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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Wed May 13, 2015 3:21 pm

Apple-Loosa wrote:Raid and loot. Do what's necessary for survival.

We'd form a small community; a merry band of raiders.

Keep on raiding and looting.

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Let's worship Woden and Frey and get drunk on mead

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Postby MERIZoC » Wed May 13, 2015 3:28 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
Merizoc wrote:You all know what I'd do.

muh huntin n gatherins :p

Come on Merizoc, let's worship Woden and Frey and be vicious raiders together. We can steal all the shiny things, and be free, democratic, and drunk!

You and your false gods. Everyone knows that Tengrism is the one true religion.

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Postby Apple-Loosa » Wed May 13, 2015 3:30 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
Apple-Loosa wrote:Raid and loot. Do what's necessary for survival.

We'd form a small community; a merry band of raiders.

Keep on raiding and looting.

yasssss

Viking shit mayne

Let's worship Woden and Frey and get drunk on mead

shit this is gonna be fun

....Don't forget bout the looting.

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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Wed May 13, 2015 3:30 pm

Merizoc wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:muh huntin n gatherins :p

Come on Merizoc, let's worship Woden and Frey and be vicious raiders together. We can steal all the shiny things, and be free, democratic, and drunk!

You and your false gods. Everyone knows that Tengrism is the one true religion.

Pfffffft, and they call us savages. :roll:
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Postby MERIZoC » Wed May 13, 2015 3:31 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
Merizoc wrote:You and your false gods. Everyone knows that Tengrism is the one true religion.

Pfffffft, and they call us savages. :roll:

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Postby Benuty » Wed May 13, 2015 3:32 pm

Merizoc wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:muh huntin n gatherins :p

Come on Merizoc, let's worship Woden and Frey and be vicious raiders together. We can steal all the shiny things, and be free, democratic, and drunk!

You and your false gods. Everyone knows that Tengrism is the one true religion.

The worshippers of the Father amongst the great blue sky traditionally held no contempt for other religious beliefs as long as it didn't get in their way. So...yay I suppose, I mean a khanate is still a government that can keep whatever remains of society together even if it is no where near the level of the old world.
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Postby Benuty » Wed May 13, 2015 3:33 pm

I would use my power responsibly, yes completely shocking I know.
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Wed May 13, 2015 3:33 pm

Merizoc wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:Pfffffft, and they call us savages. :roll:

"Can't do shit against our arrows while you're sitting on your raft, hairy man!"

*covers self with shield*

*gets to shore and is shot five times with arrows but is so drunk can't feel it*

*chops your head off with axe*

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Postby Communist Volkstrad » Wed May 13, 2015 4:02 pm

I'd rebuild civilization in a Norse type style, with architecture being Norse in smaller buildings, building sturdier buildings in a Gothic style like that seen in Cathedrals. I'd further modify English to use the Cyrillic Alphabet or perhaps Elder Futhark, probably borrowing from my limited knowledge of German to further alter the language, the new language being called High English. I'd make it a highly egalitarian society, making all peoples equal and adapt Socialism to work in the post-apocalyptic world. I would also make sure to construct a massive archive built of the sturdiest materials possible, filling it with all the knowledge of the Old World, filled with books, items, weapons, art, anything really as long as it was from the past. This would become a reliquary of the past, filled with all that my people could find from the Old World, which I will call the Reliquary of Ancients because it will sound badass once its artifacts actually become ancient.

The society itself would, as I said, be built partially on the Norse, since we'd need to go out into the wasteland to get artifacts and supplies. So during parts of the year, we'd send out raiders to get what we need to survive and old things to put in the archive. The rest of the year would be spent on securing and expanding our territory, perhaps attempting to create farmable land. I would establish myself as a benevolent ruler of my people. I'd probably make it democratic to an extent, but I would hold the majority of the power. There'd be enough democracy to make sure my successors are restrained and I don't do anything too foolish, probably in the form of a sort of council that is elected by the people and acts with their consent and interests in mind who manage various parts of the state.

