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Postby Norstal » Thu May 14, 2015 4:14 pm

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Norstal wrote:None of which is a heterosexual issue. Racists are forced to serve members of the race they hate and I don't see anyone up in arms about it.


Racism, to my knowledge, is not a religious belief.

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Postby Arcturus Novus » Thu May 14, 2015 4:14 pm

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No, I wasn't using slippery slope. I was merely pointing out that there are plenty of heterosexuals who are not allowed to marry, so saying gays should because heterosexuals can is a flawed argument.

...that...isn't...how...it works?

Heterosexuals, with some individual exceptions, are generally allowed to marry. Homosexuals generally are not allowed at all. That's how it works.
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Postby Hetalia Dakota 2 II » Thu May 14, 2015 4:14 pm

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Hetalia Dakota 2 II wrote:I'm okay with the objects part, animals too as long as they aren't sexually violated etc.

Neither are capable of informed consent.

True, I see little harm in an object, animals I was more thinking purely for inheritance, so I retract that statement, either way I agree people only bring up that topic to make it seem like a slope "If we allow the gays, why not just let me marry my cat cause bible... moral fiber... bla bla bla, I'm boring."
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Thu May 14, 2015 4:14 pm

Excidium Planetis wrote:
Norstal wrote:None of which is a heterosexual issue. Racists are forced to serve members of the race they hate and I don't see anyone up in arms about it.


Racism, to my knowledge, is not a religious belief.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Identity

Also, religion has been used as a tool to keep people enslaved. "Slaves, obey your masters" and such.

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Postby Arcturus Novus » Thu May 14, 2015 4:15 pm

Norstal wrote:
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Racism, to my knowledge, is not a religious belief.

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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Thu May 14, 2015 4:15 pm

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Prussia-Steinbach wrote:...that...isn't...how...it works?

Heterosexuals, with some individual exceptions, are generally allowed to marry. Homosexuals generally are not allowed at all. That's how it works.

I'm not sure you understand what I'm saying.

He says that since polygamists can't do their thing at the moment our argument for homosexual marriage is flawed.

Which is bullshit, even though I'm totally fine with polygamy.
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Postby Hetalia Dakota 2 II » Thu May 14, 2015 4:16 pm

Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:
Hetalia Dakota 2 II wrote:Breaking up of traditional straight marriage isn't a hetero issue?

Traditional Straight Marriage is more of a cultural issue, more or less, not a issue at all.

I was focusing on the thread title. Seeing if it had actual discussion merit or was just here to flaunt its privilege.
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Postby Furry Alairia and Algeria » Thu May 14, 2015 4:16 pm

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Racism, to my knowledge, is not a religious belief.

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Postby Kannap » Thu May 14, 2015 4:16 pm

Excidium Planetis wrote:
Hetalia Dakota 2 II wrote:I see little use of this thread then.


I think the point of this thread was "You shouldn't force heterosexuals to serve gay customers" and "You shouldn't force churches to marry gay couples".


But the OP has constantly stated homosexual marriage should not be allowed at all.
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Postby Godular » Thu May 14, 2015 4:16 pm

Excidium Planetis wrote:
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You were sort of tossing in a slippery slope aspect to it though, on the assumption that there would be nothing to impede the progression.

As long as they're consenting adults, it seems to be that the prevailing opinion is "Whatevs"


No, I wasn't using slippery slope. I was merely pointing out that there are plenty of heterosexuals who are not allowed to marry, so saying gays should because heterosexuals can is a flawed argument.


Oh really? How is somebody who is trying to marry their television heterosexual? Because the anime character on it is a girl?

Consent is a critical factor in determining who can marry. Objects, animals, and children cannot.

If they're consenting adults, there should be no restriction.
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Postby Excidium Planetis » Thu May 14, 2015 4:17 pm

Dyakovo wrote:
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The purpose of my question was to show that the argument used a flawed premise. That was perfectly clear.

But if you want to be willfully ignorant and believe that I want to deny homosexuals the right to marry anyone they want, you can have that flawed perception.

Uh-huh. Sure.
Sorry, but the only people that bring marrying inanimate objects and/or animals up in a discussion about legalizing ssm are people who are opposed to ssm.


So I suppose all those people who said they were okay with it are also anti-SSM? That's some nice logic you have there, you just called most of the people commenting alongside you anti-SSM.

I'm perfectly fine with people marrying inanimate objects and animals and people of the same sex. I guess that makes me anti-SSM?
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Postby Furry Alairia and Algeria » Thu May 14, 2015 4:17 pm

Kannap wrote:
Excidium Planetis wrote:
I think the point of this thread was "You shouldn't force heterosexuals to serve gay customers" and "You shouldn't force churches to marry gay couples".


But the OP has constantly stated homosexual marriage should not be allowed at all.


