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Benuty
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Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Benuty » Wed May 13, 2015 5:32 pm

Merizoc wrote:
Reddogkeno101 wrote:Yeah! Kingdom > Norse Unorganised Tribe

:palm:

Unorganized tribe?

No, many of them were at most Chiefdoms, some reached the level of petty kingdoms, and others actual kingdoms. Not to mention their impact on Europe alone shows the fact they aren't "organized tribes". Don't believe me? Look at who founded one of the largest dynasties in pre-Russia, and then converted the Russians into the Orthodox branch of the Christian faith.
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Postby Diopolis » Wed May 13, 2015 5:46 pm

Arcturus Novus wrote:
Diopolis wrote:Would you be happy with my "Latin is the language of administration so we don't have to force the peasants to change their language" state?

No. Lingua Latina or die.

Okay, not really. It'd probably be like the early Middle Ages where Latin is the tongue of the nobility and the erudite. The working classes can speak their native tongue, but they need to learn Latin for the military.

So what my system would end up as after a few generations(of course I'm creating nobility to fill civil service positions).
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Postby Wulfenia » Wed May 13, 2015 5:48 pm

Prumia wrote:
Wulfenia wrote:I would rebuild using Roman & Greek architecture, as well as reviving Homeric epic poetry. Guilds would be restarted.

So... the Legion?


In some ways, but with Futurist, Traditionalist, Corporatist, and Celtic pagan influence.

Crom will be our main deity.
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So Bachofen was right all along...

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Postby Nirvash Type TheEND » Wed May 13, 2015 6:02 pm

Wulfenia wrote:So Bachofen was right all along...

Be right back founding a tribe of warlike, patriarchal Indo-European sky-worshippers to fuck your shit up.

Let's fight.
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Postby Krasny-Volny » Wed May 13, 2015 6:19 pm

I would not be a leader or a figurehead. I would enjoy the independence from the society and establishment destroyed in the prior holocaust. There's no reason to rebuild it.
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Postby Trotskylvania » Wed May 13, 2015 6:29 pm

Rebuilding the tattered remnants of human civilization from first principles is not the time for grand visions. It's basic survival, pure and simple.
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Postby The Red Eagle Peoples Republic Of Asia » Wed May 13, 2015 6:32 pm

I would be like the peoples republic of china under Mao as a dictatorship. I would attempt to make my community the largest economy in the new world.

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Postby MERIZoC » Wed May 13, 2015 6:37 pm

Benuty wrote:
Merizoc wrote: :palm:

Unorganized tribe?

No, many of them were at most Chiefdoms, some reached the level of petty kingdoms, and others actual kingdoms. Not to mention their impact on Europe alone shows the fact they aren't "organized tribes". Don't believe me? Look at who founded one of the largest dynasties in pre-Russia, and then converted the Russians into the Orthodox branch of the Christian faith.

…..I was the one who facepalmed.

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Postby Rio Cana » Wed May 13, 2015 6:38 pm

Start Bartertown two.

This on Bartertown one.
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Postby Benuty » Wed May 13, 2015 6:43 pm

Merizoc wrote:
Benuty wrote:Unorganized tribe?

No, many of them were at most Chiefdoms, some reached the level of petty kingdoms, and others actual kingdoms. Not to mention their impact on Europe alone shows the fact they aren't "organized tribes". Don't believe me? Look at who founded one of the largest dynasties in pre-Russia, and then converted the Russians into the Orthodox branch of the Christian faith.

…..I was the one who facepalmed.

And?

The explanation wasn't just for them it was to prevent a potential "Vikings circlebroke" for anyone else.
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Postby Lendark » Wed May 13, 2015 7:03 pm

Lets just make our land look pretty.

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Postby Shnercropolis » Thu May 14, 2015 5:58 pm

I'd set up an informal government where people are generally allowed to do whatever they want so long as they get the go-ahead from everyone else in general.
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Postby Insaeldor » Thu May 14, 2015 6:09 pm

This would most likely depend on how big my flock would be. I'd probably set up some sort of democratic system with an elected assembly and set up a conscripted military force to aid in general security and to help secure resources in the general area of my little post nuclear nationstate. Id try to fund building programs to creat some sort of infrastructure most shelter and a basic sewer system and with time gradually expanded to add more in the way of schools and trade centers.
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Postby Polar Svalbard » Thu May 14, 2015 6:14 pm

Id find the other nukes and drop the rest hopefully I'll finally be rid of the cockroaches, i know the first time didn't work but i think those russian nukes didn't work as well as the American nukes would. Id be the King descended form Heaven who saved the people, running a sparta/athens esc city state that enslaves other people and trades with people believed to be worthy of trade. I am revered as a god and my people will become great warriors and great traders
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Postby The Emerald Legion » Thu May 14, 2015 6:44 pm

I would declare my copy of the codex: Skitarii to be holy writ, quote passages from it regularly, and lead my band of followers to construct a true omnissian enclave, salvaging what can be salvaged, recovering those arts lost, and reconstructing the body of technical lore.

