South Carolina school dislikes America

[Llamalandia]

Yep.

I'm sorry, but there's no way in hell that's legal.

It sounds like it plausibly could have happened but yeah, I agree hard to believe that would be lawful.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

I'd have to see that school's rulebook.

But every school I have ever attended, in two states, schools are 100% allowed to touch your vehicle if it is on their property. In fact, in a liberal ass Colorado town I went to school in, if you were parked on a school sidewalk, they were legally allowed to search your vehicle.

That's how it fucking is, and there are reasons for it.

Why is it surprising that liberals are big govt supporters who don't care much about the constitution or people's rights? It's kinda their thing.

Ahem. Liberal here. Remember how we're arguing on the same side of this? Yeah.

At my private school on the other hand people now and again left a rifle or two on their trucks gun rack. Nobody cared beyond saying to try to remember not to bring them in the future

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That's fine. Perhaps there isn't as much of an issue with school shootings at private schools.

Govt schools are outta control and seem more and more to be controlled by edu school indoctrinated morons who care more about their politics and political correnpctness than whether students are actually ya know learning.

That's a remarkably narrow and simplistic take on the numerous issues that face public education, as well as a self-serving one.

[Llamalandia]

Why is it surprising that liberals are big govt supporters who don't care much about the constitution or people's rights? It's kinda their thing. At my private school on the other hand people now and again left a rifle or two on their trucks gun rack. Nobody cared beyond saying to try to remember not to bring them in the future. Govt schools are outta control and seem more and more to be controlled by edu school indoctrinated morons who care more about their politics and political correnpctness than whether students are actually ya know learning.

lolololololol

You sound like a Tea Partier. Tell me if you are, so I can disregard your opinions.

Also: Do you actually know what "liberal" means?

There are two kinds classical liberals which are now generally referred to as libertarians and progressive liberals these are the democrats. They used to care about people's individuals rights like the classical liberals but now are more interested in expanding govt, even more so post 911. But yeah, no plenty of bad conservatives out there too, I am just saying it shouldn't be surprising that today's progressive liberals are the ones supporting this kind of bs. Hell conservatives would give the kid a medal for his unquestioning jingoistic patriotism . I mean truck plus double flags if I'm not mistaken Murica fuck yeah.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

lolololololol

You sound like a Tea Partier. Tell me if you are, so I can disregard your opinions.

Also: Do you actually know what "liberal" means?

There are two kinds classical liberals which are now generally referred to as libertarians and progressive liberals these are the democrats. They used to care about people's individuals rights like the classical liberals but now are more interested in expanding govt, even more so post 911. But yeah, no plenty of bad conservatives out there too, I am just saying it shouldn't be surprising that today's progressive liberals are the ones supporting this kind of bs. Hell conservatives would give the kid a medal for his unquestioning jingoistic patriotism . I mean truck plus double flags if I'm not mistaken Murica fuck yeah.

You're just babbling talking points by now. It's a bunch of wild characterizations. And again, I am a liberal, AND I AM NOT SUPPORTING THIS, nor do I think that I'm alone in that.

[Llamalandia]

Why is it surprising that liberals are big govt supporters who don't care much about the constitution or people's rights? It's kinda their thing.

Ahem. Liberal here. Remember how we're arguing on the same side of this? Yeah.

At my private school on the other hand people now and again left a rifle or two on their trucks gun rack. Nobody cared beyond saying to try to remember not to bring them in the future

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That's fine. Perhaps there isn't as much of an issue with school shootings at private schools.

Govt schools are outta control and seem more and more to be controlled by edu school indoctrinated morons who care more about their politics and political correnpctness than whether students are actually ya know learning.

That's a remarkably narrow and simplistic take on the numerous issues that face public education, as well as a self-serving one.

Ah, yeah, but more and more liberals are less interested in defending freedom in my opinion. I mean, heck the gop sounds more like the aclu over the draw Mohammed thing. But yeah, I guess there are some true liberals left out there.

As to the last point yeah, kinda, it's a vast oversimplification I conceed. I had an excellent professor who taught both at university and in public high school. But the reality is for every amazing govt school or school teacher there are probably idk 9 bad ones. Or at least less than excellent ones. Part of it may be unequal cash distro rich district v poor district I admit, but really it goes beyond that. We have unqualified teachers in too many schools, too much out of subject area teaching, and too few teachers with at least a masters at the middle and high school level.

