NSG, extraordinarily liberal?

[Pan-America under the United States]

Mostly, yes.

Yes, you agree, or yes, you disagree?

Derp.

Sorry about that.

Yes, I agree with OP.

[Arcturus Novus]

Yes, you agree, or yes, you disagree?

Derp.

Sorry about that.

Yes, I agree with OP.

You're good, just clarifying

[Living Freedom Land]

I feel like the site is rather leftish, but I'm an ancap so my point of view is pretty skewed.

However, it's certainly not like the average NSGer is a devoted marxist or anything.

[Lumeau]

I'm going to try to answer this fairly and honestly.

I believe NS as a whole leans to the left, but you have to think "in comparison to what?" A lot of the ideologies you see more on NS, while considered liberal in America, would be very mainstream and centrist in western Europe.

Honestly, though, we have plenty of conservatives here, and I think that conservatives who bring reasonable points to the table are welcomed here.

If you try and back up your arguments with purely religious justifications, say trite things like "pull yourself up by your bootstraps," or argue for clearly authoritarian policies like chucking people in jail for pot or expanding the NSA, you will be shat upon.

But if you can make an intelligent case for limited government and open markets - or for anything, really - you will be treated with respect by most.

A big part of the problem is that a lot of mainstream GOP candidates these days are seen as supporting things that are obviously not true or bad policy - too many climate science deniers and people who think all of our country's problems can be solved by cutting taxes for the rich and "getting closer to God." So calling yourself a conservative, rightly or wrongly, will get you lumped in with these people.

The Democrats obviously don't have all the solutions either, but their lack of obviously "WTF" platitudes has given them the status of "the sane alternative," even among those who many not particularly like the Democratic Party as a whole.

Basically, argue from facts and statistics, not opinions thinly veiled as facts, and you will be fine. It's fine if you're religious, but most people here, myself included, will not take kindly to people yammering on about how THEIR religion is the right one. The US is a secular state, like it or not, and religious faith is not a good basis for policy, especially considering many right-wing politicians make a living simply by saying "God" a bunch of times during their campaign spots. If you can discuss your religion from a rational place, though, you will be fine.

[Gold Harbor]

Having a Kenyan communist who doesn't wear a flag lapel pin emboldens the sjw types on the internet to rear their ugly heads so now we have a commie majority on nsg.

[Arcturus Novus]

Having a Kenyan communist who doesn't wear a flag lapel pin emboldens the sjw types on the internet to rear their ugly heads so now we have a commie majority on nsg.

*sniff*

I smell bad satire.

[Republic of the Cristo]

I'm going to try to answer this fairly and honestly.

I believe NS as a whole leans to the left, but you have to think "in comparison to what?" A lot of the ideologies you see more on NS, while considered liberal in America, would be very mainstream and centrist in western Europe.

Honestly, though, we have plenty of conservatives here, and I think that conservatives who bring reasonable points to the table are welcomed here.

If you try and back up your arguments with purely religious justifications, say trite things like "pull yourself up by your bootstraps," or argue for clearly authoritarian policies like chucking people in jail for pot or expanding the NSA, you will be shat upon.

But if you can make an intelligent case for limited government and open markets - or for anything, really - you will be treated with respect by most.

A big part of the problem is that a lot of mainstream GOP candidates these days are seen as supporting things that are obviously not true or bad policy - too many climate science deniers and people who think all of our country's problems can be solved by cutting taxes for the rich and "getting closer to God." So calling yourself a conservative, rightly or wrongly, will get you lumped in with these people.

The Democrats obviously don't have all the solutions either, but their lack of obviously "WTF" platitudes has given them the status of "the sane alternative," even among those who many not particularly like the Democratic Party as a whole.

Basically, argue from facts and statistics, not opinions thinly veiled as facts, and you will be fine. It's fine if you're religious, but most people here, myself included, will not take kindly to people yammering on about how THEIR religion is the right one. The US is a secular state, like it or not, and religious faith is not a good basis for policy, especially considering many right-wing politicians make a living simply by saying "God" a bunch of times during their campaign spots. If you can discuss your religion from a rational place, though, you will be fine.

I wouldn't say secular, more apathetic.

[Lumeau]

I wouldn't say secular, more apathetic.

Secular STATE. As in government operations. Not talking about the beliefs of American citizens.

[Kelinfort]

From an American persuasion, yes.
From a European persuasion, no.

I think the site is skewed towards liberty more so than the left.

[Tsaraine]

Having a Kenyan communist who doesn't wear a flag lapel pin emboldens the sjw types on the internet to rear their ugly heads so now we have a commie majority on nsg.

Combined with your recent history of trolling, this instance gets you a *** seven-day ban for trolling ***.

~ Tsar the Mod.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

My friends in business and political organizations think I'm fairly liberal but on this site I feel like a conservative, lol.

Can anyone relate?

I'm fairly new here and would kinda like a casual go around about what NSG is like and what I can expect from my view points.

I'm business friendly, socially liberal (excluding abortion and feminism), and pretty much what my sig says so yeah.

So you're pro-wage slavery and are anti-women's rights. Yeah, that's not fucking good.

And that's how it is in America, where being firmly planted in the right/far right is the most common accepted ground.

[Mysterious Stranger]

Being on the internet, liberal and libertarian views are overrepresented.

[Steamtopia]

This place leans liberal, but you can still find plenty of people who disagree on virtually every topic. Ever.

[The Liberated Territories]

This place leans liberal, but you can still find plenty of people who disagree on virtually every topic. Ever.

