NATION

PASSWORD

Criticisms of Feminism

For discussion and debate about anything. (Not a roleplay related forum; out-of-character commentary only.)
User avatar
Carpathia and Moldova
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1117
Founded: Apr 28, 2011
Ex-Nation

Criticisms of Feminism

Postby Carpathia and Moldova » Mon Dec 22, 2014 9:57 pm

Hold your horses. I know there are a lot of feminists here, but please, read what I have to say before going off and condemning me. I am not a misogynist and I do not advocate the discrimination of women (or any kind of discrimination at all). I completely agree with you that women are being discriminated against and I fully support the idea of equal rights and status for all genders, races, ethnicities and sexual orientations. My issue is that you're doing it wrong.

Let's think of society as a living organism and look at this issue as a social disease. When you get a disease, what do you do? Do you treat the symptoms, or the cause? Because, if you don't eliminate the cause, those symptoms are just going to come back and social inequality (as well as racial inequality and every other kind of inequality) is a symptom, which you pit so many resources against, without ever considering the bigger picture and what is causing the disease.

The fact is (and I recommend you take this very seriously), gender discrimination goes both ways. Yes, women are generally paid less. Yes, women are generally seen as being weaker. Yes, women are being treated with less respect. What you do not realize is that the discrimination of women is equally damaging to the male gender. How so? Because of the rigid social conventions on "gender roles" which we are all forced to abide by. While women are expected to "stay in the kitchen", men are required to be insensitive and unfaithful. In modern society, a man who displays affection, respect and loyalty to a woman, is considered a "pussy" and rejected as weak (and usually end up on the losing end). These gender conventions demand that men assert their dominance in a relationship and act the way we often do. In other words, we're just as conditioned and restricted by these conventions, as you are.

Social conventions such as gender roles, racial and ethnic status, etc, are all just another excuse for the people with a very high social status, to restrict access to their position and eliminate potential competition, thus increasing their offspring's chances of inheriting that position of power. The cause of all these issues is heredity. To prove my point, we're seeing a whole bunch of problems, like racism, slowly being eliminated, while other forms of discrimination, such as classism (discrimination against the poor), are taking their place.

I imagine that, at some point in the distant past, there was a struggle for social status and resources, in primitive human culture. At some point, that struggle was won by a group of males, for a some unknown reasons (it is possible that the opposite might have happened and females could have won, which would have resulted in a completely reversed scenario with women on top). Ever since then, that winning group has done everything in its power to not only consolidate its grip on the position which they have acquired, but to expand their power even further. Nowadays, we call these people "the 1%" and they're the ones who control the media, finances, etc, thus they're in a position to dictate which conventions should the society follow. In fact, all of these social conventions are the result of people playing by the rules of the privileged few, due to a misguided belief that thus, they are able to climb the social ladder just one step further. What you do not realize, is that the game is rigged. The people who make the rules will only seek to further their own interest and eliminate any and all potential competition, by making it impossible for people to compete in the first place. Thus, you have issues such as discrimination, which cause social frictions, malcontent, disappointment and stagnation and are invariably leading the human race towards its own destruction.

Try going through a mental exercise with me. Imagine a world without inheritance. A world without an elite which has that position of power, merely because they inherited their advantage. If power and wealth were not hereditary, we could have a world where one had to earn his or her place, through their own merit. In my opinion, the only way to solve society's issue is through making people in power have more responsibilities, while eliminating heredity in its entirety (100% inheritance tax and the abolition of aristocracy). All those taxes could then go towards making the world a place where every person has the chance to succeed in life on his/her own. Think of it this way. What would you rather leave your children? Material assets like money and social position, thus very little motivation for self-improvement? Or a world which offers your children the possibility to start in the same position as everyone else (by eliminating the concept of pole position), thus stimulating them to grow and evolve? Leveling the playing field would only increase competition, thus promoting an accelerated improvement of society and the human race as a whole.

What I propose, is that you stop looking at this issue from such a narrow angle. Its not just about women's rights, its about humanity as a whole. Why not try to point out the negative effects that discrimination against women, has on men? Instead of addressing just one of the symptoms, why not seek to promote a world in which everyone starts off with the same chances and has an equal amount of support, to succeed in life?

I'm really looking forward to reading your responses to this.