[Llamalandia]

There are two kinds classical liberals which are now generally referred to as libertarians and progressive liberals these are the democrats. They used to care about people's individuals rights like the classical liberals but now are more interested in expanding govt, even more so post 911. But yeah, no plenty of bad conservatives out there too, I am just saying it shouldn't be surprising that today's progressive liberals are the ones supporting this kind of bs. Hell conservatives would give the kid a medal for his unquestioning jingoistic patriotism . I mean truck plus double flags if I'm not mistaken Murica fuck yeah.

You're just babbling talking points by now. It's a bunch of wild characterizations. And again, I am a liberal, AND I AM NOT SUPPORTING THIS, nor do I think that I'm alone in that.

Fair enough but sadly you are far from representative of most liberals. It seems like giving citizenship to illegals and making sure no one's feelings ever get hurt are the preoccupation of too many liberals these days. I mean, most won't even say Islamic terrorist for instance. I agree at least on is issue, you seem to be a true blue liberal . I don't mean any offense to you on this issue.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Ahem. Liberal here. Remember how we're arguing on the same side of this? Yeah.

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That's fine. Perhaps there isn't as much of an issue with school shootings at private schools.



That's a remarkably narrow and simplistic take on the numerous issues that face public education, as well as a self-serving one.

Ah, yeah, but more and more liberals are less interested in defending freedom in my opinion. I mean, heck the gop sounds more like the aclu over the draw Mohammed thing. But yeah, I guess there are some true liberals left out there.

As to the last point yeah, kinda, it's a vast oversimplification I conceed. I had an excellent professor who taught both at university and in public high school. But the reality is for every amazing govt school or school teacher there are probably idk 9 bad ones. Or at least less than excellent ones. Part of it may be unequal cash distro rich district v poor district I admit, but really it goes beyond that. We have unqualified teachers in too many schools, too much out of subject area teaching, and too few teachers with at least a masters at the middle and high school level.

1. Your opinion is incorrect, and largely seems informed by Fox News or a similar source.

2. I'm going to need something more than a guess regarding teacher quality.

3. If you want teachers with Masters degrees, you need to start paying Masters salaries.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

You're just babbling talking points by now. It's a bunch of wild characterizations. And again, I am a liberal, AND I AM NOT SUPPORTING THIS, nor do I think that I'm alone in that.

Fair enough but sadly you are far from representative of most liberals. It seems like giving citizenship to illegals and making sure no one's feelings ever get hurt are the preoccupation of too many liberals these days. I mean, most won't even say Islamic terrorist for instance. I agree at least on is issue, you seem to be a true blue liberal . I don't mean any offense to you on this issue.

1. Giving amnesty to illegals, like that noted liberal Ronald Reagan.

2. Really? Because I notice a lot of conservative feelings being hurt nowadays. You should see the pained expressions on Fox News anchors' faces whenever Obama (or, worse, Jon Stewart) makes even the mildest critical observation of them.

3. The reason for not calling them "Islamic Terrorists" is the same reason that we don't call abortion clinic bombers "Christian Terrorists": it gives the terrorists an level of respectability through association that they don't deserve. "Terrorist" is good enough.

[Llamalandia]

Ah, yeah, but more and more liberals are less interested in defending freedom in my opinion. I mean, heck the gop sounds more like the aclu over the draw Mohammed thing. But yeah, I guess there are some true liberals left out there.

As to the last point yeah, kinda, it's a vast oversimplification I conceed. I had an excellent professor who taught both at university and in public high school. But the reality is for every amazing govt school or school teacher there are probably idk 9 bad ones. Or at least less than excellent ones. Part of it may be unequal cash distro rich district v poor district I admit, but really it goes beyond that. We have unqualified teachers in too many schools, too much out of subject area teaching, and too few teachers with at least a masters at the middle and high school level.

1. Your opinion is incorrect, and largely seems informed by Fox News or a similar source.

2. I'm going to need something more than a guess regarding teacher quality.

3. If you want teachers with Masters degrees, you need to start paying Masters salaries.

I largely I agree with three. Poet me be more clear here though. Most teachers and admins are generally prounion pro democrat etc they are the ones doing this. That sounds like they are pretty "liberal" to me. And they are the ones doing this. Thus I fail to see why it should be so surprising. 2 I admit that's a but of speculation on my part. That said, though I imagine part three is going to support it pretty well. But yeah, that's largely my opinion

[Eastern Equestria]

I don't get it.

I always wear American flag pins and have brought a full staff before to school, waving it proudly. And never did I get in trouble.

Something tells me that there was another reason for take-down.

