LGBT Rights & Issues Thread, V3

[The Flutterlands]

The bill denying same-sex marriage in Finland has passed to the parliament, it'll be voted on later.

Fuck.

[Kvatchdom]

The bill denying same-sex marriage in Finland has passed to the parliament, it'll be voted on later.

Fuck.

Fuck indeed.

[Keylandia]

Well thank goodness even living in the South I've never experienced anything like that, but if I saw a sign saying no gays not only would I go in, I would then proceed to yell about how I like dicks and how hot Jake Gyllenhaal is.

They may "own" their property and their store, but they are a commercial establishment and should serve anyone who walks through that door unless those customers are breaking a law. This isn't their home or a place of worship. You opened the business to make money, take everyone's fucking money and get over yourself.

So when businesses have signs that say "we reserve the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason." Are guilty of discrimination?

For sure. Absolutely yes. They can't do it for "any reason" once again that includes countless forms of discrimination. I agree if someone is being disrespectful, being destructive to the property, being unruly then fine. Call the police but you can't call the police because a faggot wants to buy something from you.

Keep in mind that this comes from a conservative southern (gay) guy, whose family is full of conservative business owners and entrepreneurs. But even most of my own family agrees that discrimination like that is wrong.

[Cannabis Islands]

The bill denying same-sex marriage in Finland has passed to the parliament, it'll be voted on later.

Fuck! Now THIS it's a form of oppression!

[Kvatchdom]

The bill denying same-sex marriage in Finland has passed to the parliament, it'll be voted on later.

Fuck! Now THIS it's a form of oppression!

I have faith it'll be ruled as unconstitutional though. The Prime Minister who voted against same-sex marriage said that denying it now would be a crime.

[Cannabis Islands]

So when businesses have signs that say "we reserve the right to refuse service to anyone for any reason." Are guilty of discrimination?

For sure. Absolutely yes. They can't do it for "any reason" once again that includes countless forms of discrimination. I agree if someone is being disrespectful, being destructive to the property, being unruly then fine. Call the police but you can't call the police because a faggot wants to buy something from you.

Keep in mind that this comes from a conservative southern (gay) guy, whose family is full of conservative business owners and entrepreneurs. But even most of my own family agrees that discrimination like that is wrong.

I do believe that a private business denying service to someone because they're LGBT, A religious minority or a racial minority is wrong. However, I don't believe the state should get involved. Private business owners have a right to be wrong in this regard.

[Cannabis Islands]

Fuck! Now THIS it's a form of oppression!

I have faith it'll be ruled as unconstitutional though. The Prime Minister who voted against same-sex marriage said that denying it now would be a crime.

And don't Finns support same-sex marriage rights?

[Kvatchdom]

For sure. Absolutely yes. They can't do it for "any reason" once again that includes countless forms of discrimination. I agree if someone is being disrespectful, being destructive to the property, being unruly then fine. Call the police but you can't call the police because a faggot wants to buy something from you.

Keep in mind that this comes from a conservative southern (gay) guy, whose family is full of conservative business owners and entrepreneurs. But even most of my own family agrees that discrimination like that is wrong.

I do believe that a private business denying service to someone because they're LGBT, A religious minority or a racial minority is wrong. However, I don't believe the state should get involved. Private business owners have a right to be wrong in this regard.

Private businesses should have the right to deny service for any reason. For an example, someone cutting a line or harassing a worker does not receive service.

[Kvatchdom]

I have faith it'll be ruled as unconstitutional though. The Prime Minister who voted against same-sex marriage said that denying it now would be a crime.

And don't Finns support same-sex marriage rights?

About 60-70% do, but people don't care about it enough to check that their candidates support it.

[Egoman]

Fuck.

Fuck indeed.

I changed my flag to fit the occasion.

[Kvatchdom]

Fuck indeed.

I changed my flag to fit the occasion.

[Keylandia]

I do believe that a private business denying service to someone because they're LGBT, A religious minority or a racial minority is wrong. However, I don't believe the state should get involved. Private business owners have a right to be wrong in this regard.

Private businesses should have the right to deny service for any reason. For an example, someone cutting a line or harassing a worker does not receive service.

As you will see above I agree with certain reasons for not serving someone, but those reasons only include when someone is breaking a rule that doesn't cause discrimination.

[Egoman]

I changed my flag to fit the occasion.

We love our swear words. Especially the one and only vittu. Babies learn it as their first word. Elders groan it when they kick the bucket. Everyone says it. Even your fucking dog says it.