Mod edit: Generalized the title.
Further mod edit: Title change.
Last edited by Farnhamia on Mon May 25, 2015 4:40 am, edited 5 times in total.
A collective regime of peace and love...
- The Soviet Star Union -
General Information | Military & Technology | Important People
FT Factbook (WIP)




User avatar
Katganistan
Senior Game Moderator
 
Posts: 32067
Founded: Antiquity
Scandinavian Liberal Paradise

Postby Katganistan » Mon Dec 22, 2014 10:00 pm

What I propose is that you learn what feminism actually is. Because your post was condescending and ignorant, given that feminists DO say that these gender roles harm men as well.

It is you that is looking at this with a narrow view.
Last edited by Katganistan on Mon Dec 22, 2014 10:01 pm, edited 2 times in total.

User avatar
Imyoji
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1080
Founded: Oct 22, 2014
Ex-Nation

Postby Imyoji » Mon Dec 22, 2014 10:01 pm

...

Do you even know what feminism is? You don't? Then please reconsider what you said.
The Republic of Imyoji ― Emüryürü-ju Miinju
The Harmonious Northern Island


What do you get when you combine pursuits of technological advancements, an appreciation and strong conservation of the natural environment, and a harmony between altruistic communitarianism and state sponsored capitalism?
i am the globalization shill the left and the right warned you about

User avatar
Stagnant Axon Terminal
Post Marshal
 
Posts: 15930
Founded: Feb 24, 2014
Scandinavian Liberal Paradise

Postby Stagnant Axon Terminal » Mon Dec 22, 2014 10:03 pm

tl;dr
the vast, vast majority of feminists realize that sexism affects men. So, you just don't understand what feminism is.
But thanks for the condescending and outright uninformed post.
TET's resident state assessment exam
My interests include baking cookies, make-up,
shopping for dresses and high heels, glittery Christmas ornaments,
and dead things.
I scream a lot.
Also, I'm an Ancom.
Also, I'm gonna fuck your girlfriend.
Nanatsu No Tsuki wrote:the fetus will never eat cake if you abort it

Cu Math wrote:Axon is like a bear with a PH.D. She debates at first, then eats your face.
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:THE MAN'S PENIS HAS LEFT THE VAGINA. IT'S THE UTERUS'S TURN TO SHINE.

User avatar
Warpspace
Diplomat
 
Posts: 901
Founded: Aug 02, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby Warpspace » Mon Dec 22, 2014 10:07 pm

OP, the people you're rambling on about are Feminist Extremists, AKA "Femnazis". Actual Feminists are Susan B. Anthony, not Anita Sarkeesian.
Last edited by Warpspace on Mon Dec 22, 2014 10:07 pm, edited 1 time in total.
If we affirm one moment, we thus affirm not only ourselves but all existence. For nothing is self-sufficient, neither in us ourselves nor in things; and if our soul has trembled with happiness and sounded like a harp string just once, all eternity was needed to produce this one event—and in this single moment of affirmation all eternity was called good, redeemed, justified, and affirmed.
- Friedrich Nietzsche -


I wear teal, blue & pink for Swith.

User avatar
Romalae
Minister
 
Posts: 3199
Founded: May 31, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby Romalae » Mon Dec 22, 2014 10:07 pm

Seems like a big mischaracterization of feminism to me. It's like you're creating a false strawman and arguing against it.
Economic Left/Right: -3.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.79

Location: Central Texas
Ideology: somewhere between left-leaning centrism and social democracy
Other: irreligious, white, male

User avatar
Imyoji
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1080
Founded: Oct 22, 2014
Ex-Nation

Postby Imyoji » Mon Dec 22, 2014 10:08 pm

Warpspace wrote:OP, the people you're rambling on about are Feminist Extremists, AKA "Femnazis". Actual Feminists are Susan B. Anthony, not Anita Sarkeesian.

Oh god, I ain't touching this with a long pointy stick. I'll just call 'no true Scotsman' fallacy and call it a day.
The Republic of Imyoji ― Emüryürü-ju Miinju
The Harmonious Northern Island


What do you get when you combine pursuits of technological advancements, an appreciation and strong conservation of the natural environment, and a harmony between altruistic communitarianism and state sponsored capitalism?
i am the globalization shill the left and the right warned you about

User avatar
Warpspace
Diplomat
 
Posts: 901
Founded: Aug 02, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby Warpspace » Mon Dec 22, 2014 10:11 pm

Imyoji wrote:
Warpspace wrote:OP, the people you're rambling on about are Feminist Extremists, AKA "Femnazis". Actual Feminists are Susan B. Anthony, not Anita Sarkeesian.

