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America Becoming Less Christian: Good or Bad?

Good
82
20%
Bad
39
9%
Great
85
20%
Horrible
30
7%
We're All Doomed
24
6%
We're All Saved
47
11%
Don't Care
110
26%
 
Total votes : 417

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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Tue May 12, 2015 4:25 pm

New Reutlingen wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
So you admit that religion is essentially just a crutch for those lacking the ability to behave reasonably without being threatened into doing so?


You're saying that those who lack empathy do not act reasonably?

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Postby Dyakovo » Tue May 12, 2015 4:25 pm

Genivaria wrote:
New Reutlingen wrote:
Let it be noted that Sweden is one of the most non-religious countries in the world.

Please don't let us turn into another Sweden.




From what I've seen, the Christian morals are a good set of morals, considering that non-religious people typically have nothing to back up a standing of morals on.

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If they were more christian, they wouldn't have the problems of low crime and poverty, and high educational rates.
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Postby New Reutlingen » Tue May 12, 2015 4:25 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:Weird, since they're one of the happiest countries in the world and seem to be doing pretty damn well on most important international metrics.

Emphasis on SJW paradise.

So there is something very, very, very wrong with that country. Who knew such a nice place could be corrupted by such evil and bigotry.

It's not corrupted. It's just filled with idiots.

That's called being a sociopath.

Not having empathy for everyone all of the time makes you a sociopath?

Alright, doc. I guess my family, most of my friends, and I are all sociopaths.

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Postby Bezkoshtovnya » Tue May 12, 2015 4:26 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Wait are you referring to National Socialism as a good thing?

He's a self-proclaimed Holocaust-denying National Socialist so I'd say probably so.

Clearly national socialism has the best morals after all.
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Postby Genivaria » Tue May 12, 2015 4:27 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Wait are you referring to National Socialism as a good thing?

He's a self-proclaimed Holocaust-denying National Socialist so I'd say probably so.

Then his opinion on morality is irrelevant.
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Postby Salandriagado » Tue May 12, 2015 4:27 pm

New Reutlingen wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:Weird, since they're one of the happiest countries in the world and seem to be doing pretty damn well on most important international metrics.

Emphasis on SJW paradise.

So there is something very, very, very wrong with that country. Who knew such a nice place could be corrupted by such evil and bigotry.

It's not corrupted. It's just filled with idiots.

That's called being a sociopath.

Not having empathy for everyone all of the time makes you a sociopath?

Alright, doc. I guess my family, most of my friends, and I are all sociopaths.



Erm, yes. Lack of empathy for others is literally what "sociopathy" is.
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Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Tue May 12, 2015 4:28 pm

New Reutlingen wrote:Emphasis on SJW paradise.

Jesus Christ, what the fuck is your problem with people being happy and equal? Like what the holy fuck?

New Reutlingen wrote:It's not corrupted. It's just filled with idiots.

If there's a rise in National Socialism, you're obviously right.

New Reutlingen wrote:Not having empathy for everyone all of the time makes you a sociopath?

Alright, doc. I guess my family, most of my friends, and I are all sociopaths.

If you lack conscience and basic human empathy. You said it, not me.
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Tue May 12, 2015 4:29 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:He's a self-proclaimed Holocaust-denying National Socialist so I'd say probably so.

Then his opinion on morality is irrelevant.

Yeah, guess we've established that.
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Postby Benuty » Tue May 12, 2015 4:29 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:He's a self-proclaimed Holocaust-denying National Socialist so I'd say probably so.

Then his opinion on morality is irrelevant.

Not irrelevant, just incredibly cringeworthy.
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Postby New Reutlingen » Tue May 12, 2015 4:31 pm

Salandriagado wrote:
New Reutlingen wrote:
You're saying that those who lack empathy do not act reasonably?


No. I have no clue what kind of failure of reading comprehension led you to the conclusion that I said anything like that.



However: yes, that's true, in general. Very few people lack empathy, and almost all of them do not act reasonably.


