LGBT Rights & Issues Thread, V3

[Benuty]

It is not like people haven't performed socially acceptable self mutilation in the name of faith. Such as those who crucify themselves yearly in the Phillipines (obviously they live).

The transition isn't self-mutilation, though. It is making your body conform to your identity. The transition is basically a cure to dysphoria at even remote levels, because then the body is completely conformed to the identity. Although, not all transgenders transition; either because they can't afford it [main reason, I think]; or they view the surgery as it is today as not being good enough, and believe we need to wait for better technology, but they'd like to transition.

There could be numerous other reasons. But those are the ones I can think of that they wouldn't get the transition, other than forced repression [which will cause ever-worsening dysphoria and depression].

I didn't say it was, but in the context of how UMN was potentially defining it itried to counter that.

[United Marxist Nations]

That's a practice that should be stopped as well.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crucifi ... hilippines

Not likely to happen.

Considering I'm a semi-theocratic socialist, I don't think my views are really based on what is likely to happen or not.

[Nature-Spirits]

It is not like people haven't performed socially acceptable self mutilation in the name of faith. Such as those who crucify themselves yearly in the Phillipines (obviously they live).

That's a practice that should be stopped as well.

What about piercings? One could make an argument for them being self-mutilation. Do you think people shouldn't get piercings, even if it makes them happy?

[Benuty]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crucifi ... hilippines

Not likely to happen.

Considering I'm a semi-theocratic socialist, I don't think my views are really based on what is likely to happen or not.

Well you never know.

[The V O I D]

The transition isn't self-mutilation, though. It is making your body conform to your identity. The transition is basically a cure to dysphoria at even remote levels, because then the body is completely conformed to the identity. Although, not all transgenders transition; either because they can't afford it [main reason, I think]; or they view the surgery as it is today as not being good enough, and believe we need to wait for better technology, but they'd like to transition.

There could be numerous other reasons. But those are the ones I can think of that they wouldn't get the transition, other than forced repression [which will cause ever-worsening dysphoria and depression].

I didn't say it was, but in the context of how UMN was potentially defining it itried to counter that.

Oh. Sorry, misread your post.

[United Marxist Nations]

That's a practice that should be stopped as well.

What about piercings? One could make an argument for them being self-mutilation. Do you think people shouldn't get piercings, even if it makes them happy?

Piercings rarely interfere with the proper functioning of the body part (though, in the case of piercing certain body parts, they would definitely be self-mutilation).

[Anywhere Else But Here]

Look at all these disgusting people who've mutilated themselves. Worst sort of scum.

[Benuty]

Look at all these disgusting people who've mutilated themselves. Worst sort of scum.

Not enough flagellation before Mary.

[Linux and the X]

I find it strange to compare something that causes harm to nobody to an action that causes death to oneself and emotional harm to many others.

I think it's basically self-mutilation, but I am willing to allow it in dire circumstances.

It's not, though.

[Nature-Spirits]

What about piercings? One could make an argument for them being self-mutilation. Do you think people shouldn't get piercings, even if it makes them happy?

Piercings rarely interfere with the proper functioning of the body part (though, in the case of piercing certain body parts, they would definitely be self-mutilation).

Well if you're using proper functioning as a metric, SRS arguably can make a trans person's genitals perform better than previously. Many trans people aren't emotionally able to use their natal genitals for anything, and SRS allows them to use them.

[United Marxist Nations]

Piercings rarely interfere with the proper functioning of the body part (though, in the case of piercing certain body parts, they would definitely be self-mutilation).

Well if you're using proper functioning as a metric, SRS arguably can make a trans person's genitals perform better than previously. Many trans people aren't emotionally able to use their natal genitals for anything, and SRS allows them to use them.

For entertainment, basically, and entertainment alone. It doesn't function for what genitals are really supposed to do, because one given by SRS isn't an actual penis/vagina.

[Shonburg]

Well if you're using proper functioning as a metric, SRS arguably can make a trans person's genitals perform better than previously. Many trans people aren't emotionally able to use their natal genitals for anything, and SRS allows them to use them.

