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Who would you _currently_ vote for?

Conservatives
73
21%
Labour
71
21%
Liberal Democrats
47
14%
UKIP
57
17%
Greens [England & Wales, Scotland, or NI]
39
11%
SNP
19
6%
Plaid Cymru
3
1%
Northern Ireland SF/SDLP
11
3%
Northern Ireland DUP/UUP
2
1%
Other (please explain)
18
5%
 
Total votes : 340

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Postby United Kingdom of Kent » Thu May 07, 2015 5:43 am

Frasers wrote:
United Kingdom of Kent wrote:Voting cast in favour of UKIP, now the waiting game for the results.


Which Kent constituency?


I'm at university right now so voted here, but if I was home would have been in South Thanet.
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Postby The Archregimancy » Thu May 07, 2015 5:44 am

Frasers wrote:
The Archregimancy wrote:The degree is formally in anthropology, but at Cambridge this required him to study both archaeology and anthropology.

And anyway, I have an anthropology degree too.


Yeah I'm doing an anthropology degree but it's in the Archaeology department at uni, it's all tied up.


Not necessarily - writing as someone who was teaching in the archaeology department of a British university until 2013, it rather depends on where you study the subject. At some universities the subjects are wholly distinct, but at Cambridge, studying anthropology would have required Clegg to also study archaeology (as we indeed know he did).

That said, it might have been more pedantically accurate for me to write "both Clegg and I studied archaeology as part of our undergraduate anthropology degrees"; unlike Clegg, I then went on to get two postgraduate degrees - this time specifically in archaeology.
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Postby Eastfield Lodge » Thu May 07, 2015 5:47 am

United Kingdom of Kent wrote:
Frasers wrote:
Which Kent constituency?


I'm at university right now so voted here, but if I was home would have been in South Thanet.

At least that was one less vote for Nigel Farage. :p
Honestly, I really want him not to win South Thanet, and see if he really follows up on his promise.
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Postby Frasers » Thu May 07, 2015 5:48 am

United Kingdom of Kent wrote:I'm at university right now so voted here, but if I was home would have been in South Thanet.


You could always have postal voted?

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Postby The Archregimancy » Thu May 07, 2015 5:49 am

Angleter wrote:I know it's silly, but the one concern I have remaining about STV (and specifically STV - I'd oppose any system that would involve party lists) is that it'd in all likelihood ruin election night. But oh, well.


I have a surprising amount of sympathy for you there. I do really enjoy staying up on election night, regardless of the result (1992 was a particular low point, not just because Major unexpectedly won, but because my then-fiancee broke up with me the same day).

But my experience of living in Australia through two Australian elections suggests that the experience under systems involving fiendishly complicated electoral systems is still exciting - just different and a lot more drawn out.

Just so long as we don't import the invidious Australian senate election practice of allowing people to vote either above or below the line.

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Postby Frasers » Thu May 07, 2015 5:54 am

The Archregimancy wrote:Not necessarily - writing as someone who was teaching in the archaeology department of a British university until 2013, it rather depends on where you study the subject. At some universities the subjects are wholly distinct, but at Cambridge, studying anthropology would have required Clegg to also study archaeology (as we indeed know he did).

That said, it might have been more pedantically accurate for me to write "both Clegg and I studied archaeology as part of our undergraduate anthropology degrees"; unlike Clegg, I then went on to get two postgraduate degrees - this time specifically in archaeology.


I can only speak from my personal experience, and the people I know at other unis who are doing similar courses, and they're in a similar boat to me, I know one girl who's doing Archaeology and Anthropology at Bristol for example, I think Birmingham unifies the two subjects as well although I could be wrong.

I honestly had no idea Clegg had studied anthropology though, I just assumed he'd be PPE or history or something until you made your previous post.

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Postby Greater-London » Thu May 07, 2015 6:00 am

Eastfield Lodge wrote:At least that was one less vote for Nigel Farage. :p
Honestly, I really want him not to win South Thanet, and see if he really follows up on his promise.


He'll have to. If he doesn't UKIP loose its "Were different" "we keep our pledges" vibe. I'm curious as to whether or not Nige will win in South Thanet I don't think he will. If he does however I don't think UKIP will be going anywhere anytime soon. They've always focused on 2020 as the election where they break the mold - if Nigel and a few others get in then it will encorouge more Conservatives to switch AND come the EU referendum deffections, when the Tory top brass inevitably end up campaiging for "in"
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Postby Frasers » Thu May 07, 2015 6:06 am

Greater-London wrote:He'll have to. If he doesn't UKIP loose its "Were different" "we keep our pledges" vibe. I'm curious as to whether or not Nige will win in South Thanet I don't think he will. If he does however I don't think UKIP will be going anywhere anytime soon. They've always focused on 2020 as the election where they break the mold - if Nigel and a few others get in then it will encorouge more Conservatives to switch AND come the EU referendum deffections, when the Tory top brass inevitably end up campaiging for "in"


I can't remember if I already posted this, but South Thanet it make or break for UKIP. If Farage doesn't get a foot in the door at Westminster he has to step down as leader, then it's game over for UKIP because they are pretty much a one man party.

