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Who would you _currently_ vote for?

Conservatives
73
21%
Labour
71
21%
Liberal Democrats
47
14%
UKIP
57
17%
Greens [England & Wales, Scotland, or NI]
39
11%
SNP
19
6%
Plaid Cymru
3
1%
Northern Ireland SF/SDLP
11
3%
Northern Ireland DUP/UUP
2
1%
Other (please explain)
18
5%
 
Total votes : 340

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Postby The Heart of Hypatia » Wed Aug 26, 2015 3:55 pm

Grave_n_idle wrote:
The Heart of Hypatia wrote:I don't even know where to begin with this whole special carriage idea. If you are abused or assaulted on a train inform the staff, if they don't take your complaint seriously inform the police, and if they don't take your complaint seriously inform the Independent Police Complaints Commission. If all of those options fail then it's time to involve the press and your member of parliament, if you haven't already.

I don't even think people being anti-social on public transport is a gendered issue, generally speaking. Different categories of anti-social behaviour seem to be dominated by single groups, sure, but speaking purely anecdotally I don't think I have ever felt more uncomfortable on public transport than when sharing it with mouthy, drunk women.

There's a difference between feeling uncomfortable and being sexually assaulted.

Sexual assault is one of the categories I implied was dominated by one group, and again it's anecdotal, but you'll never guess which group in my experience does the non-sexual assault. Yep, that's why I am made more uncomfortable around other women (especially if they're drunk) than men on public transport.
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Postby Pesda » Wed Aug 26, 2015 7:14 pm

The Archregimancy wrote:
Belivonia wrote:
Immigration. Walk down the street and you will think you are in Islamabad.


I showed my wife this; in the last five years she's spent time working in both Islamabad and London.

I think her response is worth quoting in full:

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA.

Really, that comparison richly deserved all of the ridicule to which it'll likely now be subjected.

Out of interest, do you show your wife many things that you see on Nationstates? Imagine how many HA's there could be.
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Postby The Matthew Islands » Thu Aug 27, 2015 5:51 am

Coraspia wrote:
The Matthew Islands wrote:Well yes I suppose that train operators will add or subtract carriages as demand dictates but I don't that was what Grave_n_idle was getting it, its more about Coraspia's random notion that if the trains were nationalised every train line everywhere would have the exact same amount of carriages regardless of demand or distance.

That wasn't what I said at all. I said we didn't know what would happen if they were nationalised.

So what was the point of saying 'nationalisation loves standardisation'?

*edit* during a discussion about whether extra carriages would need to be added.
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Postby Elepis » Thu Aug 27, 2015 6:04 am

Belivonia wrote:
Knokkeheist wrote:What are the current issues in London and the UK in general?

I'm going to london on 31 december.


Immigration. Walk down the street and you will think you are in Islamabad.
600,000 Native-British people have left London because of this, effectively making them the minority.

(that wouldn't really mind you,)

also, a real problem is the prices. Central-London is surreal expensive, especially Camden Town and the high-street.


Have you ever been to London or Pakistan? I have been to both and I can tell you this as a fact, London is nothing like Islamabad. Also, who are these "Native British" people? they must be very, very, very, very old, like 2,000 years old.
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Not sure that'll work on Elepis considering he dislikes (from what I've observed):
A: Nationalism
B: Religion being taken seriously
C: The Irish"

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Postby Elepis » Thu Aug 27, 2015 6:08 am

The separate tube/railways carriages (also suggested by a TORY AND A LIB DEM) does strike me as a bit odd (and I am a committed Corbyn supporter, that is his only "policy" [it has not been decided yet] that I am not sure on) but then again I am not female and I have not lived in London for five year now so I am not really qualified to say
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A: Nationalism
B: Religion being taken seriously
C: The Irish"

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Postby L Ron Cupboard » Thu Aug 27, 2015 6:24 am

I know Huff Post isn't much of a source but this is outrageous:

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/08 ... _hp_ref=tw

More than 4,000 people died within six weeks of being found “fit for work”, the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) has revealed.

Figures released today show that between December 2011 to February 2014, 4,010 people died after being told they should find work following a “Work Capability Assessment”.

Of that figure, 1,360 died after losing an appeal against the decision.

The figures have only been released after the Information Commission overruled a Government decision to block the statistics being made public.


I wish unpleasant things on Iain Duncan Smith.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Thu Aug 27, 2015 6:28 am

L Ron Cupboard wrote:I know Huff Post isn't much of a source but this is outrageous:

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/08 ... _hp_ref=tw

More than 4,000 people died within six weeks of being found “fit for work”, the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) has revealed.

Figures released today show that between December 2011 to February 2014, 4,010 people died after being told they should find work following a “Work Capability Assessment”.

Of that figure, 1,360 died after losing an appeal against the decision.

