LGBT Rights & Issues Thread, V3

[Sungai Pusat]

Well, if it become a communual sort of thing, then perhaps.

I think, as far as I know, that activism is a collective action and pornography isn't.

Unless you like to watch.

Well, I mean like if it's through a mediated source, like through a digital screen obviously.

Or I'm guessing that's what you're implying.

[The V O I D]

Unless you like to watch.

Well, I mean like if it's through a mediated source, like through a digital screen obviously.

Or I'm guessing that's what you're implying.

I was actually implying something else, but I won't say.

Anyways, I'm starting to strongly consider the possibility that I am, to some degree, bisexual; as I find some guys attractive... somewhat, to some degree... but only a few. I know for sure I am pan-romantic, and if not bi, I am hetero. Pan-romantic meaning I can have feelings for anyone, but my sexuality as to who I can be sexually with might be more limiting than that.

It's so goddamn confusing.

[Sungai Pusat]

Well, I mean like if it's through a mediated source, like through a digital screen obviously.

Or I'm guessing that's what you're implying.

I was actually implying something else, but I won't say.

Aye, okay then.

[The Princes of the Universe]

Anyways, I'm starting to strongly consider the possibility that I am, to some degree, bisexual; as I find some guys attractive... somewhat, to some degree... but only a few. I know for sure I am pan-romantic, and if not bi, I am hetero. Pan-romantic meaning I can have feelings for anyone, but my sexuality as to who I can be sexually with might be more limiting than that.
It's so goddamn confusing.

Life is confusing.

[Grenartia]

I think you're missing a minus sign somewhere there.

In a Christian sense, there is basically no such thing as a same-sex marriage. 2. It's an oxymoron.

1. Stop pretending like you and those who agree with you have a monopoly on Christian thought. You do not.

2. Maybe to you, but not to the rest of us.

[Grenartia]

Good for them. It's nice to see Christianity get more liberal, tradition be dammned.

Tradition is what the faith is based on. Disregarding it is basically blasphemy.

Bullshit. The faith is based on reform. How many times did Jesus disregard the traditional interpretation of scripture in favor of more practical, more productive solutions?

Just as we all now universally agree that slavery is and always has been bad, so we must confront the queerphobia in our religion.

[Nature-Spirits]

Well, I mean like if it's through a mediated source, like through a digital screen obviously.

Or I'm guessing that's what you're implying.

I was actually implying something else, but I won't say.

Anyways, I'm starting to strongly consider the possibility that I am, to some degree, bisexual; as I find some guys attractive... somewhat, to some degree... but only a few. I know for sure I am pan-romantic, and if not bi, I am hetero. Pan-romantic meaning I can have feelings for anyone, but my sexuality as to who I can be sexually with might be more limiting than that.

It's so goddamn confusing.

Hey, another mixed orientation person! Cool. I'm panromantic, too.

[United Marxist Nations]

Tradition is what the faith is based on. Disregarding it is basically blasphemy.

Bullshit. The faith is based on reform. How many times did Jesus disregard the traditional interpretation of scripture in favor of more practical, more productive solutions?

Just as we all now universally agree that slavery is and always has been bad, so we must confront the queerphobia in our religion.

If we don't rely on Holy Tradition, then how do we determine what to believe in at all?

[Dagashi]

In a Christian sense, there is basically no such thing as a same-sex marriage. 2. It's an oxymoron.

1. Stop pretending like you and those who agree with you have a monopoly on Christian thought. You do not.

2. Maybe to you, but not to the rest of us.

There is really no way else to interpret Scripture. The Abrahamic God hates homosexuality, he ordered innocent homosexuals stoned to death, and the New Testament makes it clear that homosexuality is unacceptable. Why any gay or trans person would try to embrace the cognitive dissonance of being a "queer Christian" is beyond me.

[Grenartia]

Bullshit. The faith is based on reform. How many times did Jesus disregard the traditional interpretation of scripture in favor of more practical, more productive solutions?

Just as we all now universally agree that slavery is and always has been bad, so we must confront the queerphobia in our religion.

If we don't rely on Holy Tradition, then how do we determine what to believe in at all?

Why do we need tradition to determine what to believe in?

[Grenartia]

1. Stop pretending like you and those who agree with you have a monopoly on Christian thought. You do not.

2. Maybe to you, but not to the rest of us.

There is really no way else to interpret Scripture. The Abrahamic God hates homosexuality, he ordered innocent homosexuals stoned to death, and the New Testament makes it clear that homosexuality is unacceptable. Why any gay or trans person would try to embrace the cognitive dissonance of being a "queer Christian" is beyond me.

You are only correct if you take the mistranslated and misinterpreted verses traditionally used to bash us, at face value.