[Keylandia]

For sure. Absolutely yes. They can't do it for "any reason" once again that includes countless forms of discrimination. I agree if someone is being disrespectful, being destructive to the property, being unruly then fine. Call the police but you can't call the police because a faggot wants to buy something from you.

Keep in mind that this comes from a conservative southern (gay) guy, whose family is full of conservative business owners and entrepreneurs. But even most of my own family agrees that discrimination like that is wrong.

I do believe that a private business denying service to someone because they're LGBT, A religious minority or a racial minority is wrong. However, I don't believe the state should get involved. Private business owners have a right to be wrong in this regard.

I can't believe that on the one issue I think the state should be involved, you've decided they shouldn't be. The state has the responsibly of protecting the human rights (AKA protection from discrimination) of all citizens, not just certain groups. Business owners shouldn't be above the laws or government. They can't discriminate.

[Cannabis Islands]

I do believe that a private business denying service to someone because they're LGBT, A religious minority or a racial minority is wrong. However, I don't believe the state should get involved. Private business owners have a right to be wrong in this regard.

I can't believe that on the one issue I think the state should be involved, you've decided they shouldn't be. The state has the responsibly of protecting the human rights (AKA protection from discrimination) of all citizens, not just certain groups. Business owners shouldn't be above the laws or government. They can't discriminate.

The only issue I believe businesses don't have the right to discriminate is regards to employment, however providing services is a different matter.

[Oneracon]

I can't believe that on the one issue I think the state should be involved, you've decided they shouldn't be. The state has the responsibly of protecting the human rights (AKA protection from discrimination) of all citizens, not just certain groups. Business owners shouldn't be above the laws or government. They can't discriminate.

The only issue I believe businesses don't have the right to discriminate is regards to employment, however providing services is a different matter.

In providing a public service, which a business does, there should be no discrimination unless it is justified by the nature of the service.

[Cannabis Islands]

The only issue I believe businesses don't have the right to discriminate is regards to employment, however providing services is a different matter.

In providing a public service, which a business does, there should be no discrimination unless it is justified by the nature of the service.

I think it's a matter of private property rights.

[Oneracon]

In providing a public service, which a business does, there should be no discrimination unless it is justified by the nature of the service.

I think it's a matter of private property rights.

The rights of the public trump private property rights when it is a business that is open to the general public.

If someone doesn't want to let a person into their house because of said person's ethnicity, gender, orientation, etc. that's fine. But when you have a business open to the public you can't arbitrarily discriminate just by claiming it's your property.

[Kelinfort]

Fuck.

Fuck indeed.

I guess agriculture is negatively affected by gay marriage.

Gotta love Agrarian parties.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

The bill denying same-sex marriage in Finland has passed to the parliament, it'll be voted on later.

This might lead to something good. Might. Without a doubt, this law will be challenged in the Finnish courts. Knowing the Finnish Government and Human Rights Organisations, this case would reach the highest echelons of the legal system before moving to the European Court for Human Rights. Now, this is where it gets interesting. If the European Court for Human Rights acts the way I hope they would act, if they truly are the liberal stronghold I think them to be, they would strike this law down immediately. Here comes the big part: If the European Court for Human Rights strikes down this law, that jurisdiction would then play over to all members of the European Council. That means that Germany, Spain, Austria, Italy, Poland, former Yugoslavia, Greece, Turkey, Russia and a whole lot more could never introduce such legislation again. It would destroy homophobic legislation in Europe. Now, we pray.

[Salandriagado]

Fuck.

Fuck indeed.

How likely is it to pass, do you think?

[Grenartia]

I still see the small desert town scenario to be very far-fetched.

You have clearly never lived in a desert, nor a small town.

I haven't lived in the latter, only the former, but I have visited small towns, and let me tell you, I can definitely see a queerphobic small desert town killing an LGBT person via neglect. When everyone in the town knows you, and they all hate you because you're LGBT, and it's literally impossible to live off the land and moving to another town is infeasible, you are going to die.

See, I've lived in a small town before.

[Kvatchdom]

Fuck indeed.

How likely is it to pass, do you think?

Unlikely.

[Grenartia]

I think it's a matter of private property rights.

The rights of the public trump private property rights when it is a business that is open to the general public.

If someone doesn't want to let a person into their house because of said person's ethnicity, gender, orientation, etc. that's fine. But when you have a business open to the public you can't arbitrarily discriminate just by claiming it's your property.

If you want to get around it, just open it as a members' only club, put up a sign saying you only serve members, and put up some arbitrary requirements for membership acceptance.

[Liberty and Linguistics]

Fuck indeed.

I changed my flag to fit the occasion.

A perfect use of Finnish profanities.