LGBT Rights & Issues Thread, V3

[Jumalariik]

Because its not as though capitalists and conservatives can be Pro-LGBT.

By definition, no. A conservative can't be pro-LGBT.

I am.


But not maybe in the way that would make me popular....

[Renewed Imperial Germany]

By definition, no. A conservative can't be pro-LGBT.

I am.


But not maybe in the way that would make me popular....

Are you in support of the legal recognition of gay marriage? Anti-discrimination protections for LGBT+ people? Do you oppose Bathroom Bills? Do you support anti-bullying measures to protect LGBT students from harassment? If you say no to any of those you aren't really pro-LGBT.

[Jumalariik]

I am.


But not maybe in the way that would make me popular....

Are you in support of the legal recognition of gay marriage? Anti-discrimination protections for LGBT+ people? Do you oppose Bathroom Bills? Do you support anti-bullying measures to protect LGBT students from harassment? If you say no to any of those you aren't really pro-LGBT.

I am against all those things you mentioned but I support what I think is best for LGBT people.

[Renewed Imperial Germany]

Are you in support of the legal recognition of gay marriage? Anti-discrimination protections for LGBT+ people? Do you oppose Bathroom Bills? Do you support anti-bullying measures to protect LGBT students from harassment? If you say no to any of those you aren't really pro-LGBT.

I am against all those things you mentioned but I support what I think is best for LGBT people.

And you would preusme to consider me delusional.

[Jumalariik]

I am against all those things you mentioned but I support what I think is best for LGBT people.

And you would preusme to consider me delusional.

It's all relative. No? Somebody thinks me being religious is bad for me, I think them being not religious is bad for them. It's perspective. Somebody is right in the end though.

[Socialist Nordia]

Are you in support of the legal recognition of gay marriage? Anti-discrimination protections for LGBT+ people? Do you oppose Bathroom Bills? Do you support anti-bullying measures to protect LGBT students from harassment? If you say no to any of those you aren't really pro-LGBT.

I am against all those things you mentioned but I support what I think is best for LGBT people.

You obviously don't, because those things are what is best for them. Not even the anti-bullying thing you'll say yes to? I thought that was the consensus.

[Appalatchia]

An economic conservative could be pro-LGBT, the two aren't exclusive. But yeah, social conservatism by its definition conflicts with LGBT equality.

[Nariterrr]

Are you in support of the legal recognition of gay marriage? Anti-discrimination protections for LGBT+ people? Do you oppose Bathroom Bills? Do you support anti-bullying measures to protect LGBT students from harassment? If you say no to any of those you aren't really pro-LGBT.

I am against all those things you mentioned but I support what I think is best for LGBT people.

Then how do you call yourself pro-LGBT?

[Renewed Imperial Germany]

And you would preusme to consider me delusional.

It's all relative. No? Somebody thinks me being religious is bad for me, I think them being not religious is bad for them. It's perspective. Somebody is right in the end though.

Being religious isn't bad for you. Your delusional if you think forcing LGBT people to repress themselves is healthy for them, though. Its been shown that it isn't.

[Nature-Spirits]

Are you in support of the legal recognition of gay marriage? Anti-discrimination protections for LGBT+ people? Do you oppose Bathroom Bills? Do you support anti-bullying measures to protect LGBT students from harassment? If you say no to any of those you aren't really pro-LGBT.

I am against all those things you mentioned but I support what I think is best for LGBT people.

Ah, I see, you're trying to take the patronising cishet "I'm not one of you but I know what's best for you" route.

Lovely. It always turns out well when the oppressor decides what's best for the oppressed.

[Max Empire]

An economic conservative could be pro-LGBT, the two aren't exclusive. But yeah, social conservatism by its definition conflicts with LGBT equality.

I sort of figured that pro-business people would support LGBT rights, since discrimination and the like is bad for business....

[United Marxist Nations]

It's all relative. No? Somebody thinks me being religious is bad for me, I think them being not religious is bad for them. It's perspective. Somebody is right in the end though.

Being religious isn't bad for you. Your delusional if you think forcing LGBT people to repress themselves is healthy for them, though. Its been shown that it isn't.

From our viewpoint, the alternative would be eternal damnation, so it would certainly be better. I oppose homosexual marriage, transition, and the like, but I would be pretty upset if someone took that to mean I hate LGBT people or something silly like that.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

And you would preusme to consider me delusional.

It's all relative. No? Somebody thinks me being religious is bad for me, I think them being not religious is bad for them. It's perspective. Somebody is right in the end though.

I'm religious too.

While I think it's bullshit that it's bad for me to be religious, that doesn't mean the opposite as you so smugly proclaim.

Tu Quoque is never a legitimate way to engage people either in religion, or in making them think you're right.

[Nariterrr]

I am against all those things you mentioned but I support what I think is best for LGBT people.

Ah, I see, you're trying to take the patronising cishet "I'm not one of you but I know what's best for you" route.

Lovely. It always turns out well when the oppressor decides what's best for the oppressed.

The iconic 'we know what's best for you' North Korea-esque line.

