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Bezkoshtovnya
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Postby Bezkoshtovnya » Wed May 06, 2015 12:07 pm

Vindex Nation wrote:
Bezkoshtovnya wrote:If that shit article is where you get your supposed definition, I think I see the issue.

For the LAST TIME IT IS NOT THAT HARD TO FIND A CHART ON YOUR OWN!

Why is it now on me to prove your argument for you?
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Postby Steamtopia » Wed May 06, 2015 12:08 pm

Robert Magoo wrote:
The Liberated Territories wrote:
Yet as an INFP I doubt I see myself similar to a Maoist.

Or as a minarchist, a Heathen anarchist or neofeudalist...

I'n an INTJ, who's supposed to be ancap. I lean that direction, but can't quite embrace anarchism. So, close, but no cigar. ;)

INTJ. I'm a centrist.
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Vindex Nation
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Postby Vindex Nation » Wed May 06, 2015 12:08 pm

You know what. Just go to google and type in "what are conservative views?" And read something.
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Wed May 06, 2015 12:10 pm

Vindex Nation wrote:You know what. Just go to google and type in "what are conservative views?" And read something.

No. We know what conservative views are and you seem to dispute typical and reasonable definitions of conservative. The burden is on you, my friend.
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Postby Steamtopia » Wed May 06, 2015 12:13 pm

Vindex Nation wrote:You know what. Just go to google and type in "what are conservative views?" And read something.

There are a million different definitions on what constitutes a conservative belief.
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Postby Vindex Nation » Wed May 06, 2015 12:14 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
Vindex Nation wrote:You know what. Just go to google and type in "what are conservative views?" And read something.

No. We know what conservative views are and you seem to dispute typical and reasonable definitions of conservative. The burden is on you, my friend.

Do you though? Quote a post of mine where I dispute such.
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Bezkoshtovnya
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Postby Bezkoshtovnya » Wed May 06, 2015 12:19 pm

Vindex Nation wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:No. We know what conservative views are and you seem to dispute typical and reasonable definitions of conservative. The burden is on you, my friend.

Do you though? Quote a post of mine where I dispute such.

It is pretty common to accept that "conservative" is too general to have an objective singular defintion, while you seem to think this is not the case.
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The Liberated Territories
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Wed May 06, 2015 12:21 pm

Bezkoshtovnya wrote:
Vindex Nation wrote:Do you though? Quote a post of mine where I dispute such.

It is pretty common to accept that "conservative" is too general to have an objective singular defintion, while you seem to think this is not the case.


True. Communists in Putinist Russia are considered "conservative" while liberals are...liberal.
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Postby Steamtopia » Wed May 06, 2015 12:21 pm

The Liberated Territories wrote:
Bezkoshtovnya wrote:It is pretty common to accept that "conservative" is too general to have an objective singular defintion, while you seem to think this is not the case.


True. Communists in Putinist Russia are considered "conservative" while liberals are...liberal.

Liberals in Russia?
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Postby Miletos » Wed May 06, 2015 12:22 pm

Steamtopia wrote:http://i.imgur.com/aQuu4Tp.jpg

As an INTJ libertarian socialist, I profoundly disagree with your diagram
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Robert Magoo
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Postby Robert Magoo » Wed May 06, 2015 12:22 pm

Steamtopia wrote:
Robert Magoo wrote:I'n an INTJ, who's supposed to be ancap. I lean that direction, but can't quite embrace anarchism. So, close, but no cigar. ;)

INTJ. I'm a centrist.

Hello, fellow INTJ. :)
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Postby Steamtopia » Wed May 06, 2015 12:22 pm

Miletos wrote:
Steamtopia wrote:http://i.imgur.com/aQuu4Tp.jpg

As an INTJ libertarian socialist, I profoundly disagree with your diagram

It's not mine.
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The Liberated Territories
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Wed May 06, 2015 12:23 pm

Steamtopia wrote:
The Liberated Territories wrote:
True. Communists in Putinist Russia are considered "conservative" while liberals are...liberal.