Me:
And of course, not all of us have such strong empathy as to feel the need to care for everyone and put everyone above ourselves. Religion works well for this in a place of morality backing.

You:
So you admit that religion is essentially just a crutch for those lacking the ability to behave reasonably without being threatened into doing so?


Am I missing something?


Salandriagado wrote:Erm, yes. Lack of empathy for others is literally what "sociopathy" is.


I'll avoid calling myself a sociopath and continue to refer to myself as "someone who just doesn't give a shit", if that's alright.


Prussia-Steinbach wrote:Jesus Christ, what the fuck is your problem with people being happy and equal? Like what the holy fuck?

Because, for everyone to be happy and equal everyone has to put in some sort of effort to the cause to make it happen. Whether it be community contribution, or a heavy tax burden because you did good in school, a sjw ridden nation just takes too much from the people who don't want it.
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Postby Scomagia » Tue May 12, 2015 4:31 pm

Big Jim P wrote:Reason is replacing superstition. It is called progress.

Where are you drawing this conclusion from? Atheists, being humans, are far from reasonable. Many of them are, in fact, superstitious, as well.
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Postby Big Jim P » Tue May 12, 2015 4:32 pm

Benuty wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Then his opinion on morality is irrelevant.

Not irrelevant, just incredibly cringeworthy.


Funny that someone who is pro-National Socialist advocates basing morality off a book of old Jewish myths.
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Postby Autem Galacticus Nexum » Tue May 12, 2015 4:33 pm

Olthar wrote:Perhaps in 20-40 years or so, Christianity can become a powerless minority group impotently wailing against science and the forward march of progress.


Hey, a girl can dream.


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Postby Big Jim P » Tue May 12, 2015 4:33 pm

Scomagia wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:Reason is replacing superstition. It is called progress.

Where are you drawing this conclusion from? Atheists, being humans, are far from reasonable. Many of them are, in fact, superstitious, as well.


It is still a work in progress.
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Postby Salandriagado » Tue May 12, 2015 4:33 pm

New Reutlingen wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
No. I have no clue what kind of failure of reading comprehension led you to the conclusion that I said anything like that.



However: yes, that's true, in general. Very few people lack empathy, and almost all of them do not act reasonably.


Me:
And of course, not all of us have such strong empathy as to feel the need to care for everyone and put everyone above ourselves. Religion works well for this in a place of morality backing.

You:
So you admit that religion is essentially just a crutch for those lacking the ability to behave reasonably without being threatened into doing so?


Am I missing something?


You declared that the advantage of religion is that it makes people behave reasonably who otherwise wouldn't do so (and you used those lacking in empathy as an example). I noted this fact.


Salandriagado wrote:Erm, yes. Lack of empathy for others is literally what "sociopathy" is.


I'll avoid calling myself a sociopath and continue to refer to myself as "someone who just doesn't give a shit", if that's alright.


Call yourself what you like. It makes no actual difference.
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Anachronous Rex wrote:Good thing most a majority of people aren't so small-minded, and frightened of other's sexuality.

Over 40% (including me), are, so I fixed the post for accuracy.

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Salandriagado wrote:
Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

(read up the quote stack)

Deal. £3000 do?[/quote]

Of course.[/quote]

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Postby New Reutlingen » Tue May 12, 2015 4:33 pm

Big Jim P wrote:
Benuty wrote:Not irrelevant, just incredibly cringeworthy.


Funny that someone who is pro-National Socialist advocates basing morality off a book of old Jewish myths.


Just because you're NatSoc doesn't mean you have to hate Jews. My step-sister is a practicing Jew.

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Postby Scomagia » Tue May 12, 2015 4:33 pm

New Reutlingen wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
Religion is not a requirement for morality.


It's not a requirement, no, but a strong religion (like Christianity) certainly does push for stronger morals.

Philosophy pushes for stronger morals than religion does.
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Tue May 12, 2015 4:33 pm

New Reutlingen wrote:I'll avoid calling myself a sociopath and continue to refer to myself as "someone who just doesn't give a shit", if that's alright.

