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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Wed May 06, 2015 10:57 am

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Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:The fact that Ayn is remembered this way makes me sad.

How'd you like her to be remembered?

As that place where grass won't grow in the cemetery, preferably.
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Postby Robert Magoo » Wed May 06, 2015 10:58 am

Khorsun wrote:The chart explains everything.

(Image)

What does each axis represent?
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Wed May 06, 2015 10:59 am

Liptan wrote:
Steamtopia wrote:Him?


Her, nice to know you can nit pick. Point still stands.

She's dead.

And selfishness is a massive constant throughout all her literature. Especially since she blatantly advocated literal selfishness on a regular basis.
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Postby Benuty » Wed May 06, 2015 10:59 am

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
Galactic Assembly of Free Planets wrote:How'd you like her to be remembered?

As that place where grass won't grow in the cemetery, preferably.

That only happens for people who have been murdered, and their crimes remain unsolved.

As Tales from the Darkside has taught me.
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Postby Steamtopia » Wed May 06, 2015 11:00 am

Khorsun wrote:The chart explains everything.

(Image)

I, too, can find absurd charts.
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Postby Excidium Planetis » Wed May 06, 2015 11:01 am

Steamtopia wrote:
Liptan wrote:
Do you know him?

Him?


Maybe they thought we were talking about Rand Paul?
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Wed May 06, 2015 11:02 am

Steamtopia wrote:
Khorsun wrote:The chart explains everything.

(Image)

I, too, can find absurd charts.
Image

I'm dying

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Postby Khorsun » Wed May 06, 2015 11:02 am

Robert Magoo wrote:
Khorsun wrote:The chart explains everything.

(Image)

What does each axis represent?


It's a population chart. Higher = more of them on NSG
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Postby Steamtopia » Wed May 06, 2015 11:03 am

Excidium Planetis wrote:
Steamtopia wrote:Him?


Maybe they thought we were talking about Rand Paul?

I can see the confusion.
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Postby Steamtopia » Wed May 06, 2015 11:03 am

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
Steamtopia wrote:I, too, can find absurd charts.
Image

I'm dying

"Close enough"
"Close enougher"
"Close but no cigar"

I have more, if you want.
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Wed May 06, 2015 11:03 am

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
Liptan wrote:
Her, nice to know you can nit pick. Point still stands.

She's dead.

And selfishness is a massive constant throughout all her literature. Especially since she blatantly advocated literal selfishness on a regular basis.


Depends on how you define selfishness. Rand was both a rational and ethical egoist, and believed that 'selfishness' on the individual level lead to the highest good for all.
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Postby Vindex Nation » Wed May 06, 2015 11:04 am

Bezkoshtovnya wrote:
Vindex Nation wrote:It is true. 95% of the players on NS are highly liberal. And 90% of that 95% are incompetent.

Both of those stats are incredibly off kilter.

I fail to see otherwise. I have only met five other conservatives in my three years on NS. It seems that most of the people here are either hardcore liberal, communist, socialist, or anarchist. They seem to like the extremes...
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Postby Steamtopia » Wed May 06, 2015 11:05 am

Vindex Nation wrote:
Bezkoshtovnya wrote:Both of those stats are incredibly off kilter.

I fail to see otherwise. I have only met five other conservatives in my three years on NS. It seems that most of the people here are either hardcore liberal, communist, socialist, or anarchist. They seem to like the extremes...

Five? I could name dozens off the top of my head.
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Postby Excidium Planetis » Wed May 06, 2015 11:06 am

Steamtopia wrote:
Khorsun wrote:The chart explains everything.

(Image)

I, too, can find absurd charts.
Image


Hmmm, do I fall under "People who should not be allowed to vote", or "'Murica"? Who knows?
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Postby Bezkoshtovnya » Wed May 06, 2015 11:07 am

Vindex Nation wrote:
Bezkoshtovnya wrote:Both of those stats are incredibly off kilter.

I fail to see otherwise. I have only met five other conservatives in my three years on NS. It seems that most of the people here are either hardcore liberal, communist, socialist, or anarchist. They seem to like the extremes...

Then that is your issue. I have met numerous people that lean more to the right, especially economically, far more than your arbitrary 5%. Not to mention that your deeming that the majority are incompetent is complete nonsense itself.
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Wed May 06, 2015 11:07 am

Excidium Planetis wrote:
Steamtopia wrote:I, too, can find absurd charts.
Image


Hmmm, do I fall under "People who should not be allowed to vote", or "'Murica"? Who knows?


