The GOP and Emotion Politics

[Insaeldor]

Quite honestly, they both use emotion in politics. It stirs the people. Of course, I always use logic and will go by logic then emotion.

Cool.

How do you logic out values?

Simple, is what we're doing inharently better for society and or does the good out weigh the bad?

If yes keep it

If no then repeal or reform.

[Caninope]

Cool.

How do you logic out values?

Simple, is what we're doing inharently better for society and or does the good out weigh the bad?

If yes keep it

If no then repeal or reform.

What is "better"?

Define it for me using only evidence and logic.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Simple, is what we're doing inharently better for society and or does the good out weigh the bad?

If yes keep it

If no then repeal or reform.

What is "better"?

Define it for me using only evidence and logic.

You use rational thinking to determine that on a case by case basis.

[Caninope]

What is "better"?

Define it for me using only evidence and logic.

You use rational thinking to determine that on a case by case basis.

The problem being that rational thinking cannot give you axiomatic- it's fundamentally axiomatic.

And that's why emotional politics are so powerful- they play to values.

[The Orson Empire]

Using pathos to influence a group of people is nothing new, and has been quite effective throughout history.

However, it is particularly dangerous when the GOP does it, as they are spreading misinformation and using it to push nonsensical policies through that will destroy this country.

[Insaeldor]

Simple, is what we're doing inharently better for society and or does the good out weigh the bad?

If yes keep it

If no then repeal or reform.

What is "better"?

Define it for me using only evidence and logic.

"better" is depended upon a society needs at any given moment and said society of using logic would look at statistics, projections, and existing examples to gauge how a policy might work and based off that evidence would choose to implement the policy or no.

Obviously however we're are not purely logical beings a little emotional persuasion is needed. Emotional arguments are not bad when used to prop up logical arguments but purely emotional arguments have no weight to stand because it's a reaction not something you can look at and say yes it will work or no it will not work.

[America NS Equivalent]

You use rational thinking to determine that on a case by case basis.

The problem being that rational thinking cannot give you axiomatic- it's fundamentally axiomatic.

And that's why emotional politics are so powerful- they play to values.

Logic plays to the value of actually having a coherent argument. Sure, I'll get washed up over a well-written fictional anecdote, but eventually I will come back to reality and assess if said anecdote or emotional appeal is accurate.

[New Reutlingen]

The GOP and the Democrat party both use emotion politics to get more voters.

"But we need Social Equality because we said so!" - The Democrat Party.
"But giving up your money is bad because we said so!" - The GOP

[America NS Equivalent]

The GOP and the Democrat party both use emotion politics to get more voters.

"But we need Social Equality because we said so!" - The Democrat Party.
"But giving up your money is bad because we said so!" - The GOP

Democratic basis: facing shattering income inequality and socioeconomic hardship and suppression among minorities and women, and recognizing the need to improve the standard of living, we must enact policies to protect the disadvantaged. Republican basis: I am a businessman and a man of faith. Kneel down at my altar, for economic freedom trumps all else (unless there is a crisis, in which case I would like a bailout).

[The Lone Alliance]

Right uses Emotion Politics
The "Left*" uses identity politics.
*I don't really consider democrats that left.

Though to be honest both of them do it, it's just the Republican Party is far more obvious about it.

[New Reutlingen]

Democratic basis: facing shattering income inequality and socioeconomic hardship and suppression among minorities and women, and recognizing the need to improve the standard of living, we must enact policies to protect the disadvantaged. Republican basis: I am a businessman and a man of faith. Kneel down at my altar, for economic freedom trumps all else (unless there is a crisis, in which case I would like a bailout).

Of course, we're all going to be biased against the parties that we dislike.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Democratic basis: facing shattering income inequality and socioeconomic hardship and suppression among minorities and women, and recognizing the need to improve the standard of living, we must enact policies to protect the disadvantaged. Republican basis: I am a businessman and a man of faith. Kneel down at my altar, for economic freedom trumps all else (unless there is a crisis, in which case I would like a bailout).

Of course, we're all going to be biased against the parties that we dislike.

No, that's pretty accurate actually.

[Zurkerx]

Cool.