Oh god, I ain't touching this with a long pointy stick. I'll just call 'no true Scotsman' fallacy and call it a day.

There's a difference between the normal (sometimes silent ) majority and the extremist nutjobs. See the difference between the average Muslim and the Taliban, the average Christian and the Teutonic Knights, the average American Republican and the Tea Party, etc.

Or do you seriously suggest that asinine extremists represent the defining majority of any tribal group?
If we affirm one moment, we thus affirm not only ourselves but all existence. For nothing is self-sufficient, neither in us ourselves nor in things; and if our soul has trembled with happiness and sounded like a harp string just once, all eternity was needed to produce this one event—and in this single moment of affirmation all eternity was called good, redeemed, justified, and affirmed.
- Friedrich Nietzsche -


I wear teal, blue & pink for Swith.

User avatar
The Serbian Empire
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 58026
Founded: Apr 18, 2012
Ex-Nation

Postby The Serbian Empire » Mon Dec 22, 2014 10:11 pm

Warpspace wrote:OP, the people you're rambling on about are Feminist Extremists, AKA "Femnazis". Actual Feminists are Susan B. Anthony, not Anita Sarkeesian.

The problem is society hears a lot more from the Sarkeesian type of extremist than the Susan B. Anthony types.
LOVEWHOYOUARE~ WOMAN
Level 12 Myrmidon, Level ⑨ Tsundere, Level ✿ Hold My Flower
Bad Idea Purveyor
8 Values: https://8values.github.io/results.html?e=56.1&d=70.2&g=86.5&s=91.9
Political Compass: Economic -10.00 Authoritarian: -9.13
TG for Facebook if you want to friend me
Marissa, Goddess of Stratospheric Reach
preferred pronouns: Female ones
Primarily lesbian, but pansexual in nature

User avatar
Oneracon
Senator
 
Posts: 4735
Founded: Jul 18, 2012
Ex-Nation

Postby Oneracon » Mon Dec 22, 2014 10:11 pm

This was an interesting read, but I think it stems from a fundamental misunderstanding of what the goals of feminism are.

The end goal of feminism is to elevate the role of women in society (who do have a worse position) by dismantling patriarchal aspects in our society... something that benefits everyone.
Compass
Economic Left/Right: -8.13
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.72
Oneracon IC Links
Factbook
Embassies

"The abuse of greatness is when it disjoins remorse from power"
Pro:LGBTQ+ rights, basic income, secularism, gun control, internet freedom, civic nationalism, non-military national service, independent Scotland, antifa
Anti: Social conservatism, laissez-faire capitalism, NuAtheism, PETA, capital punishment, Putin, SWERF, TERF, GamerGate, "Alt-right" & neo-Nazism, Drumpf, ethnic nationalism, "anti-PC", pineapple on pizza

Your resident Canadian neutral good socdem graduate student.

*Here, queer, and not a prop for your right-wing nonsense.*

User avatar
Warpspace
Diplomat
 
Posts: 901
Founded: Aug 02, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby Warpspace » Mon Dec 22, 2014 10:12 pm

The Serbian Empire wrote:
Warpspace wrote:OP, the people you're rambling on about are Feminist Extremists, AKA "Femnazis". Actual Feminists are Susan B. Anthony, not Anita Sarkeesian.

The problem is society hears a lot more from the Sarkeesian type of extremist than the Susan B. Anthony types.


Hence the silent majority part.

Unfortunately the most well known people of any club, group, fandom, ideology, religion, etc are the idiots with loudspeakers.
If we affirm one moment, we thus affirm not only ourselves but all existence. For nothing is self-sufficient, neither in us ourselves nor in things; and if our soul has trembled with happiness and sounded like a harp string just once, all eternity was needed to produce this one event—and in this single moment of affirmation all eternity was called good, redeemed, justified, and affirmed.
- Friedrich Nietzsche -


I wear teal, blue & pink for Swith.

