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America Becoming Less Christian: Good or Bad?

Good
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20%
Bad
39
9%
Great
85
20%
Horrible
30
7%
We're All Doomed
24
6%
We're All Saved
47
11%
Don't Care
110
26%
 
Total votes : 417

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Postby Salandriagado » Tue May 12, 2015 4:39 pm

New Reutlingen wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:Part of National Socialism's most basic form is racial purity. Quit with the bullshit, you even deny the Holocaust.


Doesn't mean I hate them. It just means I'd rather have my own secluded nation (or hugbox, if you will) without them.

Dyakovo wrote:Yeah, it really does...


Then you have a lot to learn about National Socialism.


Anyways, is this still considered on topic? I'm not entirely sure, and I want to be able to get back on the tracks before it's too late.


Nah, this is pretty off-topic. Might want to split it off into a new thread if you want to continue this discussion.
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Postby Benuty » Tue May 12, 2015 4:40 pm

Salandriagado wrote:
New Reutlingen wrote:
Doesn't mean I hate them. It just means I'd rather have my own secluded nation (or hugbox, if you will) without them.



Then you have a lot to learn about National Socialism.


Anyways, is this still considered on topic? I'm not entirely sure, and I want to be able to get back on the tracks before it's too late.


Nah, this is pretty off-topic. Might want to split it off into a new thread if you want to continue this discussion.

I have an idea for what it should be called, Cringeworthy posts NSG edition.
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Tue May 12, 2015 4:41 pm

New Reutlingen wrote:Why should I put effort into something that I don't want?

So other people don't die from common treatable diseases or starve because they're fucking disabled? You realize National Socialism is pretty fucking pro-welfare, and well, socialistic ideas, right?

Adolf Hitler wrote:Don't tell me, all right, but it's still a bother to do all this collecting. You have never known hunger, or else you would know what a bother it is to be hungry.


Know your damn ideology.
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That didn't take long to get racist.
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Postby Scomagia » Tue May 12, 2015 4:41 pm

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Scomagia wrote:Where are you drawing this conclusion from? Atheists, being humans, are far from reasonable. Many of them are, in fact, superstitious, as well.


It is still a work in progress.

A work that will never be finished. Being irreligious doesn't make you any more reasonable than religious folks.
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Tue May 12, 2015 4:42 pm

Benuty wrote:I have an idea for what it should be called, Cringeworthy posts NSG edition.

I'd prefer "Dangerous and Evil Posts."
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Postby Cedoria » Tue May 12, 2015 4:43 pm

As an Atheist (with nothing against those who aren't) I say that this is a good thing for America.

Keep it coming Yanks:)
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Postby Imperial Esplanade » Tue May 12, 2015 4:44 pm

I'm reading some of these posts, and so many of them are ABSOLUTELY. HILARIOUS.

I never would've imagine that a world full of so many Christians could end up having so many of you not having the slightest clue about what Christianity is all about.

Least of all, most of whom here are from a country of 70% Christians largely knowing more about the Khardishians and the Jenners than about the Bible or Christian history.

:rofl:
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Postby Scomagia » Tue May 12, 2015 4:44 pm

Cedoria wrote:As an Atheist (with nothing against those who aren't) I say that this is a good thing for America.

Keep it coming Yanks:)

Why is it good?
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Postby Benuty » Tue May 12, 2015 4:45 pm

Imperial Esplanade wrote:I'm reading some of these posts, and so many of them are ABSOLUTELY. HILARIOUS.

I never would've imagine that a world full of so many Christians could end up having so many of you not having the slightest clue about what Christianity is all about.

Least of all, most of whom here are from a country of 70% Christians largely knowing more about the Khardishians and the Jenners than about the Bible or Christian history.

:rofl:

Calling America the world is a little ambitious.
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Postby Imperial Esplanade » Tue May 12, 2015 4:54 pm

Benuty wrote:
Imperial Esplanade wrote:I'm reading some of these posts, and so many of them are ABSOLUTELY. HILARIOUS.

I never would've imagine that a world full of so many Christians could end up having so many of you not having the slightest clue about what Christianity is all about.

Least of all, most of whom here are from a country of 70% Christians largely knowing more about the Khardishians and the Jenners than about the Bible or Christian history.

:rofl:

Calling America the world is a little ambitious.


Considering 2.1 billion of the globe's population is Christian, no it really isn't.

Besides, I never once called 'America the World' buddy. ;)
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Postby Benuty » Tue May 12, 2015 5:04 pm

Imperial Esplanade wrote:
Benuty wrote:Calling America the world is a little ambitious.


Considering 2.1 billion of the globe's population is Christian, no it really isn't.

Besides, I never once called 'America the World' buddy. ;)

You said a world full of Christians, and then it went all the way to the U.S.

