheism, left-leaning reform of capitalism
Anti: Dyadic superstructure (sex-gender birth designation and hierarchy), positivism, conservatism, imperialism, Zionism, Orientalism, fascism, religious right, bending to reactionary concerns before freedom/common concern, fraudulent beliefs and ideologies

Formerly "Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro".

Compass: -10.00, -9.13
S-E Ideology: Demc. Socialist (92% ditto/Marxist, 75% Anarchist/Social democrat, 0% etc)
S-E school of thought: Communist (100% ditto, 96% Post-Keynesian)

Though this says I'm a social democrat, I'm largely a left communist.

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Margno
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Postby Margno » Tue Dec 23, 2014 10:51 pm

Sefard wrote:The patriarchal system has lasted for the vast majority of human history. It has presided over our success, failures, and our moving forward. It remained for a reason, because it works.

Fuck, if this is what you call working I'd hate to see failure.
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Sefard
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Postby Sefard » Tue Dec 23, 2014 10:57 pm

Margno wrote:
Sefard wrote:The patriarchal system has lasted for the vast majority of human history. It has presided over our success, failures, and our moving forward. It remained for a reason, because it works.

Fuck, if this is what you call working I'd hate to see failure.


Any reason?

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Postby The Serbian Empire » Tue Dec 23, 2014 11:00 pm

Margno wrote:
Sefard wrote:The patriarchal system has lasted for the vast majority of human history. It has presided over our success, failures, and our moving forward. It remained for a reason, because it works.

Fuck, if this is what you call working I'd hate to see failure.

I bet that would be the shit hitting the fan and global anarchy.
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Postby Othelos » Wed Dec 24, 2014 12:15 am

Equality between the sexes is 'wrong'? That's a silly and stupid assertion.

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