The center of my territory would be a massive fortress city, with large heavy walls around it guarded night and day. A large trench would be constructed around the city, the draw-bridge being closed at night. A portcullis will be constructed behind the draw bridge, with another large gate behind that. Multiple people will live in each house, the majority being constructed like Norse Longhouses. At the center of the city will be another walled in area, containing the Reliquary of Ancients and a large spire which the people can fall back to in a siege. The main administrative center will be there as well, although I will meet with the people on a regular basis at the Town Square.

Outside of that, I will send patrols throughout my territory to keep the peace and destroy any outcroppings of bandits or mutants. Guards will be stationed at all of my cities, and the heads of bandits and mutants will be put on spikes a distance around each one, a sign reading in both High English and Modern English a warning to those who may try to attack my people.
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Postby Old Tyrannia » Wed May 13, 2015 4:06 pm

Look at all you Norse fanboys. We'll see how tough you are when I go all Alfred the Great on your asses.
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Postby Reddogkeno101 » Wed May 13, 2015 4:07 pm

Old Tyrannia wrote:Look at all you Norse fanboys. We'll see how tough you are when I go all Alfred the Great on your asses.

Yeah! Kingdom > Norse Unorganised Tribe
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Postby Lordareon » Wed May 13, 2015 4:09 pm

My nation wold be like the Imperiam in Warhammer.

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Postby Red Star Union » Wed May 13, 2015 4:13 pm

I'd rebuild it based on the industrial boom days of the late 1800's and early to mid 1900's.

Basically, I'd try to restart industry and majorly fuck anyone who wanted to fight with my industrial power.
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Postby Draakonite » Wed May 13, 2015 4:26 pm

Old Tyrannia wrote:
Draakonite wrote:
It will be about 20 years before you can even start society, because of year 0 death of the government + nuclear winter, year 1 90% population death due to starvation, the following years being dominated by very small (like 10 people max) groups of survivors fighting over canned food. The bulk of those survivors will be rednecks, or survivalists, if you prefer, which will have stashed 3000 rounds of ammo, but no education books.
The base of the society will be 40 year olds veteran who only know war, and 20 year olds who have been teached by them, so you can't build a complex society based on reasoning.
In addition, after 20 years every library will have collapsed (Hurray ferroconcrete) Every book will be rotten, every machine rusted, every stored data erased... If you want a functioning machine, it would had to been drowned in a preserving agent, something which isn't done on a regular basis... or ever.

1) Yes, because 20 years is all it would take for every single book on the planet to be destroyed. 20 years is all it will take for every library in the world to collapse and for all the books to rot away. Except not. No one said the bloody things would be common, that's why I'm making it a priority to gather up any surviving books and take them somewhere safe ASAP.
2) Yes, because nuclear war will somehow remove people's capability to learn or reason. Besides, OP's scenario says that I am widely respected as a leader and people will do as I say. And I say we're building a society based on culture and learning. I want to know what sort of society you'd build, and why you hate civilisation so much.
3) I survived the nuclear holocaust, didn't I? If I can survive, then clearly not every survivor is a crazy survivalist. Most will be ordinary people who just got lucky. Hell, I don't even think that's a thing in the UK. If only survivalist rednecks will survive the coming apocalypse then only Americans will survive the coming apocalypse.
4) Who said anything about machines? I'm assuming, like everyone else in this thread, there will be no machines remaining, so books will be our only source of knowledge and information from the old world.
5) Also, what's complex about a society consisting of a king, some agricultural labourers, a small defence force and a small group of officials to assist the king? I think it's a fairly straightforward set up. It worked for the Anglo-Saxons.