Incredibly ambitious.
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Postby Big Jim P » Tue May 12, 2015 5:28 pm

Scomagia wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
It is still a work in progress.

A work that will never be finished. Being irreligious doesn't make you any more reasonable than religious folks.


Not believing in an unprovable sky-fairy and outdated myths is, in fact, (and inherently) the more reasonable stance.
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Postby Imperial Esplanade » Tue May 12, 2015 5:29 pm

Benuty wrote:
Imperial Esplanade wrote:
Considering 2.1 billion of the globe's population is Christian, no it really isn't.

Besides, I never once called 'America the World' buddy. ;)

You said a world full of Christians, and then it went all the way to the U.S.

Incredibly ambitious.


There are 2.1 billion Christians in the world, and 70% of this country identifies themselves as Christian. Period, these are the facts.

Yet most in this country, despite being 70% Christian, hardly have any accurate knowledge on what Christianity teaches or even its' history at the basic, fundamental level. Considering the fact that there are so many other Christians across the globe, it's all the more alarming that we're collectively this stupid on the subject. I don't understand how you could've possibly misunderstood my point, but congratulations. :clap:
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Postby Big Jim P » Tue May 12, 2015 5:29 pm

Imperial Esplanade wrote:I'm reading some of these posts, and so many of them are ABSOLUTELY. HILARIOUS.

I never would've imagine that a world full of so many Christians could end up having so many of you not having the slightest clue about what Christianity is all about.

Least of all, most of whom here are from a country of 70% Christians largely knowing more about the Khardishians and the Jenners than about the Bible or Christian history.

:rofl:


The funniest thing is that the atheists often know more about the bible than the christians.
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Postby Benuty » Tue May 12, 2015 5:34 pm

Imperial Esplanade wrote:
Benuty wrote:You said a world full of Christians, and then it went all the way to the U.S.

Incredibly ambitious.


There are 2.1 billion Christians in the world, and 70% of this country identifies themselves as Christian. Period, these are the facts.

Yet most in this country, despite being 70% Christian, hardly have any accurate knowledge on what Christianity teaches or even its' history at the basic, fundamental level. Considering the fact that there are so many other Christians across the globe, it's all the more alarming that we're collectively this stupid on the subject. I don't understand how you could've possibly misunderstood my point, but congratulations. :clap:

Most of what?

The Protestants, Catholics, Orthodoxy, and the Restorationists aren't all a hive mind as history clearly demonstrates. Whether or not the Christian sects across the globe are either ill informed, or not is hardly reflective of the U.S. So no there wasn't a misunderstanding at all so congratulations I can make tautologous posts too. :clap:
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Postby The Sons of Adam » Tue May 12, 2015 5:39 pm

Has the shitstorm ended?

Or more shit to come?!

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Postby Benuty » Tue May 12, 2015 5:40 pm

The Sons of Adam wrote:Has the shitstorm ended?

Or more shit to come?!

I wasn't aware the sewage pipes broke?
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Postby Imperial Esplanade » Tue May 12, 2015 5:47 pm

Benuty wrote:
Imperial Esplanade wrote:
There are 2.1 billion Christians in the world, and 70% of this country identifies themselves as Christian. Period, these are the facts.

Yet most in this country, despite being 70% Christian, hardly have any accurate knowledge on what Christianity teaches or even its' history at the basic, fundamental level. Considering the fact that there are so many other Christians across the globe, it's all the more alarming that we're collectively this stupid on the subject. I don't understand how you could've possibly misunderstood my point, but congratulations. :clap:

Most of what?

The Protestants, Catholics, Orthodoxy, and the Restorationists aren't all a hive mind as history clearly demonstrates. Whether or not the Christian sects across the globe are either ill informed, or not is hardly reflective of the U.S. So no there wasn't a misunderstanding at all so congratulations I can make tautologous posts too. :clap:


:eyebrow:

I didn't divulge into the specifics, because it should be common sense. Every denomination has different interpretations, but it's all over the specifics of a couple key things... yet they're all Christian afterall and largely agree on pretty much everything except for those few small (albeit important) details. They're not a hive mind, of course not, but all the disagreements are incredibly minor.

You're swinging and whiffing on the point about the world's Christians' being ill-informed, all Christians across the globe are equally guilty of it... yet, since most here are Christians and are Americans, most of the comments I'm talking about are of American Christians. Who do you think I should be addressing here instead, if not predominantly American Christians?
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Postby Nierra » Tue May 12, 2015 5:49 pm

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Postby The Sons of Adam » Tue May 12, 2015 5:55 pm

Nierra wrote:The don't care majority has restored my faith in NSG

It isn't a majority. It is just like actual Christianity in Europe/America's future: The largest minority.

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Postby Benuty » Tue May 12, 2015 5:57 pm

Imperial Esplanade wrote:
Benuty wrote:Most of what?

