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Postby Old Tyrannia » Wed May 13, 2015 1:42 pm

Assuming that I didn't die of starvation, disease, radiation poisoning, wild animal attack or being murdered by marauders, I'd establish a new ruling dynasty with myself as king. My aim would be to preserve as much of the cultural and scientific achievements of the pre-war civilisation as possible, and to that end I would gather together all of the surviving books that I could find into one big library. I'd build a society based on a love of knowledge and learning, respect for the natural world, and respect for one's superiors, coupled with a sense of strong obligation on the parts of the elite to the lower classes. Since this is presumably occurring in my home country I'd seek to preserve British traditions; in particular I'd attempt to revive and preserve the Church of England, which would also provide a strong religious incentive to obey royal authority, and form a parliament to which all of my subjects would be able to elect representatives to approve new laws and taxes. I'd also promote the teachings of Confucius, in particular his views on learning, government and the importance of ritual and proper social relations, which together with a strong Christian morality and a sense of civic duty would provide a stable moral foundation for my new civilisation. The culture of the new world would be influenced by my own personal interests. I'd combine elements of Medieval European, Classical Graeco-Roman and Imperial Chinese culture that I liked. A strong military would be a must in order to protect my civilisation from rival groups. Because feeding everyone would be the most immediate concern, society would be principally agrarian with each family group being granted a farmstead. There'd be a small town to serve as my capital, with the most talented and/or intelligent children being given the opportunity to join the bureaucracy or the military to help administer or defend my country.

I'd leave behind a charter establishing the inalienable principles of law in the new state- things like innocence before proven guilty, the right to a fair and open trial by jury, etc. This charter would also dictate the terms of succession, which would take the form of absolute primogeniture. It would also give parliament certain prerogatives such as the right to veto new taxes and establish a regency if the monarch is unsuitable/incapable of ruling. The nobility of the new state would be made up of talented ennobled individuals and their descendants, and the economy would be a distributist guild-based system.

Alternatively, I would track down Infected Mushroom and together we would build a society based on that of Westeros in Game of Thrones, with myself as the founder of House Stark, Warden of the North and Hand of the King. Thus satisfying both IM's bizarre obsession with GoT and my nostalgic desire for a romanticised, pre-industrial monarchy.
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Postby Nirvash Type TheEND » Wed May 13, 2015 1:48 pm

Establish a roving collective of hedonistic matriarchs.
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Wed May 13, 2015 2:05 pm

I'd probably try and set up a cult around me, just cuz. Other than that, it'd be a republic.
Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:Establish a roving collective of hedonistic matriarchs.

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Postby Napkiraly » Wed May 13, 2015 2:06 pm

Find the nearest PipBoy.

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Postby Nirvash Type TheEND » Wed May 13, 2015 2:15 pm

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:I'd probably try and set up a cult around me, just cuz. Other than that, it'd be a republic.
Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:Establish a roving collective of hedonistic matriarchs.

I...

I don't think I can fight this.

womyn stronk

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Postby Fanosolia » Wed May 13, 2015 2:19 pm

Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:Establish a roving collective of hedonistic matriarchs.


Can I just regardless of my gender? I'm all for Hedonism
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Wed May 13, 2015 2:20 pm

Napkiraly wrote:Find the nearest PipBoy.

Why would you want a replica of a video game item?
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Postby Threlizdun » Wed May 13, 2015 2:22 pm

I'd probably get overwhelmed by depression and kill myself. If the world today has the capacity to have made me suicidal before, I have no chance in the apocalypsye.
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Postby Napkiraly » Wed May 13, 2015 2:30 pm

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:Find the nearest PipBoy.

Why would you want a replica of a video game item?

Find myself around the Wastes.

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Postby United Marxist Nations » Wed May 13, 2015 2:32 pm

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:I'd probably try and set up a cult around me, just cuz. Other than that, it'd be a republic.
Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:Establish a roving collective of hedonistic matriarchs.

I...

I don't think I can fight this.

u r 2 wiek 4 the n33ds of r gl0r10s pe0/pol/
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Postby Draakonite » Wed May 13, 2015 2:35 pm