User avatar
Planita
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1728
Founded: May 01, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby Planita » Mon Dec 22, 2014 10:13 pm

Watches flame wars starting...
Last edited by Francis Urquhart on Thurs November 29, 1990 5:11 pm, edited 45 times in total
ABOUT ME | Social Liberal and Centrist | Chinese-American | Kirby Delauter |
"Think as I Think," said a Man
"Think as I think," said a man,
"Or you are abominably wicked;
You are a toad."
And after I had thought of it,
I said, "I will, then, be a toad."
-Stephan Crane

User avatar
The Serbian Empire
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 58026
Founded: Apr 18, 2012
Ex-Nation

Postby The Serbian Empire » Mon Dec 22, 2014 10:14 pm

Warpspace wrote:
The Serbian Empire wrote:The problem is society hears a lot more from the Sarkeesian type of extremist than the Susan B. Anthony types.


Hence the silent majority part.

Unfortunately the most well known people of any club, group, fandom, ideology, religion, etc are the idiots with loudspeakers.

Yep, the silent majority if the opposed Sarkeesian would eventually be kicked out by the noisy radicals for not being feminist enough.
LOVEWHOYOUARE~ WOMAN
Level 12 Myrmidon, Level ⑨ Tsundere, Level ✿ Hold My Flower
Bad Idea Purveyor
8 Values: https://8values.github.io/results.html?e=56.1&d=70.2&g=86.5&s=91.9
Political Compass: Economic -10.00 Authoritarian: -9.13
TG for Facebook if you want to friend me
Marissa, Goddess of Stratospheric Reach
preferred pronouns: Female ones
Primarily lesbian, but pansexual in nature

User avatar
The Confederacy of Nationalism
Minister
 
Posts: 2334
Founded: Sep 05, 2013
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby The Confederacy of Nationalism » Mon Dec 22, 2014 10:14 pm

Katganistan wrote:What I propose is that you learn what feminism actually is. Because your post was condescending and ignorant, given that feminists DO say that these gender roles harm men as well.

It is you that is looking at this with a narrow view.

Gender roles are necessary while sexual reproduction still exists, matey.
Keep right -->
Don't give in to degeneracy,

My honor, my dignity, my pride above my life. No regrets.
American Ultranationalist
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" - Voltaire / "If you want to shine like the sun, first you have to burn like it!" - Adolf Hitler
Resident Social Darwinist

User avatar
Imyoji
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1080
Founded: Oct 22, 2014
Ex-Nation

Postby Imyoji » Mon Dec 22, 2014 10:14 pm

Warpspace wrote:
Imyoji wrote:Oh god, I ain't touching this with a long pointy stick. I'll just call 'no true Scotsman' fallacy and call it a day.

There's a difference between the normal (sometimes silent ) majority and the extremist nutjobs. See the difference between the average Muslim and the Taliban, the average Christian and the Teutonic Knights, the average American Republican and the Tea Party, etc.

Or do you seriously suggest that asinine extremists represent the defining majority of any tribal group?

I'm more of take whatever points that are good, be it from an extreme or mainstream, and see what sticks. All ideas are valid, but the most practical are the ones generally applied in the end, so in a way, the main stream has just as low a chance of being accepted in the end all be all.
The Serbian Empire wrote:
Warpspace wrote:OP, the people you're rambling on about are Feminist Extremists, AKA "Femnazis". Actual Feminists are Susan B. Anthony, not Anita Sarkeesian.

The problem is society hears a lot more from the Sarkeesian type of extremist than the Susan B. Anthony types.

Both points are valid, just which one would be more practical and most supported with evidence is the one that gets implemented.
The Republic of Imyoji ― Emüryürü-ju Miinju
The Harmonious Northern Island


What do you get when you combine pursuits of technological advancements, an appreciation and strong conservation of the natural environment, and a harmony between altruistic communitarianism and state sponsored capitalism?
i am the globalization shill the left and the right warned you about

User avatar
The Confederacy of Nationalism
Minister
 
Posts: 2334
Founded: Sep 05, 2013
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby The Confederacy of Nationalism » Mon Dec 22, 2014 10:14 pm

Planita wrote:Watches flame wars starting...

abandon thread
Keep right -->
Don't give in to degeneracy,

My honor, my dignity, my pride above my life. No regrets.
American Ultranationalist
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" - Voltaire / "If you want to shine like the sun, first you have to burn like it!" - Adolf Hitler
Resident Social Darwinist

User avatar
The Serbian Empire
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 58026
Founded: Apr 18, 2012
Ex-Nation

Postby The Serbian Empire » Mon Dec 22, 2014 10:15 pm

Planita wrote:Watches flame wars starting...