The Protestants, Catholics, Orthodoxy, and the Restorationists aren't all a hive mind as history clearly demonstrates. Whether or not the Christian sects across the globe are either ill informed, or not is hardly reflective of the U.S. So no there wasn't a misunderstanding at all so congratulations I can make tautologous posts too. :clap:


:eyebrow:

I didn't divulge into the specifics, because it should be common sense. Every denomination has different interpretations, but it's all over the specifics of a couple key things... yet they're all Christian afterall and largely agree on pretty much everything except for those few small (albeit important) details. They're not a hive mind, of course not, but all the disagreements are incredibly minor.

You're swinging and whiffing on the point about the world's Christians' being ill-informed, all Christians across the globe are equally guilty of it... yet, since most here are Christians and are Americans, most of the comments I'm talking about are of American Christians. Who do you think I should be addressing here instead, if not predominantly American Christians?


They aren't entirely minor given most Christian denominations do not believe in becoming a god of your own world. As for the worlds remaining percentage of Christians being ill-informed I don't think that is how they perceive it. Especially the Miaphysite who have been in countries along the Nile, Syria, and Armenia before Islam was a twinkle in Muhammad's eye. Given their status of being essentially on the retreat since Egypt has made them a minority, and Ethiopia is caught between less the friendly neighbors knowledge is their most powerful asset.
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Postby Nierra » Tue May 12, 2015 6:02 pm

The Sons of Adam wrote:
Nierra wrote:The don't care majority has restored my faith in NSG

It isn't a majority. It is just like actual Christianity in Europe/America's future: The largest minority.


My point is people shouldn't be caring in general about any of this stuff, it's not like Christianity is evil or christian people are irrational. But, it's also not like what makes the world go round.

The result - I don't care.
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Postby The Merchant Republics » Tue May 12, 2015 6:12 pm

An unsurprising result, it is hardly surprising that there is a declining interest in religion and declining relevance to it in our society, it has been a common theme of society for decades.

As a Christian, this is of course unhappy news; I hate to think of the many people living the faith either out of disinterest or as often is the case being driven away by bad theology, but there is an element that much of the "Christians" we are losing are those that never really counted themselves as such, people who only believed because it was what they were brought up in and so they felt it necessary to call themselves such.

As atheism becomes more publicly recognized and publicly accepted we will of course see more people that tread the line of Christianity out of social pressure leaving. This is not a bad thing. Culture Christians who practice Christian ethics without fostering a genuine relationship with God are not really meaningfully deserving of the title Christian, and if they would prefer the moniker humanist or atheist, I can hardly see a reason to not let them go.

I worry about what will happen in the generations after Christendom, for now we still loom in it's shadows and almost all of us were if not raised on them, remain highly exposed to them. In the growth of modern humanism I to quote the good book, I have a fear that these ethics are a house built on sand. That won't stand the test of meaningful challenge, and that what will come as the foundations crumble beneath it especially as it amounts to the atomization of the community will be a much crueller world.
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Postby Nierra » Tue May 12, 2015 6:16 pm

The Merchant Republics wrote:An unsurprising result, it is hardly surprising that there is a declining interest in religion and declining relevance to it in our society, it has been a common theme of society for decades.

As a Christian, this is of course unhappy news; I hate to think of the many people living the faith either out of disinterest or as often is the case being driven away by bad theology, but there is an element that much of the "Christians" we are losing are those that never really counted themselves as such, people who only believed because it was what they were brought up in and so they felt it necessary to call themselves such.

As atheism becomes more publicly recognized and publicly accepted we will of course see more people that tread the line of Christianity out of social pressure leaving. This is not a bad thing. Culture Christians who practice Christian ethics without fostering a genuine relationship with God are not really meaningfully deserving of the title Christian, and if they would prefer the moniker humanist or atheist, I can hardly see a reason to not let them go.

I worry about what will happen in the generations after Christendom, for now we still loom in it's shadows and almost all of us were if not raised on them, remain highly exposed to them. In the growth of modern humanism I to quote the good book, I have a fear that these ethics are a house built on sand. That won't stand the test of meaningful challenge, and that what will come as the foundations crumble beneath it especially as it amounts to the atomization of the community will be a much crueller world.


So you think a country has to be religious to be stable?
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Postby Genivaria » Tue May 12, 2015 6:26 pm

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I worry about what will happen in the generations after Christendom, for now we still loom in it's shadows and almost all of us were if not raised on them, remain highly exposed to them. In the growth of modern humanism I to quote the good book, I have a fear that these ethics are a house built on sand. That won't stand the test of meaningful challenge, and that what will come as the foundations crumble beneath it especially as it amounts to the atomization of the community will be a much crueller world.

That's okay, I think much the same of Biblical morality.
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