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Postby United Kingdom of Kent » Thu May 07, 2015 6:08 am

Frasers wrote:
United Kingdom of Kent wrote:I'm at university right now so voted here, but if I was home would have been in South Thanet.


You could always have postal voted?


It's my first general election so had a sort of thing about wanting to place it in the poll box myself.
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Postby Frasers » Thu May 07, 2015 6:11 am

United Kingdom of Kent wrote:It's my first general election so had a sort of thing about wanting to place it in the poll box myself.


Fair enough, where you at uni? UKIP got any chance at all where you are?

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Postby Greater-London » Thu May 07, 2015 6:11 am

Frasers wrote:I can't remember if I already posted this, but South Thanet it make or break for UKIP. If Farage doesn't get a foot in the door at Westminster he has to step down as leader, then it's game over for UKIP because they are pretty much a one man party.


True. Although I think if they did exceptionally well, say 7 or 8 seats (wont happen, but yeah) then maybe it shows that UKIP has outgrown Nigel? Also I think it depends who they get in to replace him; if they managed to make a massive first impression - as in as big a personality as Nigel then I don't see why they can't carry the flame.
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Postby Kvatchdom » Thu May 07, 2015 6:36 am

Huh. Fairly surprised so many people here support UKIP. Guess I'm too used to left-wingers taking control of threads like these.

Anywhoo, I'd vote Conservative.
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Postby Arglorand » Thu May 07, 2015 6:50 am

Shamhnan Insir wrote:
Frasers wrote:
Was for the SNP


True, sadly not for Scotland though.

A flurry of political activity unforeseen and unseen before, and a fierce wish across just short of the majority of the population to do something better than the honestly crappy status quo, is a negative?
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Postby Napkiraly » Thu May 07, 2015 6:52 am

Friend is rather miffed for whom I voted for

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Postby Arglorand » Thu May 07, 2015 6:52 am

hell on that note

Napkiraly wrote:Friend is rather miffed for whom I voted for

I'm guessing Labour?
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Postby Napkiraly » Thu May 07, 2015 6:52 am

Arglorand wrote:hell on that note

Napkiraly wrote:Friend is rather miffed for whom I voted for

I'm guessing Labour?

No UKIP

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Postby Arglorand » Thu May 07, 2015 6:53 am

Napkiraly wrote:
Arglorand wrote:hell on that note


I'm guessing Labour?

No UKIP

... u serious
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Postby Napkiraly » Thu May 07, 2015 6:54 am

Arglorand wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:No UKIP

... u serious

Maxine Spencer, UKIP candidate for Holborn and St Pancras

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Postby Arglorand » Thu May 07, 2015 6:55 am

Napkiraly wrote:
Arglorand wrote:... u serious

Maxine Spencer, UKIP candidate for Holborn and St Pancras

why
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Postby Napkiraly » Thu May 07, 2015 6:56 am

Arglorand wrote:
Napkiraly wrote:Maxine Spencer, UKIP candidate for Holborn and St Pancras

why

For shits and giggles actually

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Postby Val Halla » Thu May 07, 2015 6:57 am

My prediction.

Stuff is gonna be tied between Labour & Tories. Tories enter a coalition with UKIP, Labour refuse the SNP.
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Postby Valaran » Thu May 07, 2015 7:02 am

Val Halla wrote:My prediction.

Stuff is gonna be tied between Labour & Tories. Tories enter a coalition with UKIP, Labour refuse the SNP.



The Tories entering with UKIP would add under 4 seats to their total.... which would make no difference at all.

The most likeliest outcomes is either a minority government, or some unwieldy Labour informal agreement with the SNP and the lib-dems.


Edit: I also really hope the Tories wouldn't do something like that anyway.
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Postby Atlanticatia » Thu May 07, 2015 7:02 am

I saw that final polls had a one point lead for Labour. The suspense is killing me.
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Postby Valaran » Thu May 07, 2015 7:06 am

Atlanticatia wrote:I saw that final polls had a one point lead for Labour. The suspense is killing me.


Its a little more complicated - the phone typically polls had the Tories leading by 1-2 points (usually about 34-35% to Labour's 32-33%) but the internet polls had them level pegging (or 1% in either direction).

But these are all well within the margins of error, and obviously it depends what happens in the marginal seats.
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