LGBT Rights & Issues Thread, V3

[United Marxist Nations]

I think that what is in the best interest of everybody is to follow Christian morality. It generally is a good foundation for life.

Christian morality ruined my fucking life. Do you know what it feels like when sadness is your normal fucking emotion? No? Then get the fuck out of here telling me whats fucking better for me. Your morality is the foundation of all my troubles. Its why childhood is something I want to forget and move on from and not cherish like most people do. So take your morality and shove it in someone elses fucking face. I'm done with this religion of so-called "love" and its fucking bullshit.

I do.

[Nariterrr]

I think that what is in the best interest of everybody is to follow Christian morality. It generally is a good foundation for life.

Christian morality ruined my fucking life. Do you know what it feels like when sadness is your normal fucking emotion? No? Then get the fuck out of here telling me whats fucking better for me. Your morality is the foundation of all my troubles. Its why childhood is something I want to forget and move on from and not cherish like most people do. So take your morality and shove it in someone elses fucking face. I'm done with this religion of so-called "love" and its fucking bullshit.

I know how you feel, I was raised in a deeply religious household. It must be 1000x worse if your LGBT.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

From our viewpoint, the alternative would be eternal damnation, so it would certainly be better. I oppose homosexual marriage, transition, and the like, but I would be pretty upset if someone took that to mean I hate LGBT people or something silly like that.

Eternal damnation for having sex with someone of the same sex seems unnecessary harsh and pointless, but I've never understood the weirdness that is religion. Whatever.

Well having sex with someone out of wedlock, and homosexual sin are not damnable in and of themselves. It's when you don't repent knowing that it is a sin that's the issue.

[United Marxist Nations]

I think that what is in the best interest of everybody is to follow Christian morality. It generally is a good foundation for life.

For the most part it is, but not even Christians can keep their sinful nature at bay.

Not even you. That's why you confess to a priest or, if you are protestant, pray to God to forgive you your sins in private.

To suddenly say that LGBT people should keep their sinful nature at bay is disingenuous at best, and idiotic at worst. Of course, we know homosexuality is a sin, but so is lying, so is stealing, so is coveting someone else's property or spouse, so is looking at a woman in lust, and many other things; and yet Christians do it.

An excellent post. Anyone who gets worked up over slip-ups is overreacting.

[Benuty]

Eternal damnation for having sex with someone of the same sex seems unnecessary harsh and pointless, but I've never understood the weirdness that is religion. Whatever.

Well having sex with someone out of wedlock, and homosexual sin are not damnable in and of themselves. It's when you don't repent knowing that it is a sin that's the issue.

Bastards cause dynastic wars so yes they are a problem.

[Max Empire]

Christian morality ruined my fucking life. Do you know what it feels like when sadness is your normal fucking emotion? No? Then get the fuck out of here telling me whats fucking better for me. Your morality is the foundation of all my troubles. Its why childhood is something I want to forget and move on from and not cherish like most people do. So take your morality and shove it in someone elses fucking face. I'm done with this religion of so-called "love" and its fucking bullshit.

I know how you feel, I was raised in a deeply religious household. It must be 1000x worse if your LGBT.

I feel you. My parents are really religious, and I get so scared when they start talking about sexuality....

[Socialist Nordia]

Eternal damnation for having sex with someone of the same sex seems unnecessary harsh and pointless, but I've never understood the weirdness that is religion. Whatever.

Well having sex with someone out of wedlock, and homosexual sin are not damnable in and of themselves. It's when you don't repent knowing that it is a sin that's the issue.

Ok, but why is homosexual sex inherently worse and must be repented for? It doesn't make sense to me.

[Jumalariik]

Being religious isn't bad for you. Your delusional if you think forcing LGBT people to repress themselves is healthy for them, though. Its been shown that it isn't.

From our viewpoint, the alternative would be eternal damnation, so it would certainly be better. I oppose homosexual marriage, transition, and the like, but I would be pretty upset if someone took that to mean I hate LGBT people or something silly like that.

Yes. We are both pro LGBT+. We love LGBT people because we are urged to love all people. We want what we think is best for everybody, which is the Gospel and the One true faith. Being pro- something is not being pro- what something wants. It means you want the best interests as you see it for that thing.