For entertainment, basically, and entertainment alone. It doesn't function for what genitals are really supposed to do, because one given by SRS isn't an actual penis/vagina.

Not yet anyway. And what about sterile men and women? Men with ED?

[United Marxist Nations]

For entertainment, basically, and entertainment alone. It doesn't function for what genitals are really supposed to do, because one given by SRS isn't an actual penis/vagina.

Not yet anyway. And what about sterile men and women? Men with ED?

I think, yes, that that isn't proper functioning.

[Shonburg]

Not yet anyway. And what about sterile men and women? Men with ED?

I think, yes, that that isn't proper functioning.

So what do you think of sterile men and women who have sex?

[Nature-Spirits]

Not yet anyway. And what about sterile men and women? Men with ED?

I think, yes, that that isn't proper functioning.

So you're saying that sterile people's genitals aren't "real" either? Because to have a "real" penis or vagina you have to be able to use it for reproduction?

Also, just saying, infant circumcision is far more mutilative than SRS is.

[United Marxist Nations]

I think, yes, that that isn't proper functioning.

So what do you think of sterile men and women who have sex?

I think they probably shouldn't, but if they repent, then it is between them and God.

[Nature-Spirits]

So what do you think of sterile men and women who have sex?

I think they probably shouldn't, but if they repent, then it is between them and God.

Repent for what? Having sex for pleasure?

[United Marxist Nations]

I think, yes, that that isn't proper functioning.

So you're saying that sterile people's genitals aren't "real" either? Because to have a "real" penis or vagina you have to be able to use it for reproduction?

Also, just saying, infant circumcision is far more mutilative than SRS is.

I think their genitals are real, but I think they are defective. The genitals of a person who has gotten SRS don't even possess the proper anatomy. They are an extensive cosmetic surgery.

[Anywhere Else But Here]

So what do you think of sterile men and women who have sex?

I think they probably shouldn't, but if they repent, then it is between them and God.

For someone who calls themselves a socialist, you seem oddly eager to screw over those less fortunate than you.

[United Marxist Nations]

I think they probably shouldn't, but if they repent, then it is between them and God.

Repent for what? Having sex for pleasure?

Yes, I think it is probably sinful.

[United Marxist Nations]

I think they probably shouldn't, but if they repent, then it is between them and God.

For someone who calls themselves a socialist, you seem oddly eager to screw over those less fortunate than you.

If the sterile people are married, it is fine, because marriage is partly for the purpose of diverting lust, though it is also for the purpose of reproduction.

[Nature-Spirits]

So you're saying that sterile people's genitals aren't "real" either? Because to have a "real" penis or vagina you have to be able to use it for reproduction?

Also, just saying, infant circumcision is far more mutilative than SRS is.

I think their genitals are real, but I think they are defective. The genitals of a person who has gotten SRS don't even possess the proper anatomy. They are an extensive cosmetic surgery.

Alright, what if trans women could get pregnant and give birth? Would they have vaginas then? (This is actually far less hypothetical than you'd think, by the way; medical professionals are working on it.)

And I would like to hear your stance on infant circumcision, by the way. It serves essentially no purpose and removes a useful part of the body.

[Kannap]

Repent for what? Having sex for pleasure?

Yes, I think it is probably sinful.

You think?

Probably?

[Kannap]

For someone who calls themselves a socialist, you seem oddly eager to screw over those less fortunate than you.

If the sterile people are married, it is fine, because marriage is partly for the purpose of diverting lust, though it is also for the purpose of reproduction.

I really thought people got married to each other because they really love each other, not because they want to have children, but oh well.

[United Marxist Nations]

I think their genitals are real, but I think they are defective. The genitals of a person who has gotten SRS don't even possess the proper anatomy. They are an extensive cosmetic surgery.

Alright, what if trans women could get pregnant and give birth? Would they have vaginas then? (This is actually far less hypothetical than you'd think, by the way; medical professionals are working on it.)

And I would like to hear your stance on infant circumcision, by the way. It serves essentially no purpose and removes a useful part of the body.

Yes, I would be fine with it if such were the case.

Despite being circumcised myself, and generally being okay with it, I wouldn't have it done to someone unless it were a medical necessity.