NSG, extraordinarily liberal?

[Prussia-Steinbach]

I'n an INTJ, who's supposed to be ancap. I lean that direction, but can't quite embrace anarchism. So, close, but no cigar.

INTJ. I'm a centrist.

INFP. So I should be a communist. Not too far off.

[World Anarchic Union]

Haven't made the political test you mention but I have studied a little about anarchism and I agree about the ideas and notions it embraces. I support communism as well as it was meant to be by Marx and Engels and not the mockery it has been made by Stalin. Although I support Cuba in its attempts and I support many real communists like Luxembourg, Lenin and of course, Che, in my opinion anarchism is the natural evolution of humanity in a wolrd, which I really want to live to see, without masters or authority.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Haven't made the political test you mention but I have studied a little about anarchism and I agree about the ideas and notions it embraces. I support communism as well as it was meant to be by Marx and Engels and not the mockery it has been made by Stalin. Although I support Cuba in its attempts and I support many real communists like Luxembourg, Lenin and of course, Che, in my opinion anarchism is the natural evolution of humanity in a wolrd, which I really want to live to see, without masters or authority.

So you're a Marxist? Anarcho-Communism is different than Marxism.

[World Anarchic Union]

Haven't made the political test you mention but I have studied a little about anarchism and I agree about the ideas and notions it embraces. I support communism as well as it was meant to be by Marx and Engels and not the mockery it has been made by Stalin. Although I support Cuba in its attempts and I support many real communists like Luxembourg, Lenin and of course, Che, in my opinion anarchism is the natural evolution of humanity in a wolrd, which I really want to live to see, without masters or authority.

So you're a Marxist? Anarcho-Communism is different than Marxism.

I admire those people for their revolutionary ideas but anarchism is, in my opinion, the only path for the true freedom of the people free from dictators, kings and rulers that impose their will. True communism is an admirable type of society. Anarchism is the only one that can secure the future free from corruption, rulers and the capital.
Won't you agree? Anarchists united in solidarity!

[Diopolis]

I would suppose that NSG is definitely left wing to some extent, with a good percentage of the posters being socially liberal, and somewhat economically left-wing (although most aren't bleeding heart socialists, and still support private enterprise nonetheless, and not as left-wing as they are socially). Yet, we do have those who do not conform to this majority, but those who do not conform range from Marxist-Leninists, to Neo-Reactionaries, to Monarchists.

Oddly enough, I don't think I've ever actually seen a neoreactionary on NationStates. There's us regular reactionaries, but the Dark Enlightenment goons appear to be keeping away.

A lot of the self-appointed fascists who disappear/get banned after a week talk like neoreactionaries, but don't use the term as their main descriptor. I can definitely remember it being in a sig or two, but my guess is that it's kinda hard to advocate "genetic right" without delving into regular old racism(I've never done it), so anyone who seriously believes in it would probably get banned for trolling.

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That's not entirely inaccurate as a population chart, actually. Although I'm not sure where I'd fall.

I'm pretty most of us monarchists would be bundled in with "alternative right" in the mind of whoever made that. Most conservatives would probably prefer a left-wing government to one by an anti-capitalist, aristocratic, agrarian traditionalist.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

INTJ. I'm a centrist.

INFP. So I should be a communist. Not too far off.

INFP. Social Democrat leaning more towards Democratic Socialism as time goes on.

[Diopolis]

Yet as an INFP I doubt I see myself similar to a Maoist.

Or as a minarchist, a Heathen anarchist or neofeudalist...

I'n an INTJ, who's supposed to be ancap. I lean that direction, but can't quite embrace anarchism. So, close, but no cigar.

I'm an INTJ and a monarchist traditionalist conservative with anti-capitalist views. So yeah, I'm very, very far.

[Old Tyrannia]

I'm pretty most of us monarchists would be bundled in with "alternative right" in the mind of whoever made that. Most conservatives would probably prefer a left-wing government to one by an anti-capitalist, aristocratic, agrarian traditionalist.

I sort of suspected as much too, but I don't much like the idea of being classed with the "Alternative Right."

I'n an INTJ, who's supposed to be ancap. I lean that direction, but can't quite embrace anarchism. So, close, but no cigar.

I'm an INTJ and a monarchist traditionalist conservative with anti-capitalist views. So yeah, I'm very, very far.

Ditto. Although at least one test I took classed me as an ISTJ, and in fairness, I don't have much beef with classical republicanism in the sense of mixed government or constitutionalism.

[Purger]

NSG is actually center-left to far-left and as such does not represent the average opinion of ordinary people, it is just that such opinion is tolerated even by the mods (granted not consciously) while every different opinion will always have more chances to be banned. There used to be some vocal oppositionaries but from what I see they are now mostly ex-nations. On foreign policy NSG is pro-EUropean and in favour of all intervention wars and coups started by B. Hussein Obama.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

1. NSG is actually center-left to far-left and as such does not represent the average opinion of ordinary people, 2. it is just that such opinion is tolerated even by the mods (granted not consciously) while every different opinion will always have more chances to be banned. There used to be some vocal oppositionaries but from what I see they are now mostly ex-nations. 3. On foreign policy NSG is pro-EUropean and 4. in favour of all intervention wars and coups started by B. Hussein Obama.

1. Center, not far. And true.

2. Bull shit. People get banned for breaking rules, like flaming, trolling, doing shit like advocating genocide, which gets the far-right banned most frequently. There are still plenty of capitalists and right-wingers on here.