[Nature-Spirits]

You know that transition is medically proven to be the best practice for trans people, right? And that not transitioning can often lead to death?

And yet you say you don't hate us.

And I think such a practice would almost invariably lead to eternal damnation, which would be much worse. Hence why I support extensive emotional and mental health support for LGBT individuals.

The mental health experts say that transition (for trans people) and not having to hide who you are (for LGBT+ people in general) is the healthiest thing you can do. Conversion therapy quite literally kills.

[Nariterrr]

From our viewpoint, the alternative would be eternal damnation, so it would certainly be better. I oppose homosexual marriage, transition, and the like, but I would be pretty upset if someone took that to mean I hate LGBT people or something silly like that.

Yes. We are both pro LGBT+. We love LGBT people because we are urged to love all people. We want what we think is best for everybody, which is the Gospel and the One true faith. Being pro- something is not being pro- what something wants. It means you want the best interests as you see it for that thing.

Again, stop forcing god down people's throat. Dont conservatives get so worked up when Muslims do that, or is it ok only if you do it.

[Socialist Nordia]

From our viewpoint, the alternative would be eternal damnation, so it would certainly be better. I oppose homosexual marriage, transition, and the like, but I would be pretty upset if someone took that to mean I hate LGBT people or something silly like that.

Yes. We are both pro LGBT+. We love LGBT people because we are urged to love all people. We want what we think is best for everybody, which is the Gospel and the One true faith. Being pro- something is not being pro- what something wants. It means you want the best interests as you see it for that thing.

Your good intentions are fucking things up for LGBT+ people.

[Renewed Imperial Germany]

From our viewpoint, the alternative would be eternal damnation, so it would certainly be better. I oppose homosexual marriage, transition, and the like, but I would be pretty upset if someone took that to mean I hate LGBT people or something silly like that.

Yes. We are both pro LGBT+. We love LGBT people because we are urged to love all people. We want what we think is best for everybody, which is the Gospel and the One true faith. Being pro- something is not being pro- what something wants. It means you want the best interests as you see it for that thing.

No. Your not. I'm tired of this bullshit religous peddal. You don't love me. You want to ban everything that allows me to live a happy, healthy life because you have some slavish devotion to a man you can't even prove fucking exists. You don't love me. You want to fucking hurt me.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Well having sex with someone out of wedlock, and homosexual sin are not damnable in and of themselves. It's when you don't repent knowing that it is a sin that's the issue.

Bastards cause dynastic wars so yes they are a problem.

Hey, I take offense as a bastard. I haven't caused any dynastic wars! Yet.

[Nariterrr]

Yes. We are both pro LGBT+. We love LGBT people because we are urged to love all people. We want what we think is best for everybody, which is the Gospel and the One true faith. Being pro- something is not being pro- what something wants. It means you want the best interests as you see it for that thing.

No. Your not. I'm tired of this bullshit religous peddal. You don't love me. You want to ban everything that allows me to live a happy, healthy life because you have some slavish devotion to a man you can't even prove fucking exists. You don't love me. You want to fucking hurt me.

^ I couldn't say it any better.

[Socialist Nordia]

From our viewpoint, the alternative would be eternal damnation, so it would certainly be better. I oppose homosexual marriage, transition, and the like, but I would be pretty upset if someone took that to mean I hate LGBT people or something silly like that.

Yes. We are both pro LGBT+. We love LGBT people because we are urged to love all people. We want what we think is best for everybody, which is the Gospel and the One true faith. Being pro- something is not being pro- what something wants. It means you want the best interests as you see it for that thing.

The thing is, not everyone believes in your eternal damnation fantasy land, and even many that do don't think being openly LGBT will get you there. Your beliefs have no bearing on the lives of others.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Well having sex with someone out of wedlock, and homosexual sin are not damnable in and of themselves. It's when you don't repent knowing that it is a sin that's the issue.

Ok, but why is homosexual sex inherently worse and must be repented for? It doesn't make sense to me.

That's the thing, they're not.

If your only sin is to engage in LGBT acts and you try to live a Christian life, that's an issue in Christianity, but not something people should get worked over in my opinion. Hell, I might be a worse sinner than you are, even if I am heterosexual.