[The V O I D]

I was actually implying something else, but I won't say.

Anyways, I'm starting to strongly consider the possibility that I am, to some degree, bisexual; as I find some guys attractive... somewhat, to some degree... but only a few. I know for sure I am pan-romantic, and if not bi, I am hetero. Pan-romantic meaning I can have feelings for anyone, but my sexuality as to who I can be sexually with might be more limiting than that.

It's so goddamn confusing.

Hey, another mixed orientation person! Cool. I'm panromantic, too.

If I'm panromantic and bisexual, that eases some of the tension and confusion. If I'm only panromantic and heterosexual, however, that keeps the tension/confusion running high. That being because I have the potential to have crushes on almost anyone I meet, emotionally speaking, but I would be more... sexually exclusive. I dunno.

Feel like my life would be easier if I weren't this way. Oh, well. Not like I can help it.

[United Marxist Nations]

In light of further contemplation on the issue, I am willing to moderate my stance of transition. If the only options are the person transitioning or committing suicide due to dysphoria, then I am willing to accept transition as a lesser evil.

[United Marxist Nations]

If we don't rely on Holy Tradition, then how do we determine what to believe in at all?

Why do we need tradition to determine what to believe in?

Because tradition is closest to the original beliefs that were passed to the Apostles.

[Linux and the X]

In light of further contemplation on the issue, I am willing to moderate my stance of transition. If the only options are the person transitioning or committing suicide due to dysphoria, then I am willing to accept transition as a lesser evil.

It's not a lesser evil; it's an absolute good.

[United Marxist Nations]

In light of further contemplation on the issue, I am willing to moderate my stance of transition. If the only options are the person transitioning or committing suicide due to dysphoria, then I am willing to accept transition as a lesser evil.

It's not a lesser evil; it's an absolute good.

We'll just have to agree to disagree on that.

[Linux and the X]

It's not a lesser evil; it's an absolute good.

We'll just have to agree to disagree on that.

Hmm… no.

[Philjia]

In light of further contemplation on the issue, I am willing to moderate my stance of transition. If the only options are the person transitioning or committing suicide due to dysphoria, then I am willing to accept transition as a lesser evil.

It's not a lesser evil; it's an absolute good.

Provided one takes an Epicurean view.

Which you should, because Epicurus was right.

[Kannap]

It's not a lesser evil; it's an absolute good. :)

We'll just have to agree to disagree on that. ;)

I find it strange to compare something that causes harm to nobody to an action that causes death to oneself and emotional harm to many others.

[United Marxist Nations]

We'll just have to agree to disagree on that.

I find it strange to compare something that causes harm to nobody to an action that causes death to oneself and emotional harm to many others.

I think it's basically self-mutilation, but I am willing to allow it in dire circumstances.

[Benuty]

I find it strange to compare something that causes harm to nobody to an action that causes death to oneself and emotional harm to many others.

I think it's basically self-mutilation, but I am willing to allow it in dire circumstances.

It is not like people haven't performed socially acceptable self mutilation in the name of faith. Such as those who crucify themselves yearly in the Phillipines (obviously they live).

[United Marxist Nations]

I think it's basically self-mutilation, but I am willing to allow it in dire circumstances.

It is not like people haven't performed socially acceptable self mutilation in the name of faith. Such as those who crucify themselves yearly in the Phillipines (obviously they live).

That's a practice that should be stopped as well.

[The V O I D]

I think it's basically self-mutilation, but I am willing to allow it in dire circumstances.

It is not like people haven't performed socially acceptable self mutilation in the name of faith. Such as those who crucify themselves yearly in the Phillipines (obviously they live).

The transition isn't self-mutilation, though. It is making your body conform to your identity. The transition is basically a cure to dysphoria at even remote levels, because then the body is completely conformed to the identity. Although, not all transgenders transition; either because they can't afford it [main reason, I think]; or they view the surgery as it is today as not being good enough, and believe we need to wait for better technology, but they'd like to transition.

There could be numerous other reasons. But those are the ones I can think of that they wouldn't get the transition, other than forced repression [which will cause ever-worsening dysphoria and depression].

[Nature-Spirits]

I find it strange to compare something that causes harm to nobody to an action that causes death to oneself and emotional harm to many others.

I think it's basically self-mutilation, but I am willing to allow it in dire circumstances.

Transition is not equivalent to surgery. Not every trans person wants to or has the means to undergo SRS. I, personally, would like to keep my penis. For people who want it, though, SRS can be a wonderful thing that drastically improves their quality of life.

[Benuty]

It is not like people haven't performed socially acceptable self mutilation in the name of faith. Such as those who crucify themselves yearly in the Phillipines (obviously they live).

That's a practice that should be stopped as well.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crucifi ... hilippines

Not likely to happen.