It's only a matter of time... but I know I won't flame anyone.
LOVEWHOYOUARE~ WOMAN
Level 12 Myrmidon, Level ⑨ Tsundere, Level ✿ Hold My Flower
Bad Idea Purveyor
8 Values: https://8values.github.io/results.html?e=56.1&d=70.2&g=86.5&s=91.9
Political Compass: Economic -10.00 Authoritarian: -9.13
TG for Facebook if you want to friend me
Marissa, Goddess of Stratospheric Reach
preferred pronouns: Female ones
Primarily lesbian, but pansexual in nature


User avatar
Basseemia
Minister
 
Posts: 2226
Founded: Sep 24, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby Basseemia » Mon Dec 22, 2014 10:16 pm

Sniff...

I smell a whiny blog post.
leftist. radical tree hugger. aries.
Name: Ramona
Political Affiliation: Leftist
Ethnicity: Palestinian/Egyptian
Likes: Socialism, UBI, Armed revolution against the United States government
Dislikes: Capitalism, America, Western Imperialism, Neocolonialism, Military-Industrial Complex

Economic Left/Right: -7.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.87

User avatar
Constantinopolis
Powerbroker
 
Posts: 7501
Founded: Antiquity
Liberal Democratic Socialists

Postby Constantinopolis » Mon Dec 22, 2014 10:16 pm

Carpathia and Moldova wrote:What you do not realize is that the discrimination of women is equally damaging to the male gender.

Actually, vast numbers of feminists (probably the majority of us) argue precisely that.
The Holy Socialist Republic of Constantinopolis
"Only a life lived for others is a life worthwhile." -- Albert Einstein
Political Compass: Economic Left/Right: -10.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.64
________________Communist. Leninist. Orthodox Christian.________________
Communism is the logical conclusion of Christian morality. "Whoever loves his neighbor as himself owns no more than his neighbor does", in the words of St. Basil the Great. The anti-theism of past Leninists was a tragic mistake, and the Church should be an ally of the working class.
My posts on the 12 Great Feasts of the Orthodox Church: -I- -II- -III- -IV- -V- -VI- -VII- -VIII- [PASCHA] -IX- -X- -XI- -XII-

User avatar
Katganistan
Senior Game Moderator
 
Posts: 32067
Founded: Antiquity
Scandinavian Liberal Paradise

Postby Katganistan » Mon Dec 22, 2014 10:17 pm

The Confederacy of Nationalism wrote:
Katganistan wrote:What I propose is that you learn what feminism actually is. Because your post was condescending and ignorant, given that feminists DO say that these gender roles harm men as well.

It is you that is looking at this with a narrow view.

Gender roles are necessary while sexual reproduction still exists, matey.



Really?
How does sexual reproduction tie into one's paycheck, do tell.
Or into one's ability to do construction work? Teach? Work in finance?

I eagerly await your explanation.

User avatar
Warpspace
Diplomat
 
Posts: 901
Founded: Aug 02, 2013
Ex-Nation

Postby Warpspace » Mon Dec 22, 2014 10:18 pm

Imyoji wrote:
Warpspace wrote:There's a difference between the normal (sometimes silent ) majority and the extremist nutjobs. See the difference between the average Muslim and the Taliban, the average Christian and the Teutonic Knights, the average American Republican and the Tea Party, etc.

Or do you seriously suggest that asinine extremists represent the defining majority of any tribal group?

I'm more of take whatever points that are good, be it from an extreme or mainstream, and see what sticks. All ideas are valid, but the most practical are the ones generally applied in the end, so in a way, the main stream has just as low a chance of being accepted in the end all be all.
The Serbian Empire wrote:The problem is society hears a lot more from the Sarkeesian type of extremist than the Susan B. Anthony types.

Both points are valid, just which one would be more practical and most supported with evidence is the one that gets implemented.


What

Then you should be agreeing with me, because the peaceful normal majority are the practical ones, not the extremists screaming for the heads to roll and torching shit.
If we affirm one moment, we thus affirm not only ourselves but all existence. For nothing is self-sufficient, neither in us ourselves nor in things; and if our soul has trembled with happiness and sounded like a harp string just once, all eternity was needed to produce this one event—and in this single moment of affirmation all eternity was called good, redeemed, justified, and affirmed.
- Friedrich Nietzsche -


I wear teal, blue & pink for Swith.

