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Steamtopia
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Postby Steamtopia » Wed May 06, 2015 11:27 am

Here's another graph for you.
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Postby Vindex Nation » Wed May 06, 2015 11:29 am

Bezkoshtovnya wrote:
Vindex Nation wrote:Five as in conservatives? Or five as in right winged, ranging all the way to fascism which is way to common to see.

Socially or economically? Economically there are dozens upon dozens, socially is a bit less common but still pretty prevalent.

Both, not just one or the other.
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Postby Nirvash Type TheEND » Wed May 06, 2015 11:30 am

Steamtopia wrote:Here's another graph for you.
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I haven't been this angry in a long time.
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Postby Kelinfort » Wed May 06, 2015 11:32 am

Steamtopia wrote:Here's another graph for you.
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Wat.

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Postby Steamtopia » Wed May 06, 2015 11:33 am

Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:
Steamtopia wrote:Here's another graph for you.
(Image)

I haven't been this angry in a long time.

Let me simplify it for you.
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Postby Nirvash Type TheEND » Wed May 06, 2015 11:34 am

Steamtopia wrote:
Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:I haven't been this angry in a long time.

Let me simplify it for you.

No, it's the politicizing gender that does it.
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Postby Khorsun » Wed May 06, 2015 11:36 am

Steamtopia wrote:
Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:I haven't been this angry in a long time.

Let me simplify it for you.
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Postby Bezkoshtovnya » Wed May 06, 2015 11:40 am

Vindex Nation wrote:
Bezkoshtovnya wrote:Socially or economically? Economically there are dozens upon dozens, socially is a bit less common but still pretty prevalent.

Both, not just one or the other.

Plenty of them. Just because you personally do not encounter many that match your personal idea of conservative does not mean they do not exist.
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Postby Vindex Nation » Wed May 06, 2015 11:46 am

Bezkoshtovnya wrote:
Vindex Nation wrote:Both, not just one or the other.

Plenty of them. Just because you personally do not encounter many that match your personal idea of conservative does not mean they do not exist.

My person idea of conservative is simple. (Related to U.S politics) you are either a conservative, or not. There is no in between, and not every republican is a conservative.
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Postby Steamtopia » Wed May 06, 2015 11:49 am

Vindex Nation wrote:
Bezkoshtovnya wrote:Plenty of them. Just because you personally do not encounter many that match your personal idea of conservative does not mean they do not exist.

My person idea of conservative is simple. (Related to U.S politics) you are either a conservative, or not. There is no in between, and not every republican is a conservative.

That's not a definition.
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Wed May 06, 2015 11:50 am

Vindex Nation wrote:
Bezkoshtovnya wrote:Plenty of them. Just because you personally do not encounter many that match your personal idea of conservative does not mean they do not exist.

My person idea of conservative is simple. (Related to U.S politics) you are either a conservative, or not. There is no in between, and not every republican is a conservative.

Yes, they are. I suppose you could call Ron Paul a bit socially liberal, but yeah, that's the point of the GOP.

You obviously have either an extremely narrow or far-right definition of conservative.
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Postby Vindex Nation » Wed May 06, 2015 11:51 am

Steamtopia wrote:
Vindex Nation wrote:My person idea of conservative is simple. (Related to U.S politics) you are either a conservative, or not. There is no in between, and not every republican is a conservative.

That's not a definition.

It is very definite, the views on issues are very concrete and relatively universal.
http://www.studentnewsdaily.com/conserv ... l-beliefs/
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"The trouble with our Liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so." ~Ronald Reagan

"Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." ~William F. Buckley, Jr.

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Postby Robert Magoo » Wed May 06, 2015 11:51 am

Vindex Nation wrote:
Bezkoshtovnya wrote:Plenty of them. Just because you personally do not encounter many that match your personal idea of conservative does not mean they do not exist.

My person idea of conservative is simple. (Related to U.S politics) you are either a conservative, or not. There is no in between, and not every republican is a conservative.

Part of the problem is that the term conservative is kind of nebulous. Some conservatives are essentially classical liberals, while others are essentially the same thing as progressives, and still others are outright fascists, and all claim to be the "true" conservatives. The fact that, for example, both Rush Limbaugh and Mark Levin are considered conservatives, when they seem to have pretty different values, is evidence of this to me.
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Wed May 06, 2015 11:52 am

Robert Magoo wrote:
The Liberated Territories wrote:That graph is major bullarky

I don't think it's meant to link the various political philosophies by how similar they are, but the kind of thinking that produces them. I could be wrong though, and I have no idea how a person would determine this. I think it has just as much to do with how you're raised, your experiences and education as how you think.


Yet as an INFP I doubt I see myself similar to a Maoist.

Or as a minarchist, a Heathen anarchist or neofeudalist...
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Wed May 06, 2015 11:52 am

Vindex Nation wrote:
Steamtopia wrote:That's not a definition.