How do you logic out values?

Simple, is what we're doing inharently better for society and or does the good out weigh the bad?

If yes keep it

If no then repeal or reform.

What is "better"?

Define it for me using only evidence and logic.

You use rational thinking to determine that on a case by case basis.

What is "better"?

Define it for me using only evidence and logic.

"better" is depended upon a society needs at any given moment and said society of using logic would look at statistics, projections, and existing examples to gauge how a policy might work and based off that evidence would choose to implement the policy or no.

Obviously however we're are not purely logical beings a little emotional persuasion is needed. Emotional arguments are not bad when used to prop up logical arguments but purely emotional arguments have no weight to stand because it's a reaction not something you can look at and say yes it will work or no it will not work.

^These

I take a pragmatic approach every time. My logic and values are not based off of emotion. While we may feel strongly on some issues over others, we should not let emotions blind us and guide us. It would be a disaster in that case.

[Ashmoria]

what else do the republicans have? they cant get traction with their desire to go to war with iran and they have given up every GOOD policy they ever had to the democrats.

all they have is fear and lies. if that stops working they have nothing. if their voters stopped worrying that Christianity is under attack they might notice that public education is under attack.

[Gauthier]

I'm just waiting for the GOP to call Obama a High Priest of Cthulhu out to destroy humanity and the world.

[Big Jim P]

You want to see a good example of emotion politics, just look at the democrats and gun control.

[Saiwania]

All they have is fear and lies. if that stops working they have nothing. if their voters stopped worrying that Christianity is under attack they might notice that public education is under attack.

What good is public education for if an Associates degree is like the new high school diploma for most employers? What good is a failing public school if throwing money at them won't guarantee that they'll improve enough to be a successful school?

[Gauthier]

You want to see a good example of emotion politics, just look at the democrats and gun control.

Yeah, if high school students were allowed to carry guns they could stop school shooters in their tracks. *nod*

[Ashmoria]

All they have is fear and lies. if that stops working they have nothing. if their voters stopped worrying that Christianity is under attack they might notice that public education is under attack.

What good is public education for if an Associates degree is like the new high school diploma for most employers? What good is a failing public school if throwing money at them won't guarantee that they'll improve enough to be a successful school?

yeah what do we need public education for anyway?

[Ashmoria]

You want to see a good example of emotion politics, just look at the democrats and gun control.

which is an excellent example of emotion politics but it is distinctly different from the republican approach in that the stories prompting the emotions are TRUE.

[Saiwania]

yeah what do we need public education for anyway?

The way I see it, public education should switch from trying to provide a balanced education to children to just getting them ready to handle a college education and ensuring that they can get at least some form of degree as quickly as possible. It won't be of any help however, to the people that get through college but can't land any job anyways.

[Galloism]

I'm just waiting for the GOP to call Obama a High Priest of Cthulhu out to destroy humanity and the world.

That would give him the youth vote.

[Crezilivion]

Emotional arguments are shit but logical arguments don't get to the vast majority of the population. Sad but that's the world we live in.

This.

Also, I'd like to add that American liberals really aren't much better than conservatives when it comes to emotional politics. Of course, most Democrats on NSG tend to be exceptions to this rule, but this is because NSG just does that to people.

It's been proven that when you appeal to someones emotions it is a lot more effective than when you put up numbers and facts. I think a quote (that I can't 100% remember) goes "One death is a tragedy but one million is a statistic." or something like that. This may not be what that quote even was intended to mean but if someone said "One million people died." you'd probably feel bad, but if someone told you a really sad story about how a person died it would probably have a bigger impact on you from all of the sadness it would cause you. This is generally speaking.

[The Two Jerseys]

The Democrats do the exact same thing. Anytime someone mentions deporting illegal immigrants, they start screaming "YOU'RE BREAKING UP FAMILIES!".

[Ashmoria]

yeah what do we need public education for anyway?

The way I see it, public education should switch from trying to provide a balanced education to children to just getting them ready to handle a college education and ensuring that they can get at least some form of degree as quickly as possible. It won't be of any help however, to the people that get through college but can't land any job anyways.

sounds like a plan that would require higher taxes.