Those libraries which look like they wouldn't collapse because noones shovels off snow from the roof tend to stand in places where the integrity of buildings would be damaged because of the kind of apocalypse we discuss about. And a open roof, eg. letting in moisture, is more than enough to destroy every single book in there. Of course there would be surviving books hidden in basements... if the building atop it didn't collapsed making the acquirement of them almost impossible. Filling a library, hell even one room with books is very ambitious, or rather impossible, within a lifetime. You have to keep in mind that the range of operation is very limited, due to no means of transportation (All cars rotten, all gasoline turned into jelly or evaporated, all horses starved) and rivaling "nations".
20 years of barely surviving can remove a humans capability to reason. Not that everyone will have forgotten how the world did work, but you have to keep in mind that the new generation did have barely an education, and you will need a system that works after the founding fathers died.
Most Survivors will be survivalist. Do you know how much food do you need to survive 20 years? An absolute minimum is 4 tons... if you like to eat white sugar as your main meal that is. Only being able to use long-life food, i would imagine that it isn't much different than todays average... about 13 tons for 20 years, not counting the packaging. Vitamins is another problem. Survivors would have to rely solely on pills. I imagine after 10 years people killing each other for just one clip of those. You would have to be ruthless, you would have to be armed, you would have to be prepared. Because after the first month, every super market you know will be picked clean.
You would agree that a "a society based on a love of knowledge and learning" would kinda need a pretty high literacy rate? I kinda doubt that the majority of the new generation, those raised in a world were you fight over vitamin clips, has been thought writing by their parents which didn't do anything else than surviving.
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Wed May 13, 2015 4:26 pm

Red Star Union wrote:I'd rebuild it based on the industrial boom days of the late 1800's and early to mid 1900's.

Basically, I'd try to restart industry and majorly fuck anyone who wanted to fight with my industrial power.

Rule, Britannia!


Draakonite wrote:
Old Tyrannia wrote:1) Yes, because 20 years is all it would take for every single book on the planet to be destroyed. 20 years is all it will take for every library in the world to collapse and for all the books to rot away. Except not. No one said the bloody things would be common, that's why I'm making it a priority to gather up any surviving books and take them somewhere safe ASAP.
2) Yes, because nuclear war will somehow remove people's capability to learn or reason. Besides, OP's scenario says that I am widely respected as a leader and people will do as I say. And I say we're building a society based on culture and learning. I want to know what sort of society you'd build, and why you hate civilisation so much.
3) I survived the nuclear holocaust, didn't I? If I can survive, then clearly not every survivor is a crazy survivalist. Most will be ordinary people who just got lucky. Hell, I don't even think that's a thing in the UK. If only survivalist rednecks will survive the coming apocalypse then only Americans will survive the coming apocalypse.
4) Who said anything about machines? I'm assuming, like everyone else in this thread, there will be no machines remaining, so books will be our only source of knowledge and information from the old world.
5) Also, what's complex about a society consisting of a king, some agricultural labourers, a small defence force and a small group of officials to assist the king? I think it's a fairly straightforward set up. It worked for the Anglo-Saxons.


Those libraries which look like they wouldn't collapse because noones shovels off snow from the roof tend to stand in places where the integrity of buildings would be damaged because of the kind of apocalypse we discuss about. And a open roof, eg. letting in moisture, is more than enough to destroy every single book in there. Of course there would be surviving books hidden in basements... if the building atop it didn't collapsed making the acquirement of them almost impossible. Filling a library, hell even one room with books is very ambitious, or rather impossible, within a lifetime. You have to keep in mind that the range of operation is very limited, due to no means of transportation (All cars rotten, all gasoline turned into jelly or evaporated, all horses starved) and rivaling "nations".
20 years of barely surviving can remove a humans capability to reason. Not that everyone will have forgotten how the world did work, but you have to keep in mind that the new generation did have barely an education, and you will need a system that works after the founding fathers system.
Most Survivors will be survivalist. Do you know how much food do you need to survive 20 years? An absolute minimum is 4 tons... if you like to eat white sugar as your main meal that is. Only being able to use long-life food, i would imagine that it isn't much different than todays average... about 13 tons for 20 years, not counting the packaging. Vitamins is another problem. Survivors would have to rely solely on pills. I imagine after 10 years people killing each other for just one clip of those. You would have to be ruthless, you would have to be armed, you would have to be prepared. Because after the first month, every super market you know will be picked clean.
You would agree that a "a society based on a love of knowledge and learning" would kinda need a pretty high literacy rate? I kinda doubt that the majority of the new generation, those raised in a world were you fight over vitamin clips, has been thought writing by their parents which didn't do anything else than surviving.