Old Tyrannia wrote:Assuming that I didn't die of starvation, disease, radiation poisoning, wild animal attack or being murdered by marauders, I'd establish a new ruling dynasty with myself as king. My aim would be to preserve as much of the cultural and scientific achievements of the pre-war civilisation as possible, and to that end I would gather together all of the surviving books that I could find into one big library. I'd build a society based on a love of knowledge and learning, respect for the natural world, and respect for one's superiors, coupled with a sense of strong obligation on the parts of the elite to the lower classes. Since this is presumably occurring in my home country I'd seek to preserve British traditions; in particular I'd attempt to revive and preserve the Church of England, which would also provide a strong religious incentive to obey royal authority, and form a parliament to which all of my subjects would be able to elect representatives to approve new laws and taxes. I'd also promote the teachings of Confucius, in particular his views on learning, government and the importance of ritual and proper social relations, which together with a strong Christian morality and a sense of civic duty would provide a stable moral foundation for my new civilisation. The culture of the new world would be influenced by my own personal interests. I'd combine elements of Medieval European, Classical Graeco-Roman and Imperial Chinese culture that I liked. A strong military would be a must in order to protect my civilisation from rival groups. Because feeding everyone would be the most immediate concern, society would be principally agrarian with each family group being granted a farmstead. There'd be a small town to serve as my capital, with the most talented and/or intelligent children being given the opportunity to join the bureaucracy or the military to help administer or defend my country.

I'd leave behind a charter establishing the inalienable principles of law in the new state- things like innocence before proven guilty, the right to a fair and open trial by jury, etc. This charter would also dictate the terms of succession, which would take the form of absolute primogeniture. It would also give parliament certain prerogatives such as the right to veto new taxes and establish a regency if the monarch is unsuitable/incapable of ruling. The nobility of the new state would be made up of talented ennobled individuals and their descendants, and the economy would be a distributist guild-based system.

Alternatively, I would track down Infected Mushroom and together we would build a society based on that of Westeros in Game of Thrones, with myself as the founder of House Stark, Warden of the North and Hand of the King. Thus satisfying both IM's bizarre obsession with GoT and my nostalgic desire for a romanticised, pre-industrial monarchy.


It will be about 20 years before you can even start society, because of year 0 death of the government + nuclear winter, year 1 90% population death due to starvation, the following years being dominated by very small (like 10 people max) groups of survivors fighting over canned food. The bulk of those survivors will be rednecks, or survivalists, if you prefer, which will have stashed 3000 rounds of ammo, but no education books.
The base of the society will be 40 year olds veteran who only know war, and 20 year olds who have been teached by them, so you can't build a complex society based on reasoning.
In addition, after 20 years every library will have collapsed (Hurray ferroconcrete) Every book will be rotten, every machine rusted, every stored data erased... If you want a functioning machine, it would had to been drowned in a preserving agent, something which isn't done on a regular basis... or ever.
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Postby Old Tyrannia » Wed May 13, 2015 2:54 pm

Draakonite wrote:
Old Tyrannia wrote:Assuming that I didn't die of starvation, disease, radiation poisoning, wild animal attack or being murdered by marauders, I'd establish a new ruling dynasty with myself as king. My aim would be to preserve as much of the cultural and scientific achievements of the pre-war civilisation as possible, and to that end I would gather together all of the surviving books that I could find into one big library. I'd build a society based on a love of knowledge and learning, respect for the natural world, and respect for one's superiors, coupled with a sense of strong obligation on the parts of the elite to the lower classes. Since this is presumably occurring in my home country I'd seek to preserve British traditions; in particular I'd attempt to revive and preserve the Church of England, which would also provide a strong religious incentive to obey royal authority, and form a parliament to which all of my subjects would be able to elect representatives to approve new laws and taxes. I'd also promote the teachings of Confucius, in particular his views on learning, government and the importance of ritual and proper social relations, which together with a strong Christian morality and a sense of civic duty would provide a stable moral foundation for my new civilisation. The culture of the new world would be influenced by my own personal interests. I'd combine elements of Medieval European, Classical Graeco-Roman and Imperial Chinese culture that I liked. A strong military would be a must in order to protect my civilisation from rival groups. Because feeding everyone would be the most immediate concern, society would be principally agrarian with each family group being granted a farmstead. There'd be a small town to serve as my capital, with the most talented and/or intelligent children being given the opportunity to join the bureaucracy or the military to help administer or defend my country.

I'd leave behind a charter establishing the inalienable principles of law in the new state- things like innocence before proven guilty, the right to a fair and open trial by jury, etc. This charter would also dictate the terms of succession, which would take the form of absolute primogeniture. It would also give parliament certain prerogatives such as the right to veto new taxes and establish a regency if the monarch is unsuitable/incapable of ruling. The nobility of the new state would be made up of talented ennobled individuals and their descendants, and the economy would be a distributist guild-based system.

Alternatively, I would track down Infected Mushroom and together we would build a society based on that of Westeros in Game of Thrones, with myself as the founder of House Stark, Warden of the North and Hand of the King. Thus satisfying both IM's bizarre obsession with GoT and my nostalgic desire for a romanticised, pre-industrial monarchy.