User avatar
The Serbian Empire
Khan of Spam
 
Posts: 58026
Founded: Apr 18, 2012
Ex-Nation

Postby The Serbian Empire » Mon Dec 22, 2014 10:19 pm

Imyoji wrote:
Warpspace wrote:There's a difference between the normal (sometimes silent ) majority and the extremist nutjobs. See the difference between the average Muslim and the Taliban, the average Christian and the Teutonic Knights, the average American Republican and the Tea Party, etc.

Or do you seriously suggest that asinine extremists represent the defining majority of any tribal group?

I'm more of take whatever points that are good, be it from an extreme or mainstream, and see what sticks. All ideas are valid, but the most practical are the ones generally applied in the end, so in a way, the main stream has just as low a chance of being accepted in the end all be all.
The Serbian Empire wrote:The problem is society hears a lot more from the Sarkeesian type of extremist than the Susan B. Anthony types.

Both points are valid, just which one would be more practical and most supported with evidence is the one that gets implemented.

The problem is the world tends to listen to who has the loudspeaker. Sarkeesian and her radicals have it.
LOVEWHOYOUARE~ WOMAN
Level 12 Myrmidon, Level ⑨ Tsundere, Level ✿ Hold My Flower
Bad Idea Purveyor
8 Values: https://8values.github.io/results.html?e=56.1&d=70.2&g=86.5&s=91.9
Political Compass: Economic -10.00 Authoritarian: -9.13
TG for Facebook if you want to friend me
Marissa, Goddess of Stratospheric Reach
preferred pronouns: Female ones
Primarily lesbian, but pansexual in nature

User avatar
Imyoji
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1080
Founded: Oct 22, 2014
Ex-Nation

Postby Imyoji » Mon Dec 22, 2014 10:20 pm

Warpspace wrote:
Imyoji wrote:I'm more of take whatever points that are good, be it from an extreme or mainstream, and see what sticks. All ideas are valid, but the most practical are the ones generally applied in the end, so in a way, the main stream has just as low a chance of being accepted in the end all be all.

Both points are valid, just which one would be more practical and most supported with evidence is the one that gets implemented.


What

Then you should be agreeing with me, because the peaceful normal majority are the practical ones, not the extremists screaming for the heads to roll and torching shit.

Implying that all extremists and radicals want heads be rolling. Again, everything is valid to a certain degree. Practicality can exist within radical thought, just a little bit more harder to find lest one likes to swim in the muck of extremism.
The Republic of Imyoji ― Emüryürü-ju Miinju
The Harmonious Northern Island


What do you get when you combine pursuits of technological advancements, an appreciation and strong conservation of the natural environment, and a harmony between altruistic communitarianism and state sponsored capitalism?
i am the globalization shill the left and the right warned you about

User avatar
The Confederacy of Nationalism
Minister
 
Posts: 2334
Founded: Sep 05, 2013
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby The Confederacy of Nationalism » Mon Dec 22, 2014 10:21 pm

Katganistan wrote:
The Confederacy of Nationalism wrote:Gender roles are necessary while sexual reproduction still exists, matey.



Really?
How does sexual reproduction tie into one's paycheck, do tell.
Or into one's ability to do construction work? Teach? Work in finance?

I eagerly await your explanation.

Men and women are biologically different. Laying a social construct over that to attempt to force them to be socially equal is not going to help. The only way you're ever going to eliminate gender roles is to eliminate sexual reproduction entirely and just clone men or women.
Keep right -->
Don't give in to degeneracy,

My honor, my dignity, my pride above my life. No regrets.
American Ultranationalist
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it" - Voltaire / "If you want to shine like the sun, first you have to burn like it!" - Adolf Hitler
Resident Social Darwinist

Next

Advertisement

Remove ads

Return to General

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: An Alan Smithee Nation, Aureumterra, Dooom35796821595, Ethel mermania, Ghost in the Shell, Google [Bot], Hirota, Konolas, Lazary, Loben The 2nd, MSN [Bot], Skyrim And Nordic Peoples, Souseiseki, Swindenland, Telconi, The Andromeda Island Group, Totally Not OEP, Xuloqoia

Advertisement

Remove ads