Because you guys are seriously overestimating the decaying power of 3 years.
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Postby Greed and Death » Thu May 14, 2015 8:23 pm

Benuty wrote:I'd hope for something more than a bickering collective of city states who constantly shift alliances to secure their interests.

That is what I hope for honestly.

More interesting times.
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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Thu May 14, 2015 9:55 pm

I love threads like these. I'll definitely post my detailed society.

Though with the powerful merchant republic of Chicago to the north, the barbarian hill tribes to the south, and all manner of feudal warlord despotates and tribes of every color in between, I'm imagining forming some sort of loose Great Plains Federation.

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Postby Arumdaum » Thu May 14, 2015 10:00 pm

Wulfenia wrote:revolutionary conservative

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Postby Diopolis » Thu May 14, 2015 10:03 pm

Arumdaum wrote:
Wulfenia wrote:revolutionary conservative

wow

It's a common enough, albeit questionably accurate, term. It tends to refer reactionaries(IE those that want to overturn the order of the French revolution).
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Postby Wulfenia » Thu May 14, 2015 10:16 pm

Arumdaum wrote:
Wulfenia wrote:revolutionary conservative

wow


I'm not sure what you're surprised about, given that such movements did exist (in fact many people involved in Operation Valkyrie were members.)
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Fri May 15, 2015 10:16 am

The Nuclear Fist wrote:I love threads like these. I'll definitely post my detailed society.

Though with the powerful merchant republic of Chicago to the north, the barbarian hill tribes to the south, and all manner of feudal warlord despotates and tribes of every color in between, I'm imagining forming some sort of loose Great Plains Federation.

May the mighty Stag God bless my reign.

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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Fri May 15, 2015 10:16 am

Wulfenia wrote:
Arumdaum wrote:wow


I'm not sure what you're surprised about, given that such movements did exist (in fact many people involved in Operation Valkyrie were members.)

It's called being a reactionary. No wonder you're unpopular.
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Postby Nathaniel Orford » Fri May 15, 2015 10:23 am

Probably build up a small city-state, establish farming communities and dominate the surrounding area by out-competing all the other survivors. Nothing extravagant.
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Postby HYDRA-Russian Empire » Fri May 15, 2015 1:30 pm

I would rebuild in a modern style (glass and metal), but my Government buildings would be heavy-duty bunkers underground.
I would declare myself King, and attempt to take over nearby nations.
Also I would return religion - Christianity
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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Sat May 16, 2015 6:07 am

Old Tyrannia wrote:Assuming that I didn't die of starvation, disease, radiation poisoning, wild animal attack or being murdered by marauders, I'd establish a new ruling dynasty with myself as king. My aim would be to preserve as much of the cultural and scientific achievements of the pre-war civilisation as possible, and to that end I would gather together all of the surviving books that I could find into one big library. I'd build a society based on a love of knowledge and learning, respect for the natural world, and respect for one's superiors, coupled with a sense of strong obligation on the parts of the elite to the lower classes. Since this is presumably occurring in my home country I'd seek to preserve British traditions; in particular I'd attempt to revive and preserve the Church of England, which would also provide a strong religious incentive to obey royal authority, and form a parliament to which all of my subjects would be able to elect representatives to approve new laws and taxes. I'd also promote the teachings of Confucius, in particular his views on learning, government and the importance of ritual and proper social relations, which together with a strong Christian morality and a sense of civic duty would provide a stable moral foundation for my new civilisation. The culture of the new world would be influenced by my own personal interests. I'd combine elements of Medieval European, Classical Graeco-Roman and Imperial Chinese culture that I liked. A strong military would be a must in order to protect my civilisation from rival groups. Because feeding everyone would be the most immediate concern, society would be principally agrarian with each family group being granted a farmstead. There'd be a small town to serve as my capital, with the most talented and/or intelligent children being given the opportunity to join the bureaucracy or the military to help administer or defend my country.

I'd leave behind a charter establishing the inalienable principles of law in the new state- things like innocence before proven guilty, the right to a fair and open trial by jury, etc. This charter would also dictate the terms of succession, which would take the form of absolute primogeniture. It would also give parliament certain prerogatives such as the right to veto new taxes and establish a regency if the monarch is unsuitable/incapable of ruling. The nobility of the new state would be made up of talented ennobled individuals and their descendants, and the economy would be a distributist guild-based system.

Alternatively, I would track down Infected Mushroom and together we would build a society based on that of Westeros in Game of Thrones, with myself as the founder of House Stark, Warden of the North and Hand of the King. Thus satisfying both IM's bizarre obsession with GoT and my nostalgic desire for a romanticised, pre-industrial monarchy.

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