[United Marxist Nations]

And I think such a practice would almost invariably lead to eternal damnation, which would be much worse. Hence why I support extensive emotional and mental health support for LGBT individuals.

The mental health experts say that transition (for trans people) and not having to hide who you are (for LGBT+ people in general) is the healthiest thing you can do. Conversion therapy quite literally kills.

I don't know why you assume I am for conversion therapy or for LGBT people having to hide who they are.

[Nature-Spirits]

If you think that I should pretend to be a straight cis man, then you want me to kill myself.

If you think that I should pretend to be a straight cis man, then you do not love me.

If you think that I should pretend to be a straight cis man, then you are full of nothing but hatred for me.

[Jumalariik]

I think that what is in the best interest of everybody is to follow Christian morality. It generally is a good foundation for life.

Christian morality ruined my fucking life. Do you know what it feels like when sadness is your normal fucking emotion? No? Then get the fuck out of here telling me whats fucking better for me. Your morality is the foundation of all my troubles. Its why childhood is something I want to forget and move on from and not cherish like most people do. So take your morality and shove it in someone elses fucking face. I'm done with this religion of so-called "love" and its fucking bullshit.

I'd like to point out that you don't actually know much about my life.

Losing 3 very close relatives in 4 months isn't a ground for joy. Thing is, no matter who you are, what privileges you have, losing the people you love the most is painful. I don't want to turn this into depression olympics. Don't act as though you are the only one to feel sadness. You have it a lot worse than I do. Again though, don't just presume. The light of Jesus Christ has often been the only light that shines. Christianity may make your life bad, but it makes my life a lot better.

[Jumalariik]

If you think that I should pretend to be a straight cis man, then you want me to kill myself.

If you think that I should pretend to be a straight cis man, then you do not love me.

If you think that I should pretend to be a straight cis man, then you are full of nothing but hatred for me.

I don't think it takes much to show how that's not true.

[Nariterrr]

Christian morality ruined my fucking life. Do you know what it feels like when sadness is your normal fucking emotion? No? Then get the fuck out of here telling me whats fucking better for me. Your morality is the foundation of all my troubles. Its why childhood is something I want to forget and move on from and not cherish like most people do. So take your morality and shove it in someone elses fucking face. I'm done with this religion of so-called "love" and its fucking bullshit.

I'd like to point out that you don't actually know much about my life.

Losing 3 very close relatives in 4 months isn't a ground for joy. Thing is, no matter who you are, what privileges you have, losing the people you love the most is painful. I don't want to turn this into depression olympics. Don't act as though you are the only one to feel sadness. You have it a lot worse than I do. Again though, don't just presume. The light of Jesus Christ has often been the only light that shines. Christianity may make your life bad, but it makes my life a lot better.

Again, stop forcing god down people's throat. Dont conservatives get so worked up when Muslims do that, or is it ok only if you do it.

[Jumalariik]

The mental health experts say that transition (for trans people) and not having to hide who you are (for LGBT+ people in general) is the healthiest thing you can do. Conversion therapy quite literally kills.

I don't know why you assume I am for conversion therapy or for LGBT people having to hide who they are.

We're ebil Christins.

[United Marxist Nations]

If you think that I should pretend to be a straight cis man, then you want me to kill myself.

If you think that I should pretend to be a straight cis man, then you do not love me.

If you think that I should pretend to be a straight cis man, then you are full of nothing but hatred for me.

Then it is a good thing I don't want that.

[The Princes of the Universe]

Can we take two minutes to calm the hell down please?

[Jumalariik]

I'd like to point out that you don't actually know much about my life.

Losing 3 very close relatives in 4 months isn't a ground for joy. Thing is, no matter who you are, what privileges you have, losing the people you love the most is painful. I don't want to turn this into depression olympics. Don't act as though you are the only one to feel sadness. You have it a lot worse than I do. Again though, don't just presume. The light of Jesus Christ has often been the only light that shines. Christianity may make your life bad, but it makes my life a lot better.

Again, stop forcing god down people's throat. Dont conservatives get so worked up when Muslims do that, or is it ok only if you do it.

I didn't know that I've forced anybody to be a Christian. As far as I know, all I have done is go onto a thread that is open to all people on NS and state opinions. I have not cast insults, I have not been mean. If that's what you call forcing something upon somebody, then you misuse words.