It is very definite, the views on issues are very concrete and relatively universal.
http://www.studentnewsdaily.com/conserv ... l-beliefs/

"Liberals believe in government action to achieve equal opportunity and equality for all."

And that's where I stopped reading.
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Postby Steamtopia » Wed May 06, 2015 11:53 am

Vindex Nation wrote:
Steamtopia wrote:That's not a definition.

It is very definite, the views on issues are very concrete and relatively universal.
http://www.studentnewsdaily.com/conserv ... l-beliefs/

That's a terrible article.
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Wed May 06, 2015 11:54 am

Steamtopia wrote:
Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:I haven't been this angry in a long time.

Let me simplify it for you.
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Illuminati spectrum confirmed. Political ideologies are merely a divide and conquer tactic to which the world government can better control us!
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Postby Bezkoshtovnya » Wed May 06, 2015 11:55 am

Vindex Nation wrote:
Bezkoshtovnya wrote:Plenty of them. Just because you personally do not encounter many that match your personal idea of conservative does not mean they do not exist.

My person idea of conservative is simple. (Related to U.S politics) you are either a conservative, or not. There is no in between, and not every republican is a conservative.

That is not a definition whatsoever. Labels like "conservative" and "liberal" are often very vague and have a lot of room to move around.
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Postby Bezkoshtovnya » Wed May 06, 2015 11:57 am

Vindex Nation wrote:
Steamtopia wrote:That's not a definition.

It is very definite, the views on issues are very concrete and relatively universal.
http://www.studentnewsdaily.com/conserv ... l-beliefs/

If that shit article is where you get your supposed definition, I think I see the issue.
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Postby Nirvash Type TheEND » Wed May 06, 2015 11:59 am

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
Vindex Nation wrote:It is very definite, the views on issues are very concrete and relatively universal.
http://www.studentnewsdaily.com/conserv ... l-beliefs/

"Liberals believe in government action to achieve equal opportunity and equality for all."

And that's where I stopped reading.

This is almost word for word what my father thinks liberalism is. I find it mildly perturbing.
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Postby Vindex Nation » Wed May 06, 2015 12:01 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
Vindex Nation wrote:It is very definite, the views on issues are very concrete and relatively universal.
http://www.studentnewsdaily.com/conserv ... l-beliefs/

"Liberals believe in government action to achieve equal opportunity and equality for all."

And that's where I stopped reading.

Look up the contrasts on your own then. It is not hard to find a comparison chart
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"The trouble with our Liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so." ~Ronald Reagan

"Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." ~William F. Buckley, Jr.

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Postby Vindex Nation » Wed May 06, 2015 12:02 pm

Bezkoshtovnya wrote:
Vindex Nation wrote:It is very definite, the views on issues are very concrete and relatively universal.
http://www.studentnewsdaily.com/conserv ... l-beliefs/

If that shit article is where you get your supposed definition, I think I see the issue.

For the LAST TIME IT IS NOT THAT HARD TO FIND A CHART ON YOUR OWN!
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"Don't expect to build up the weak by pulling down the strong." ~ Calvin Coolidge

"The trouble with our Liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so." ~Ronald Reagan

"Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." ~William F. Buckley, Jr.

“I've noticed that everyone who is for abortion has already been born.” ~Ronald Regan

“A liberal is a man too broadminded to take his own side in a quarrel.” ~ Robert Frost



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Postby Steamtopia » Wed May 06, 2015 12:04 pm

Vindex Nation wrote:
Bezkoshtovnya wrote:If that shit article is where you get your supposed definition, I think I see the issue.

For the LAST TIME IT IS NOT THAT HARD TO FIND A CHART ON YOUR OWN!

The problem is your definition, not ours.
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Wed May 06, 2015 12:04 pm

Vindex Nation wrote:
Bezkoshtovnya wrote:If that shit article is where you get your supposed definition, I think I see the issue.

For the LAST TIME IT IS NOT THAT HARD TO FIND A CHART ON YOUR OWN!

It's not our job. You're the one that has some strangely specific definition of a "conservative," and for some reason, you won't tell us what it is.

Unless that piece of shit article written from the view of a sheltered rich white college boy whose father knows a congressman is your actual viewpoint, in which case, the problem is now apparent.
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Postby Robert Magoo » Wed May 06, 2015 12:07 pm

The Liberated Territories wrote:
Robert Magoo wrote:I don't think it's meant to link the various political philosophies by how similar they are, but the kind of thinking that produces them. I could be wrong though, and I have no idea how a person would determine this. I think it has just as much to do with how you're raised, your experiences and education as how you think.


Yet as an INFP I doubt I see myself similar to a Maoist.

Or as a minarchist, a Heathen anarchist or neofeudalist...

I'n an INTJ, who's supposed to be ancap. I lean that direction, but can't quite embrace anarchism. So, close, but no cigar. ;)
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