While the surviving books would indeed be buried, there would also be multiple people who would want to collect and preserve the world's knowledge, a bit like the Catholic Church did after the fall of Rome. Plus, there are plenty of libraries that would either be outside of a zone of immediate danger, or would survive due to other factors (e.g. being shielded from the worst of the blasts' effects by other buildings. A lot of libraries are pretty solid.
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Postby Communist Volkstrad » Wed May 13, 2015 4:41 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:
Red Star Union wrote:I'd rebuild it based on the industrial boom days of the late 1800's and early to mid 1900's.

Basically, I'd try to restart industry and majorly fuck anyone who wanted to fight with my industrial power.

Rule, Britannia!


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Those libraries which look like they wouldn't collapse because noones shovels off snow from the roof tend to stand in places where the integrity of buildings would be damaged because of the kind of apocalypse we discuss about. And a open roof, eg. letting in moisture, is more than enough to destroy every single book in there. Of course there would be surviving books hidden in basements... if the building atop it didn't collapsed making the acquirement of them almost impossible. Filling a library, hell even one room with books is very ambitious, or rather impossible, within a lifetime. You have to keep in mind that the range of operation is very limited, due to no means of transportation (All cars rotten, all gasoline turned into jelly or evaporated, all horses starved) and rivaling "nations".
20 years of barely surviving can remove a humans capability to reason. Not that everyone will have forgotten how the world did work, but you have to keep in mind that the new generation did have barely an education, and you will need a system that works after the founding fathers system.
Most Survivors will be survivalist. Do you know how much food do you need to survive 20 years? An absolute minimum is 4 tons... if you like to eat white sugar as your main meal that is. Only being able to use long-life food, i would imagine that it isn't much different than todays average... about 13 tons for 20 years, not counting the packaging. Vitamins is another problem. Survivors would have to rely solely on pills. I imagine after 10 years people killing each other for just one clip of those. You would have to be ruthless, you would have to be armed, you would have to be prepared. Because after the first month, every super market you know will be picked clean.
You would agree that a "a society based on a love of knowledge and learning" would kinda need a pretty high literacy rate? I kinda doubt that the majority of the new generation, those raised in a world were you fight over vitamin clips, has been thought writing by their parents which didn't do anything else than surviving.

While the surviving books would indeed be buried, there would also be multiple people who would want to collect and preserve the world's knowledge, a bit like the Catholic Church did after the fall of Rome. Plus, there are plenty of libraries that would either be outside of a zone of immediate danger, or would survive due to other factors (e.g. being shielded from the worst of the blasts' effects by other buildings. A lot of libraries are pretty solid.

Yeah, I'd be looking for those to collect myself to bring to a grand archive of the world's knowledge, as I said in my post. There would be lots of damaged, destroyed books but there are many around there that would be intact at least partially. Any scraps of the old world's knowledge will be good to save, because even with the little preserved it can help for people in the future to rediscover human history from the various books and the accounts of those who would write their knowledge down.
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Postby MERIZoC » Wed May 13, 2015 5:09 pm

Reddogkeno101 wrote:
Old Tyrannia wrote:Look at all you Norse fanboys. We'll see how tough you are when I go all Alfred the Great on your asses.

Yeah! Kingdom > Norse Unorganised Tribe

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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Wed May 13, 2015 5:14 pm

I think I may reenact Metro in Moscow before I become Nirvash's slave or whatever hedonistic matriarchs call men.