It will be about 20 years before you can even start society, because of year 0 death of the government + nuclear winter, year 1 90% population death due to starvation, the following years being dominated by very small (like 10 people max) groups of survivors fighting over canned food. The bulk of those survivors will be rednecks, or survivalists, if you prefer, which will have stashed 3000 rounds of ammo, but no education books.
The base of the society will be 40 year olds veteran who only know war, and 20 year olds who have been teached by them, so you can't build a complex society based on reasoning.
In addition, after 20 years every library will have collapsed (Hurray ferroconcrete) Every book will be rotten, every machine rusted, every stored data erased... If you want a functioning machine, it would had to been drowned in a preserving agent, something which isn't done on a regular basis... or ever.

1) Yes, because 20 years is all it would take for every single book on the planet to be destroyed. 20 years is all it will take for every library in the world to collapse and for all the books to rot away. Except not. No one said the bloody things would be common, that's why I'm making it a priority to gather up any surviving books and take them somewhere safe ASAP.
2) Yes, because nuclear war will somehow remove people's capability to learn or reason. Besides, OP's scenario says that I am widely respected as a leader and people will do as I say. And I say we're building a society based on culture and learning. I want to know what sort of society you'd build, and why you hate civilisation so much.
3) I survived the nuclear holocaust, didn't I? If I can survive, then clearly not every survivor is a crazy survivalist. Most will be ordinary people who just got lucky. Hell, I don't even think that's a thing in the UK. If only survivalist rednecks will survive the coming apocalypse then only Americans will survive the coming apocalypse.
4) Who said anything about machines? I'm assuming, like everyone else in this thread, there will be no machines remaining, so books will be our only source of knowledge and information from the old world.
5) Also, what's complex about a society consisting of a king, some agricultural labourers, a small defence force and a small group of officials to assist the king? I think it's a fairly straightforward set up. It worked for the Anglo-Saxons.
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Wed May 13, 2015 2:56 pm

I would do my best to create a cooperative, close-knit society, communistic/mutualist that was able to defend itself from others while maintaining peace within itself.

Alternatively, I might form an ancient Norse-esque society that raided other groups while being equal and democratic in practice.
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Postby MERIZoC » Wed May 13, 2015 2:57 pm

You all know what I'd do.

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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Wed May 13, 2015 2:59 pm

Merizoc wrote:You all know what I'd do.

muh huntin n gatherins :p

Come on Merizoc, let's worship Woden and Frey and be vicious raiders together. We can steal all the shiny things, and be free, democratic, and drunk!
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Wed May 13, 2015 3:02 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:I'd probably try and set up a cult around me, just cuz. Other than that, it'd be a republic.

I...

I don't think I can fight this.

u r 2 wiek 4 the n33ds of r gl0r10s pe0/pol/

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Postby Korouse » Wed May 13, 2015 3:03 pm

What it once was.

Except without the war and violence and stuff.
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Postby Vareiln » Wed May 13, 2015 3:04 pm

Start a Catholic mission in the middle of a desert.

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Postby Crezilivion » Wed May 13, 2015 3:05 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:<Take a guess.


Yeah, I'd make it similar to my nation.
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Postby Fanosolia » Wed May 13, 2015 3:08 pm

Vareiln wrote:Start a Catholic mission in the middle of a desert.


"Praise the holy flame." :p
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Postby Diopolis » Wed May 13, 2015 3:10 pm

Create a strictly Catholic, distributist society headed by a (divine-right)monarchy advised by a body of guilds. Use Latin as the language of governance, but leave it up to the people what language they speak at home.
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Postby Mandicoria » Wed May 13, 2015 3:11 pm

I'd shoot myself so I'd get a quick death as opposed to radiation sickness.
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Postby New Reutlingen » Wed May 13, 2015 3:12 pm

Practically, if I had the power to make a new nation, I'd just make it under the ideals of what Nazi Germany was, but with a lot less holocausting and less warmongering.

Instead of me being the one true power of the nation, I'd hold elections for 3 political advisers, and hand pick 2 more. Of course they wouldn't have absolute control of the nation, but they'd help prevent me from making stupid decisions.

However, I would only make this nation if I was about five years older and had better historical and political understanding. I'm learning more and more every day, and my mind is still young.

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Postby Apple-Loosa » Wed May 13, 2015 3:13 pm

Raid and loot. Do what's necessary for survival.

We'd form a small community; a merry band of raiders.

Keep on raiding and looting.

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Postby Reddogkeno101 » Wed May 13, 2015 3:21 pm

Well I'd set up an Empire and conquer as much as possible with a rather left-wing economic and social policy. Then, I would write out my manifesto and hand it down in the generations so that one day my plan of World Domination could be achieved and, when ready for it and intelligent enough for it, democracy could be installed. Then we could create an intergalactic democracy.
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