Liberals in Russia?


Yes, they exist.

No, they do not belong to the so called "Liberal Democratic Party"
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Robert Magoo
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Postby Robert Magoo » Wed May 06, 2015 12:24 pm

Miletos wrote:
Steamtopia wrote:http://i.imgur.com/aQuu4Tp.jpg

As an INTJ libertarian socialist, I profoundly disagree with your diagram

I'm kind of curious now, just what the MBTI distribution is on NSG...
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Postby Steamtopia » Wed May 06, 2015 12:24 pm

The Liberated Territories wrote:
Steamtopia wrote:Liberals in Russia?


Yes, they exist.

No, they do not belong to the so called "Liberal Democratic Party"

Probably as rare as black people in Iceland.
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The Liberated Territories
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Wed May 06, 2015 12:25 pm

Robert Magoo wrote:
Miletos wrote:As an INTJ libertarian socialist, I profoundly disagree with your diagram

I'm kind of curious now, just what the MBTI distribution is on NSG...


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Postby Steamtopia » Wed May 06, 2015 12:25 pm

Robert Magoo wrote:
Miletos wrote:As an INTJ libertarian socialist, I profoundly disagree with your diagram

I'm kind of curious now, just what the MBTI distribution is on NSG...

Overwhelmingly INTJ/INTP, as it is with all internet sites.
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Postby Excidium Planetis » Wed May 06, 2015 12:25 pm

Steamtopia wrote:Here's another graph for you.
(Image)


That chart makes absolutely no sense to me.
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Postby Steamtopia » Wed May 06, 2015 12:26 pm

Excidium Planetis wrote:
Steamtopia wrote:Here's another graph for you.
(Image)


That chart makes absolutely no sense to me.

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Postby Laerod » Wed May 06, 2015 12:27 pm

Robert Magoo wrote:
Miletos wrote:As an INTJ libertarian socialist, I profoundly disagree with your diagram

I'm kind of curious now, just what the MBTI distribution is on NSG...

Fraudulent.

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Postby Excidium Planetis » Wed May 06, 2015 12:28 pm

Bezkoshtovnya wrote:
Vindex Nation wrote:Do you though? Quote a post of mine where I dispute such.

It is pretty common to accept that "conservative" is too general to have an objective singular defintion, while you seem to think this is not the case.


I believe the best definition is "Not Liberal or Libertarian".
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Postby World Anarchic Union » Wed May 06, 2015 12:30 pm

Are there many anarchists in NS? I mean anarcho-syndicalists, anarcho-communists and the anarchists who wish total abolition of borders and capitalism. I have seen some but not many.
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Postby Bezkoshtovnya » Wed May 06, 2015 12:31 pm

Excidium Planetis wrote:
Bezkoshtovnya wrote:It is pretty common to accept that "conservative" is too general to have an objective singular defintion, while you seem to think this is not the case.


I believe the best definition is "Not Liberal or Libertarian".

Which is even more vague. And indeed false, as there are certainly conservative libertarians.
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Postby Robert Magoo » Wed May 06, 2015 12:38 pm

Bezkoshtovnya wrote:
Excidium Planetis wrote:
I believe the best definition is "Not Liberal or Libertarian".

Which is even more vague. And indeed false, as there are certainly conservative libertarians.

Who are different, though, from those who call themselves just conservative, without a qualifier. True " conservative libertarians, " who are actually libertarian, seem to just be libertarians with "conservative values," but are still against militarism, corporatism, etc. that "pure" conservatives seem to be more okay with.
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Wed May 06, 2015 12:46 pm

World Anarchic Union wrote:Are there many anarchists in NS? I mean anarcho-syndicalists, anarcho-communists and the anarchists who wish total abolition of borders and capitalism. I have seen some but not many.

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