Maybe because people reported it as a danger while driving?

According to the source in the OP and other sources, the school only cited public safety as a concern after the backlash from having taken down the student's flag (likely to save face). The original reason was that the flag had been deemed offensive.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/south-carol ... ags-truck/

"Just proud to be an American citizen," the 18-year-old told WBTV. Robinson said a York Comprehensive High School administrator told him remove the American flag and the POW-MIA flag, which he has in the back of his truck.

"He said, 'We're having some issues. Some people were complaining about the flags in your truck, possibly offend them.' He asked me to take it down," Robinson said.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

1. Your opinion is incorrect, and largely seems informed by Fox News or a similar source.

2. I'm going to need something more than a guess regarding teacher quality.

3. If you want teachers with Masters degrees, you need to start paying Masters salaries.

I largely I agree with three. Poet me be more clear here though. Most teachers and admins are generally prounion pro democrat etc they are the ones doing this. That sounds like they are pretty "liberal" to me. And they are the ones doing this. Thus I fail to see why it should be so surprising. 2 I admit that's a but of speculation on my part. That said, though I imagine part three is going to support it pretty well. But yeah, that's largely my opinion

No, it's a lot of noise with nothing to back it up. You're capable of forming a better argument than this.

[Llamalandia]

I largely I agree with three. Poet me be more clear here though. Most teachers and admins are generally prounion pro democrat etc they are the ones doing this. That sounds like they are pretty "liberal" to me. And they are the ones doing this. Thus I fail to see why it should be so surprising. 2 I admit that's a but of speculation on my part. That said, though I imagine part three is going to support it pretty well. But yeah, that's largely my opinion

No, it's a lot of noise with nothing to back it up. You're capable of forming a better argument than this.

Probably so, but this isn't really a thread about education and its problems. But yeah, I could craft a better argument and no disrespect I just don't feel like it at the moment. But as there isn't really that much to debate here on the actual op I feel far less invested in substantiating my claims some of which I readily admit are not the best constructed. Again no disrespect I'm just worn out and being kinda lazy.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

No, it's a lot of noise with nothing to back it up. You're capable of forming a better argument than this.

Probably so, but this isn't really a thread about education and its problems. But yeah, I could craft a better argument and no disrespect I just don't feel like it at the moment. But as there isn't really that much to debate here on the actual op I feel far less invested in substantiating my claims some of which I readily admit are not the best constructed. Again no disrespect I'm just worn out and being kinda lazy.

Been there. No worries.

[AiliailiA]

The flags are each 4 feet high and 6 feet long. They're mouted about 18-inches in from the sides of the tray. Thus they can flap 4-and-a-half feet to either side of the vehicle: on the right hand side, far enough to obscure the view of the road for a driver in the next lane.

No fucking way should that be legal. The school should have called the police.

[Pope Joan]

Because schools act in loco parentis, they have broad latitude. Ordinary Constitutional rights do not extend to the inmates of public schools.

http://www.njpsa.org/?q=content/loco-pa ... es-it-mean

[Russels Orbiting Teapot]

The flags are each 4 feet high and 6 feet long. They're mouted about 18-inches in from the sides of the tray. Thus they can flap 4-and-a-half feet to either side of the vehicle: on the right hand side, far enough to obscure the view of the road for a driver in the next lane.

No fucking way should that be legal. The school should have called the police.

Or, you know, someone should have gone to one of the driver's classes as it was letting out and took him aside, stating that people have complained that they can't see past his flags, and to please rearrange them?

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Because schools act in loco parentis, they have broad latitude. Ordinary Constitutional rights do not extend to the inmates of public schools.

http://www.njpsa.org/?q=content/loco-pa ... es-it-mean

Actually, they do, but in an admittedly limited manner.

[Jamzmania]

The flags are each 4 feet high and 6 feet long. They're mouted about 18-inches in from the sides of the tray. Thus they can flap 4-and-a-half feet to either side of the vehicle: on the right hand side, far enough to obscure the view of the road for a driver in the next lane.

No fucking way should that be legal. The school should have called the police.

It's pretty unlikely (more like it probably will never happen unless there's some really strong winds) that the flag is going to be flapping, full length, perpendicular to the vehicle while the vehicle is moving. More likely, it's going to flag directly backwards while the vehicle is in motion. You know, because physics?

[Llamalandia]

The flags are each 4 feet high and 6 feet long. They're mouted about 18-inches in from the sides of the tray. Thus they can flap 4-and-a-half feet to either side of the vehicle: on the right hand side, far enough to obscure the view of the road for a driver in the next lane.