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Old Tyrannia wrote:Look at all you Norse fanboys. We'll see how tough you are when I go all Alfred the Great on your asses.

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I personally would make a giant wall and make the place like stuff in the wall by Pink Floyd.

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Postby Draakonite » Wed May 13, 2015 5:20 pm

Communist Volkstrad wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:Rule, Britannia!



While the surviving books would indeed be buried, there would also be multiple people who would want to collect and preserve the world's knowledge, a bit like the Catholic Church did after the fall of Rome. Plus, there are plenty of libraries that would either be outside of a zone of immediate danger, or would survive due to other factors (e.g. being shielded from the worst of the blasts' effects by other buildings. A lot of libraries are pretty solid.

Yeah, I'd be looking for those to collect myself to bring to a grand archive of the world's knowledge, as I said in my post. There would be lots of damaged, destroyed books but there are many around there that would be intact at least partially. Any scraps of the old world's knowledge will be good to save, because even with the little preserved it can help for people in the future to rediscover human history from the various books and the accounts of those who would write their knowledge down.


This might be eurocentric, but moisture is a very big problem. Water can get through anything, not even the debris of former buildings will be able to protect those books. As ive said, collecting enough books within a reasonable range and timeframe, to fill one room is very ambitious.

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Postby Arcturus Novus » Wed May 13, 2015 5:23 pm

Probably something along the lines of Caesar's Legion, but with less slaves and crucifixion. And less getting killed by delivery boys. And no murderous expansionism.

...okay, I just want a country that speaks Latin.
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Postby Communist Volkstrad » Wed May 13, 2015 5:27 pm

Draakonite wrote:
Communist Volkstrad wrote:Yeah, I'd be looking for those to collect myself to bring to a grand archive of the world's knowledge, as I said in my post. There would be lots of damaged, destroyed books but there are many around there that would be intact at least partially. Any scraps of the old world's knowledge will be good to save, because even with the little preserved it can help for people in the future to rediscover human history from the various books and the accounts of those who would write their knowledge down.


This might be eurocentric, but moisture is a very big problem. Water can get through anything, not even the debris of former buildings will be able to protect those books. As ive said, collecting enough books within a reasonable range and timeframe, to fill one room is very ambitious.

I intend to get as many as possible once the shit hits the fan. I don't know if moisture will be too much of a problem once the Nuclear Apocalypse happens. I live in Florida, so it can get pretty wet at times. I suppose it depends on the buildings where they're stored in and how much of said structures are intact. I have a good number of books on the shelf right next to me, and presuming they survive it can be a decent start. Even damaged books can be useful, because I can copy what survived and store the original text in the archives.
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Postby Diopolis » Wed May 13, 2015 5:27 pm

Arcturus Novus wrote:Probably something along the lines of Caesar's Legion, but with less slaves and crucifixion. And less getting killed by delivery boys. And no murderous expansionism.

...okay, I just want a country that speaks Latin.

Would you be happy with my "Latin is the language of administration so we don't have to force the peasants to change their language" state?
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Postby Arcturus Novus » Wed May 13, 2015 5:30 pm

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Arcturus Novus wrote:Probably something along the lines of Caesar's Legion, but with less slaves and crucifixion. And less getting killed by delivery boys. And no murderous expansionism.

...okay, I just want a country that speaks Latin.

Would you be happy with my "Latin is the language of administration so we don't have to force the peasants to change their language" state?

No. Lingua Latina or die.

Okay, not really. It'd probably be like the early Middle Ages where Latin is the tongue of the nobility and the erudite. The working classes can speak their native tongue, but they need to learn Latin for the military.
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Postby The Flame Dawn » Wed May 13, 2015 5:30 pm

I would gladly create a cultural empire which expressed great freedoms to an extent. I would also establish a powerful military and use it to expand my influence if culture wasn't enough.

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