Murica should not be allowed to vote.
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Postby Steamtopia » Wed May 06, 2015 11:08 am

Excidium Planetis wrote:
Steamtopia wrote:I, too, can find absurd charts.
Image


Hmmm, do I fall under "People who should not be allowed to vote", or "'Murica"? Who knows?

I don't know. Try this chart instead.
http://i.imgur.com/aQuu4Tp.jpg
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Postby Excidium Planetis » Wed May 06, 2015 11:13 am

Steamtopia wrote:
Excidium Planetis wrote:
Hmmm, do I fall under "People who should not be allowed to vote", or "'Murica"? Who knows?

I don't know. Try this chart instead.
http://i.imgur.com/aQuu4Tp.jpg


Ah, yes. "Christian Anarchism" sounds pretty good. I'll have to find out more about that.
EDIT: Never mind, Christian Anarchists tend to support Pacifism and Vegetarianism apparently. I believe in Just War and greatly enjoy eating cows. Christian Libertarianism actually defines my views pretty well.
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Wed May 06, 2015 11:16 am

That graph is major bullarky
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Postby Fanosolia » Wed May 06, 2015 11:18 am

Steamtopia wrote:
Khorsun wrote:The chart explains everything.

(Image)

I, too, can find absurd charts.
Image

huh... I'm in between close enough, and reasonable libertarian. Though how do they define reasonable?
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Postby Old Tyrannia » Wed May 06, 2015 11:19 am

Republic of Coldwater wrote:I would suppose that NSG is definitely left wing to some extent, with a good percentage of the posters being socially liberal, and somewhat economically left-wing (although most aren't bleeding heart socialists, and still support private enterprise nonetheless, and not as left-wing as they are socially). Yet, we do have those who do not conform to this majority, but those who do not conform range from Marxist-Leninists, to Neo-Reactionaries, to Monarchists.

Oddly enough, I don't think I've ever actually seen a neoreactionary on NationStates. There's us regular reactionaries, but the Dark Enlightenment goons appear to be keeping away.
Steamtopia wrote:I, too, can find absurd charts.

Apparently, I'm close but no cigar. :(
Khorsun wrote:The chart explains everything.


That's not entirely inaccurate as a population chart, actually. Although I'm not sure where I'd fall.
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Postby Vindex Nation » Wed May 06, 2015 11:19 am

Steamtopia wrote:
Vindex Nation wrote:I fail to see otherwise. I have only met five other conservatives in my three years on NS. It seems that most of the people here are either hardcore liberal, communist, socialist, or anarchist. They seem to like the extremes...

Five? I could name dozens off the top of my head.

Five as in conservatives? Or five as in right winged, ranging all the way to fascism which is way to common to see.
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Robert Magoo
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Postby Robert Magoo » Wed May 06, 2015 11:20 am

The Liberated Territories wrote:That graph is major bullarky

I don't think it's meant to link the various political philosophies by how similar they are, but the kind of thinking that produces them. I could be wrong though, and I have no idea how a person would determine this. I think it has just as much to do with how you're raised, your experiences and education as how you think.
Economic Left/Right: 3.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.33

Moral Compass- Rationalist (Q1): 8,9.9

Build up your wealth and give it away, but don't let the state take it. Help those in need and love your neighbor as yourself.

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Postby Robert Magoo » Wed May 06, 2015 11:22 am

Fanosolia wrote:
Steamtopia wrote:I, too, can find absurd charts.
Image

huh... I'm in between close enough, and reasonable libertarian. Though how do they define reasonable?

According to what the creator likes.
Economic Left/Right: 3.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.33

Moral Compass- Rationalist (Q1): 8,9.9

Build up your wealth and give it away, but don't let the state take it. Help those in need and love your neighbor as yourself.

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Postby Bezkoshtovnya » Wed May 06, 2015 11:24 am

Vindex Nation wrote:
Steamtopia wrote:Five? I could name dozens off the top of my head.

Five as in conservatives? Or five as in right winged, ranging all the way to fascism which is way to common to see.

Socially or economically? Economically there are dozens upon dozens, socially is a bit less common but still pretty prevalent.
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