You can avoid doing it but you've basically admitted it a couple of times now. Just saying.

New Reutlingen wrote:Because, for everyone to be happy and equal everyone has to put in some sort of effort to the cause to make it happen. Whether it be community contribution, or a heavy tax burden because you did good in school, a sjw ridden nation just takes too much from the people who don't want it.

And God forbid people put effort into something? I'm not even seeing a single shred of logic here. Like, there's not even fallacious logic or circular reasoning, you just aren't making an argument in any understandable way.
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Postby Bezkoshtovnya » Tue May 12, 2015 4:34 pm

New Reutlingen wrote:Because, for everyone to be happy and equal everyone has to put in some sort of effort to the cause to make it happen. Whether it be community contribution, or a heavy tax burden because you did good in school, a sjw ridden nation just takes too much from the people who don't want it.

Correction, that is what YOU think everyone needs to be happy, and it is your conjecture that they don't want it.
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Tue May 12, 2015 4:35 pm

New Reutlingen wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
Funny that someone who is pro-National Socialist advocates basing morality off a book of old Jewish myths.


Just because you're NatSoc doesn't mean you have to hate Jews. My step-sister is a practicing Jew.

Part of National Socialism's most basic form is racial purity. Quit with the bullshit, you even deny the Holocaust.
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Postby Big Jim P » Tue May 12, 2015 4:35 pm

New Reutlingen wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
Funny that someone who is pro-National Socialist advocates basing morality off a book of old Jewish myths.


Just because you're NatSoc doesn't mean you have to hate Jews. My step-sister is a practicing Jew.


Then the NatSocs have a LOT of historical baggage that needs discarding.
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Postby New Reutlingen » Tue May 12, 2015 4:36 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:And God forbid people put effort into something? I'm not even seeing a single shred of logic here. Like, there's not even fallacious logic or circular reasoning, you just aren't making an argument in any understandable way.


Why should I put effort into something that I don't want? Why should I give away all of my hard earn money so that way Tyrone who skipped all day in middle-school and dropped out in high school can have near the same amount of money as me? Why should I put in the effort to go to community service and clean up a neighborhood that was trashed by thugs who aren't going to give anything back?

Social Justice: the social ideology where the "privileged" have to do everything for those who aren't.

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Postby Dyakovo » Tue May 12, 2015 4:36 pm

New Reutlingen wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
Funny that someone who is pro-National Socialist advocates basing morality off a book of old Jewish myths.


Just because you're NatSoc doesn't mean you have to hate Jews. My step-sister is a practicing Jew.

Yeah, it really does...
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Postby The Orson Empire » Tue May 12, 2015 4:36 pm

New Reutlingen wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:And God forbid people put effort into something? I'm not even seeing a single shred of logic here. Like, there's not even fallacious logic or circular reasoning, you just aren't making an argument in any understandable way.


Why should I put effort into something that I don't want? Why should I give away all of my hard earn money so that way Tyrone who skipped all day in middle-school and dropped out in high school can have near the same amount of money as me? Why should I put in the effort to go to community service and clean up a neighborhood that was trashed by thugs who aren't going to give anything back?

Social Justice: the social ideology where the "privileged" have to do everything for those who aren't.

You clearly do not understand what social justice is, then.

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Postby New Reutlingen » Tue May 12, 2015 4:37 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:Part of National Socialism's most basic form is racial purity. Quit with the bullshit, you even deny the Holocaust.


Doesn't mean I hate them. It just means I'd rather have my own secluded nation (or hugbox, if you will) without them.

Dyakovo wrote:
New Reutlingen wrote:
Just because you're NatSoc doesn't mean you have to hate Jews. My step-sister is a practicing Jew.

Yeah, it really does...


Then you have a lot to learn about National Socialism.


Anyways, is this still considered on topic? I'm not entirely sure, and I want to be able to get back on the tracks before it's too late.
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