No fucking way should that be legal. The school should have called the police.

Actuall cops said the flags were street legal, specifically the highway patrol. Here's a link to back that up. But yes, if the school had a problem they were free to consult cops, heck many schools have a resource officer on staff who probably could have been like meh the flags are legal. Plus if they were legitimately getting complaints from other drivers they could have asked nicely and then abided by whatever decision the student made.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

The flags are each 4 feet high and 6 feet long. They're mouted about 18-inches in from the sides of the tray. Thus they can flap 4-and-a-half feet to either side of the vehicle: on the right hand side, far enough to obscure the view of the road for a driver in the next lane.

No fucking way should that be legal. The school should have called the police.

Actuall cops said the flags were street legal, specifically the highway patrol. Here's a link to back that up. But yes, if the school had a problem they were free to consult cops, heck many schools have a resource officer on staff who probably could have been like meh the flags are legal. Plus if they were legitimately getting complaints from other drivers they could have asked nicely and then abided by whatever decision the student made.

Where is that link?

[AiliailiA]

Because schools act in loco parentis, they have broad latitude. Ordinary Constitutional rights do not extend to the inmates of public schools.

http://www.njpsa.org/?q=content/loco-pa ... es-it-mean

No freedom of speech in school, right. Schools do need to be careful that they enforce their rules consistently though, as they can be sued for discrimination.

For instance, the hypothetical rainbow flag would now be permitted on the back of a 'truck' at that school. Or even the North Korean flag is some shit stirrer chose to fly that instead.

[Erythropoietin]

And yet again Prussia your wrong

School officials DONT I repeat DONT have the authority to search vehicle wether in the lot or next to a sidewalk. You must have gone to private schools cause of all the public schools I know of the school officials get in trouble when the search or remove something without consent or reasonable suspicion. And like other people have told you motor vehicle infractions or violations are the responsibility of the police not school officials period.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

And yet again Prussia your wrong

School officials DONT I repeat DONT have the authority to search vehicle wether in the lot or next to a sidewalk. You must have gone to private schools cause of all the public schools I know of the school officials get in trouble when the search or remove something without consent or reasonable suspicion. And like other people have told you motor vehicle infractions or violations are the responsibility of the police not school officials period.

I've never even been on a private school's property. And of course you need cause. If a student has a flag on his truck that several people have reported as a driving hazard and they are on school property, they have every right to lay it in the bed of his truck.

Sorry, Tea Party mascot, your ridiculousness has no power here. This isn't Facebook, your bullshit ain't gonna fly.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

And yet again Prussia your wrong

School officials DONT I repeat DONT have the authority to search vehicle wether in the lot or next to a sidewalk. You must have gone to private schools cause of all the public schools I know of the school officials get in trouble when the search or remove something without consent or reasonable suspicion. And like other people have told you motor vehicle infractions or violations are the responsibility of the police not school officials period.

I've never even been on a private school's property. And of course you need cause. If a student has a flag on his truck that several people have reported as a driving hazard and they are on school property, they have every right to lay it in the bed of his truck.

Sorry, Tea Party mascot, your ridiculousness has no power here. This isn't Facebook, your bullshit ain't gonna fly.

According to the story, it was originally taken because (according to the school administration), they had received complaints that it was "offensive". They're since stated that it was a safety concern, but oddly, they only said that after they relented and allowed him to put it back up. One would think that if this had anything to do with the safety of the students, they'd stick to their guns. Instead, it seems that they're simply bowing to opinion, first that of the complainers, and then to that of those who participated in the backlash.

[Erythropoietin]

And yet again Prussia your wrong

School officials DONT I repeat DONT have the authority to search vehicle wether in the lot or next to a sidewalk. You must have gone to private schools cause of all the public schools I know of the school officials get in trouble when the search or remove something without consent or reasonable suspicion. And like other people have told you motor vehicle infractions or violations are the responsibility of the police not school officials period.

I've never even been on a private school's property. And of course you need cause. If a student has a flag on his truck that several people have reported as a driving hazard and they are on school property, they have every right to lay it in the bed of his truck.

Sorry, Tea Party mascot, your ridiculousness has no power here. This isn't Facebook, your bullshit ain't gonna fly.

All right then if you think you know it all then show me where in a source of an actual complaint other then a school offical saving face for their bs and yet again you can't touch someone's vehicle just because some butt hurt person said the American flag offended them in freaking America.