The figures have only been released after the Information Commission overruled a Government decision to block the statistics being made public.


I wish unpleasant things on Iain Duncan Smith.


My mother was just declared fit for work.
Me and my sister have had to give her part of our incomes. We don't mind, she is our mother after all, but fuck the tory government.
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Postby The Heart of Hypatia » Thu Aug 27, 2015 6:31 am

L Ron Cupboard wrote:I wish unpleasant things on Iain Duncan Smith.

Hopefully this will start a massive backlash against the government.

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Postby Great Nepal » Thu Aug 27, 2015 6:53 am

L Ron Cupboard wrote:I know Huff Post isn't much of a source but this is outrageous:

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/08 ... _hp_ref=tw

More than 4,000 people died within six weeks of being found “fit for work”, the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) has revealed.

Figures released today show that between December 2011 to February 2014, 4,010 people died after being told they should find work following a “Work Capability Assessment”.

Of that figure, 1,360 died after losing an appeal against the decision.

The figures have only been released after the Information Commission overruled a Government decision to block the statistics being made public.


I wish unpleasant things on Iain Duncan Smith.

Rather disingenuous to say that without providing how many people were actually found fit for work during that period. Assuming equal distribution, during that period 392,161+ people were found fit to work (during October 2008 to March 2013, 980,400 new ESA applicants were found fit to work working out to 178,255 per year). So we are looking at 1.02% death rate during that time compared to death rate of 0.934% (9.34 per 1000 people) among general population - roughly similar.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Thu Aug 27, 2015 7:03 am

The Heart of Hypatia wrote:
L Ron Cupboard wrote:I wish unpleasant things on Iain Duncan Smith.

Hopefully this will start a massive backlash against the government.

There's been backlash for five years, nothing has changed or happened.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Thu Aug 27, 2015 7:04 am

L Ron Cupboard wrote:I know Huff Post isn't much of a source but this is outrageous:

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/08 ... _hp_ref=tw

More than 4,000 people died within six weeks of being found “fit for work”, the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) has revealed.

Figures released today show that between December 2011 to February 2014, 4,010 people died after being told they should find work following a “Work Capability Assessment”.

Of that figure, 1,360 died after losing an appeal against the decision.

The figures have only been released after the Information Commission overruled a Government decision to block the statistics being made public.


I wish unpleasant things on Iain Duncan Smith.

To make critical assessment, I think we need to see how many people previously on disability benefit existed, and of those, how many were declared fit for work and how many died whilst on benefits.
How many people died while generally under sanction would make for necessary if utterly depressing reading.
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Postby Normandy and Picardy » Thu Aug 27, 2015 7:09 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:
L Ron Cupboard wrote:I know Huff Post isn't much of a source but this is outrageous:

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/08 ... _hp_ref=tw



I wish unpleasant things on Iain Duncan Smith.

To make critical assessment, I think we need to see how many people previously on disability benefit existed, and of those, how many were declared fit for work and how many died whilst on benefits.
How many people died while generally under sanction would make for necessary if utterly depressing reading.


Unfortunately, that probably won't happen (for a while at least) if the DWP aren't overruled. There's an article I found here.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Thu Aug 27, 2015 7:15 am

I expected so little of Huffpost, I didn't bother to read the article.
Some of the statistics I suggested we need are actually listed.
KEY STATS

Total number of ESA and IB/SDA benefit claimants who died between December 2011 and February 2014 - 81,140.

Of the 50,580 ESA claimants who died in that time, 7,200 were placed in the "Work Related Activity Group" - the group which the DWP consider are capable of taking immediate steps towards being in work.

Of the 50,580 ESA claimants who died in that time, 3,720 were deemed "fit for work" after an assessment.

Of the 30,560 IB/SDA claimants who died in that time, 290 were deemed "fit for work" after and assessment.

Between 2003 to 2013, the mortality rate of those on out-of-work benefits dropped from 822 per 100,000, to 723 per 100,000.

The general working age mortality rate dropped from 305 per 100,000 to 240 over the same period.

The mortality rate of those on Jobseeker's Allowance is lower than those in work - 218 per 100,000 in 2003 to 138 per 100,000 in 2013
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Postby Parti Ouvrier » Thu Aug 27, 2015 7:49 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:I expected so little of Huffpost, I didn't bother to read the article.
Some of the statistics I suggested we need are actually listed.
KEY STATS

Total number of ESA and IB/SDA benefit claimants who died between December 2011 and February 2014 - 81,140.

Of the 50,580 ESA claimants who died in that time, 7,200 were placed in the "Work Related Activity Group" - the group which the DWP consider are capable of taking immediate steps towards being in work.

Of the 50,580 ESA claimants who died in that time, 3,720 were deemed "fit for work" after an assessment.