I disagree.

[Finland SSR]

News flash: NSG is in fact a liberal circlejerk. And scientists prove that water is wet.

[Caille]

My friends in business and political organizations think I'm fairly liberal but on this site I feel like a conservative, lol.

Can anyone relate?

I'm fairly new here and would kinda like a casual go around about what NSG is like and what I can expect from my view points.

I'm business friendly, socially liberal (excluding abortion and feminism), and pretty much what my sig says so yeah.

So you're pro-wage slavery and are anti-women's rights. Yeah, that's not fucking good.

And that's how it is in America, where being firmly planted in the right/far right is the most common accepted ground.

We need to discuss the merits of policy and examine the evidence instead of resorting to demonizing the beliefs of millions of people.

[Naushantiya]

NSG is neo-colonial not liberal my friend and extremly pro western

[Prussia-Steinbach]

We need to discuss the merits of policy and examine the evidence instead of resorting to demonizing the beliefs of millions of people.

There is no excuse for being against feminism in this day and age. No excuse. If you are against feminism you are against the equality of women with men and that is unacceptable. No tolerance for intolerance. I will gladly demonize those who do not think women are equals.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

NSG is neo-colonial not liberal my friend and extremly pro western

...what? Not extremely. And I'd say it's overall definitely center-left, when averaged out.

[Wulfenia]

It sure seems that way.

We need to discuss the merits of policy and examine the evidence instead of resorting to demonizing the beliefs of millions of people.

There is no excuse for being against feminism in this day and age. No excuse. If you are against feminism you are against the equality of women with men and that is unacceptable. No tolerance for intolerance. I will gladly demonize those who do not think women are equals.

Huh, I can't be for women's rights, but dislike a silly movement that attempts to monopolize it? What the fuck.

Oh, yeah, +A for irony, mate.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

It sure seems that way.

There is no excuse for being against feminism in this day and age. No excuse. If you are against feminism you are against the equality of women with men and that is unacceptable. No tolerance for intolerance. I will gladly demonize those who do not think women are equals.

Huh, I can't be for women's rights, but dislike a silly movement that attempts to monopolize it? What the fuck.

Oh, yeah, +A for irony, mate.

Do you have any clue what feminism is? Stupid question, you obviously don't.

fem·i·nism
ˈfeməˌnizəm
noun
the advocacy of women's rights on the grounds of political, social, and economic equality to men.

If you do not support feminism, by definition, you do not support the equality of women and men. I have no clue what "silly movement" you're talking about, unless it's the one that advocates for women's rights, in which case, again, do you know what feminism is?

[Finland SSR]

It sure seems that way.


Huh, I can't be for women's rights, but dislike a silly movement that attempts to monopolize it? What the fuck.

Oh, yeah, +A for irony, mate.

Do you have any clue what feminism is? Stupid question, you obviously don't.

fem·i·nism
ˈfeməˌnizəm
noun
the advocacy of women's rights on the grounds of political, social, and economic equality to men.

If you do not support feminism, by definition, you do not support the equality of women and men. I have no clue what "silly movement" you're talking about, unless it's the one that advocates for women's rights, in which case, again, do you know what feminism is?

You don't have to be a feminist to support equal women-men rights.

[Mysterious Stranger]

We need to discuss the merits of policy and examine the evidence instead of resorting to demonizing the beliefs of millions of people.

There is no excuse for being against feminism in this day and age. No excuse. If you are against feminism you are against the equality of women with men and that is unacceptable. No tolerance for intolerance. I will gladly demonize those who do not think women are equals.

This might be an illustrative case for why that philosophy has certain limitations, though, because Albion didn't actually say he didn't think women were equals. That's an assumption, but it might or might not be accurate. It's possible that he simply disagrees with your assessment that "thinking women are equals implies supporting abortion." Now, he might or might not be correct about that, but if your reason for justifying demonizing him is that he doesn't think women are equal, that might not actually be true. So that becomes the problem. What's understood and expressed as "I will gladly demonize those who do not think women are equals" kind of has this unspoken assumption that "I know who thinks women are equals without asking them," making it in practice "I will gladly demonize those who I expect or I assume do not think women are equals," which, I think, is a somewhat weaker statement.

[Kolintha]

We need to discuss the merits of policy and examine the evidence instead of resorting to demonizing the beliefs of millions of people.

There is no excuse for being against feminism in this day and age. No excuse. If you are against feminism you are against the equality of women with men and that is unacceptable. No tolerance for intolerance. I will gladly demonize those who do not think women are equals.

Some disagree with feminism due to the feminism movement and it's actions. Many of these people still believe in egalitarianism and the right for EVERYBODY to be equal, but do not want to stick to the label of feminism, which has a lot of baggage with it due to the extremist views some feminists hold.

So no, anti-feminist is not anti-woman.

To relate to the topic at hand: NSG is liberal if one looks at it from the perspective of the US. Everywhere else, it's pretty centrist. Or to the left of centre.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Do you have any clue what feminism is? Stupid question, you obviously don't.

fem·i·nism
ˈfeməˌnizəm
noun
the advocacy of women's rights on the grounds of political, social, and economic equality to men.

If you do not support feminism, by definition, you do not support the equality of women and men. I have no clue what "silly movement" you're talking about, unless it's the one that advocates for women's rights, in which case, again, do you know what feminism is?

You don't have to be a feminist to support equal women-men rights.

Yes. You do. I literally just proved you do. If you support equal rights, you are a feminist. That's the fucking definition.