It's obvious that the Levites have risen from their graves, killed another 3,000 people after breaking the tablets of the ten commandments, and want to take over the government.
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Postby Arcturus Novus » Thu May 14, 2015 4:17 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
Arcturus Novus wrote:Heterosexuals, with some individual exceptions, are generally allowed to marry. Homosexuals generally are not allowed at all. That's how it works.

I'm not sure you understand what I'm saying.

He says that since polygamists can't do their thing at the moment our argument for homosexual marriage is flawed.

Which is bullshit, even though I'm totally fine with polygamy.

Oh, my bad. I didn't read the polygamy bit, haha.
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Postby Hetalia Dakota 2 II » Thu May 14, 2015 4:17 pm

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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Thu May 14, 2015 4:18 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
Excidium Planetis wrote:
Racism, to my knowledge, is not a religious belief.

http://www.noi.org/

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Postby Pragia » Thu May 14, 2015 4:18 pm

Arcturus Novus wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:...that...isn't...how...it works?

Heterosexuals, with some individual exceptions, are generally allowed to marry. Homosexuals generally are not allowed at all. That's how it works.

Yes, not allowed at all... Wonder what the world map works like.

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Hetalia Dakota 2 II wrote:
Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:Jesus Saves.

White Protestant People. Who think the exact same way I do.

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Postby Excidium Planetis » Thu May 14, 2015 4:19 pm

Godular wrote:
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No, I wasn't using slippery slope. I was merely pointing out that there are plenty of heterosexuals who are not allowed to marry, so saying gays should because heterosexuals can is a flawed argument.


Oh really? How is somebody who is trying to marry their television heterosexual? Because the anime character on it is a girl?

Consent is a critical factor in determining who can marry. Objects, animals, and children cannot.

If they're consenting adults, there should be no restriction.


People trying to marry their opposite sex sibling are heterosexual. A man trying to marry a second wife is heterosexual. And consenting, all of them. So YES, there are heterosexuals who are not allowed to marry who they want.
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Postby United Kingdom of Aitkenland » Thu May 14, 2015 4:19 pm

These sort of people and threads still exist?
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Postby Furry Alairia and Algeria » Thu May 14, 2015 4:19 pm

Pragia wrote:
Arcturus Novus wrote:Heterosexuals, with some individual exceptions, are generally allowed to marry. Homosexuals generally are not allowed at all. That's how it works.

Yes, not allowed at all... Wonder what the world map works like.

America isn't the world. Please, if you want to know, I'd like you to take a trip to Saudi Arabia, and see what happens when a boy says, "I want to marry this guy".
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United Kingdom of Aitkenland wrote:These sort of people still exist?

They're called Republicans, and they meet at the all-white Baptist church down on Mulberry Street.
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Postby Godular » Thu May 14, 2015 4:20 pm

Excidium Planetis wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:Uh-huh. Sure.
Sorry, but the only people that bring marrying inanimate objects and/or animals up in a discussion about legalizing ssm are people who are opposed to ssm.


So I suppose all those people who said they were okay with it are also anti-SSM? That's some nice logic you have there, you just called most of the people commenting alongside you anti-SSM.

I'm perfectly fine with people marrying inanimate objects and animals and people of the same sex. I guess that makes me anti-SSM?


Nobody here has said they are okay with being able to marry objects, animals, or children. You brought the subject up, and are apparently now blaming us for talking about it.
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Fixed what needed to be fixed

Either way I'm pretty sure the argument religion has nothing to do with race is now effectively null and void.
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Postby Godular » Thu May 14, 2015 4:21 pm

Excidium Planetis wrote:
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Oh really? How is somebody who is trying to marry their television heterosexual? Because the anime character on it is a girl?

Consent is a critical factor in determining who can marry. Objects, animals, and children cannot.

If they're consenting adults, there should be no restriction.


People trying to marry their opposite sex sibling are heterosexual. A man trying to marry a second wife is heterosexual. And consenting, all of them. So YES, there are heterosexuals who are not allowed to marry who they want.


And I would advocate for the lifting of those restrictions. Why are you arguing as if this somehow defeats the ssm argument?
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Postby Hetalia Dakota 2 II » Thu May 14, 2015 4:21 pm

Excidium Planetis wrote:
Godular wrote:
Oh really? How is somebody who is trying to marry their television heterosexual? Because the anime character on it is a girl?

Consent is a critical factor in determining who can marry. Objects, animals, and children cannot.

If they're consenting adults, there should be no restriction.


People trying to marry their opposite sex sibling are heterosexual. A man trying to marry a second wife is heterosexual. And consenting, all of them. So YES, there are heterosexuals who are not allowed to marry who they want.

Should we start the pologymy rights and incest rights threads?
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