3. Not as a rule.

4. This must be a fucking joke.

[Khorsun]

True. Communists in Putinist Russia are considered "conservative" while liberals are...liberal.

Liberals in Russia?

Russian self-proclaimed "liberals" are more like very racist, ultra-elitist big-business libertarians.

[Diopolis]

I'm pretty most of us monarchists would be bundled in with "alternative right" in the mind of whoever made that. Most conservatives would probably prefer a left-wing government to one by an anti-capitalist, aristocratic, agrarian traditionalist.

I sort of suspected as much too, but I don't much like the idea of being classed with the "Alternative Right."

I don't like it either. To me that conjures up images of neofascists or Illinois-governor slimy opportunist politicians, and implies that we're a new ideology. But it applies; we are an alternative to the increasingly "abomination love child of extremist libertarians and theodemocracy" right, except in the sense that we came about in response to them.

I'm an INTJ and a monarchist traditionalist conservative with anti-capitalist views. So yeah, I'm very, very far.

Ditto. Although at least one test I took classed me as an ISTJ, and in fairness, I don't have much beef with classical republicanism in the sense of mixed government or constitutionalism.

Still pretty far from "anarcho"-capitalism.

[Steamtopia]

NSG is actually center-left to far-left and as such does not represent the average opinion of ordinary people, it is just that such opinion is tolerated even by the mods (granted not consciously) while every different opinion will always have more chances to be banned. There used to be some vocal oppositionaries but from what I see they are now mostly ex-nations. On foreign policy NSG is pro-EUropean and in favour of all intervention wars and coups started by B. Hussein Obama.

You clearly haven't been around long.

[Steamtopia]

Liberals in Russia?

Russian self-proclaimed "liberals" are more like very racist, ultra-elitist big-business libertarians.

Hence my questioning of the claim.

[Diopolis]

Russian self-proclaimed "liberals" are more like very racist, ultra-elitist big-business libertarians.

Hence my questioning of the claim.

That just means that liberals in Russia support the exact same platform as liberals at the turn of the 19th century.

[Steamtopia]

Hence my questioning of the claim.

That just means that liberals in Russia support the exact same platform as liberals at the turn of the 19th century.

So not liberals by any modern definition of the word.

[The Liberated Territories]

Are there many anarchists in NS? I mean anarcho-syndicalists, anarcho-communists and the anarchists who wish total abolition of borders and capitalism. I have seen some but not many.

I sorta identify as a philosophical anarchist, if that means anything.

[Diopolis]

That just means that liberals in Russia support the exact same platform as liberals at the turn of the 19th century.

So not liberals by any modern definition of the word.

Not modern liberals, at least.

[Steamtopia]

So not liberals by any modern definition of the word.

Not modern liberals, at least.

I don't see why anyone would bother using definitions that are hundreds of years old.

[The New Sea Territory]

Are there many anarchists in NS? I mean anarcho-syndicalists, anarcho-communists and the anarchists who wish total abolition of borders and capitalism. I have seen some but not many.

We have a lot of anarchists on this site relative to other political circles I've seen.

[Diopolis]

Not modern liberals, at least.

I don't see why anyone would bother using definitions that are hundreds of years old.

I guess as a traditionalist ultraconservative they all look liberal to me. It is what the term apparently means in Russia.

[Bezkoshtovnya]

NSG is actually center-left to far-left and as such does not represent the average opinion of ordinary people, it is just that such opinion is tolerated even by the mods (granted not consciously) while every different opinion will always have more chances to be banned. There used to be some vocal oppositionaries but from what I see they are now mostly ex-nations. On foreign policy NSG is pro-EUropean and in favour of all intervention wars and coups started by B. Hussein Obama.

Bullshit. Trolling and flaming gets people banned, not right wing politics, which is still pretty prevalent on here.

The last bit is absolute bullshit as well, considering many MANY people are heavily critical of American interventionism and of Obama in general. So, not sure what you're talking about.

[Benuty]

NSG is actually center-left to far-left and as such does not represent the average opinion of ordinary people, it is just that such opinion is tolerated even by the mods (granted not consciously) while every different opinion will always have more chances to be banned. There used to be some vocal oppositionaries but from what I see they are now mostly ex-nations. On foreign policy NSG is pro-EUropean and in favour of all intervention wars and coups started by B. Hussein Obama.

George Herbert Walker Bush!

See I can spell out peoples full names to point out some pointless cultural detail, and claim that that alone is sufficient enough evidence that they are a bad president too.

[Benuty]

NSG is actually center-left to far-left and as such does not represent the average opinion of ordinary people, it is just that such opinion is tolerated even by the mods (granted not consciously) while every different opinion will always have more chances to be banned. There used to be some vocal oppositionaries but from what I see they are now mostly ex-nations. On foreign policy NSG is pro-EUropean and in favour of all intervention wars and coups started by B. Hussein Obama.

You clearly haven't been around long.

I give them a week.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

NSG is actually center-left to far-left and as such does not represent the average opinion of ordinary people, it is just that such opinion is tolerated even by the mods (granted not consciously) while every different opinion will always have more chances to be banned. There used to be some vocal oppositionaries but from what I see they are now mostly ex-nations. On foreign policy NSG is pro-EUropean and in favour of all intervention wars and coups started by B. Hussein Obama.

George Herbert Walker Bush!

See I can spell out peoples full names to point out some pointless cultural detail, and claim that that alone is sufficient enough evidence that they are a bad president too.

Harcourt Fenton Mudd!