Turns out the people who 'know what's best for you' don't actually give a fuck about you.

[Jumalariik]

I am against all those things you mentioned but I support what I think is best for LGBT people.

Then how do you call yourself pro-LGBT?

I think that what is in the best interest of everybody is to follow Christian morality. It generally is a good foundation for life.

[Nature-Spirits]

Being religious isn't bad for you. Your delusional if you think forcing LGBT people to repress themselves is healthy for them, though. Its been shown that it isn't.

From our viewpoint, the alternative would be eternal damnation, so it would certainly be better. I oppose homosexual marriage, transition, and the like, but I would be pretty upset if someone took that to mean I hate LGBT people or something silly like that.

You know that transition is medically proven to be the best practice for trans people, right? And that not transitioning can often lead to death?

And yet you say you don't hate us.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Being religious isn't bad for you. Your delusional if you think forcing LGBT people to repress themselves is healthy for them, though. Its been shown that it isn't.

From our viewpoint, the alternative would be eternal damnation, so it would certainly be better. I oppose homosexual marriage, transition, and the like, but I would be pretty upset if someone took that to mean I hate LGBT people or something silly like that.

I'm personally opposed to religious homosexual marriage, which is the one the Church views as valid in and of itself.

I really could give less of a shit about civil marriage. It's state-sanctioned marriage, not church-sanctioned. And I speak as a heterosexual male.

[Nariterrr]

Then how do you call yourself pro-LGBT?

I think that what is in the best interest of everybody is to follow Christian morality. It generally is a good foundation for life.

Oh please don't force your religion unto us, don't you conservatives scream when Muslims do that?

[Socialist Nordia]

Being religious isn't bad for you. Your delusional if you think forcing LGBT people to repress themselves is healthy for them, though. Its been shown that it isn't.

From our viewpoint, the alternative would be eternal damnation, so it would certainly be better. I oppose homosexual marriage, transition, and the like, but I would be pretty upset if someone took that to mean I hate LGBT people or something silly like that.

Eternal damnation for having sex with someone of the same sex seems unnecessary harsh and pointless, but I've never understood the weirdness that is religion. Whatever.

[Renewed Imperial Germany]

Then how do you call yourself pro-LGBT?

I think that what is in the best interest of everybody is to follow Christian morality. It generally is a good foundation for life.

Christian morality ruined my fucking life. Do you know what it feels like when sadness is your normal fucking emotion? No? Then get the fuck out of here telling me whats fucking better for me. Your morality is the foundation of all my troubles. Its why childhood is something I want to forget and move on from and not cherish like most people do. So take your morality and shove it in someone elses fucking face. I'm done with this religion of so-called "love" and its fucking bullshit.

[Lalaki]

I am against all those things you mentioned but I support what I think is best for LGBT people.

Then how do you call yourself pro-LGBT?

I'm speculating that it's a matter of conscience. Many, many years ago, I was an extremely devout Catholic. When I thought of the LGBT community, I always said that while I loved and cared for them as people -- I did not agree with their lifestyle and would push to restrict it "for their own good." I think that's what he means, pro-LGBTQ+ because he "hates the sin but loves the sinner." I meant well, but was in the completely wrong frame of mind.

Things change. Now I'm an unapologetic ally of the LGBTQ+ community and push for equality through campaigning and such. It will always be a hope of mine that others can follow down this same path.

[United Marxist Nations]

From our viewpoint, the alternative would be eternal damnation, so it would certainly be better. I oppose homosexual marriage, transition, and the like, but I would be pretty upset if someone took that to mean I hate LGBT people or something silly like that.

You know that transition is medically proven to be the best practice for trans people, right? And that not transitioning can often lead to death?

And yet you say you don't hate us.

And I think such a practice would almost invariably lead to eternal damnation, which would be much worse. Hence why I support extensive emotional and mental health support for LGBT individuals.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Then how do you call yourself pro-LGBT?

I think that what is in the best interest of everybody is to follow Christian morality. It generally is a good foundation for life.

For the most part it is, but not even Christians can keep their sinful nature at bay.

Not even you. That's why you confess to a priest or, if you are protestant, pray to God to forgive you your sins in private.

To suddenly say that LGBT people should keep their sinful nature at bay is disingenuous at best, and idiotic at worst. Of course, we know homosexuality is a sin, but so is lying, so is stealing, so is coveting someone else's property or spouse, so is looking at a woman in lust, and many other things; and yet Christians do it.

[Nature-Spirits]

Then how do you call yourself pro-LGBT?

I think that what is in the best interest of everybody is to follow Christian morality. It generally is a good foundation for life.

If Christian morality means that I have to pretend to be a straight cis man, then no. Because that would most likely lead to my death.

And see, I don't actually have a problem with you holding the view that "Christian morality" is good. What I do have a problem with is you and people like you pushing that morality onto others without their consent.

[Benuty]

Because its not as though capitalists and conservatives can be Pro-LGBT.

By definition, no. A conservative can't be pro-LGBT.

The american political system of definitions needs to die.