Of the 30,560 IB/SDA claimants who died in that time, 290 were deemed "fit for work" after and assessment.

Between 2003 to 2013, the mortality rate of those on out-of-work benefits dropped from 822 per 100,000, to 723 per 100,000.

The general working age mortality rate dropped from 305 per 100,000 to 240 over the same period.

The mortality rate of those on Jobseeker's Allowance is lower than those in work - 218 per 100,000 in 2003 to 138 per 100,000 in 2013


Daily Record is posting articles about the sanctions regime, etc.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scott ... re-6320363
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/polit ... th-6313075
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Thu Aug 27, 2015 8:57 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:
L Ron Cupboard wrote:I know Huff Post isn't much of a source but this is outrageous:

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/08 ... _hp_ref=tw



I wish unpleasant things on Iain Duncan Smith.


My mother was just declared fit for work.
Me and my sister have had to give her part of our incomes. We don't mind, she is our mother after all, but fuck the tory government.

My mother was declared fit for work a few years ago by a doctor despite having extensive medical conditions which cause her to lose control of parts of her body and face, become exhausted in an instant, and has heart issues for the last ten years and is on extensive medical treatment for all of that.

Want to know why she was declared fit for work? Because she walked twenty feet down a corridor with a handbag to see said doctor.

The amount of utter scumbags detached from reality who get into positions of power is just... words cannot describe my anger to them (Clarification: not the Doctor, people like Smith who enforce this crap)
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Thu Aug 27, 2015 9:01 am

The Archregimancy wrote:
Belivonia wrote:
Immigration. Walk down the street and you will think you are in Islamabad.


I showed my wife this; in the last five years she's spent time working in both Islamabad and London.

I think her response is worth quoting in full:

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA.

Really, that comparison richly deserved all of the ridicule to which it'll likely now be subjected.

Yeah i think this is the best reaction possible to that statement.
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Postby CoraSpia » Thu Aug 27, 2015 9:01 am

I heard somewhere (don't quote me on it) that doctors had a quota to declare a certain amount of people fit for work.

But anyway, we know that this sort of testing is wrong, inhumane and generally shitty. Is their something we don't know?
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Thu Aug 27, 2015 9:05 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
My mother was just declared fit for work.
Me and my sister have had to give her part of our incomes. We don't mind, she is our mother after all, but fuck the tory government.

My mother was declared fit for work a few years ago by a doctor despite having extensive medical conditions which cause her to lose control of parts of her body and face, become exhausted in an instant, and has heart issues for the last ten years and is on extensive medical treatment for all of that.

Want to know why she was declared fit for work? Because she walked twenty feet down a corridor with a handbag to see said doctor.

The amount of utter scumbags detached from reality who get into positions of power is just... words cannot describe my anger to them.

Assessors don't brand people fit to work out of malice. They are ground down with IDS's oppressive jackboot. A rigid checklist of factors that will disqualify them from continued benefit and no framework to leave it?

It's going to happen, let's face it. Blame rests with upper management not the drones in the front.
Do you blame the lad who mans the bakery oven in Tesco for Tesco's policy of throwing away perfectly good food rather than donating it?
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Thu Aug 27, 2015 9:06 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:My mother was declared fit for work a few years ago by a doctor despite having extensive medical conditions which cause her to lose control of parts of her body and face, become exhausted in an instant, and has heart issues for the last ten years and is on extensive medical treatment for all of that.

Want to know why she was declared fit for work? Because she walked twenty feet down a corridor with a handbag to see said doctor.

The amount of utter scumbags detached from reality who get into positions of power is just... words cannot describe my anger to them.

Assessors don't brand people fit to work out of malice. They are ground down with IDS's oppressive jackboot. A rigid checklist of factors that will disqualify them from continued benefit and no framework to leave it?

It's going to happen, let's face it. Blame rests with upper management not the drones in the front.
Do you blame the lad who mans the bakery oven in Tesco for Tesco's policy of throwing away perfectly good food rather than donating it?
Of course you don't.

No i dont, i was directing my anger towards the likes of Smith, should have made it clearer, sorry.
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Postby Val Halla » Thu Aug 27, 2015 9:07 am

Is it just me, or is the anti immigration crowd strongest in places where there aren't immigrants?
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Postby The Matthew Islands » Thu Aug 27, 2015 9:08 am

I can't do much at the minute since I'm using my phone on the bog and my dad is shouting at me to hurry, so do the stats actually show that the deaths are directly linked? Coz I read in the Guardian that apparently they don't conclusively show a link and that caution must be used.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Thu Aug 27, 2015 9:10 am

Val Halla wrote:Is it just me, or is the anti immigration crowd strongest in places where there aren't immigrants?

You know it honestly would not surprise me. I remember seeing a snippet of a documentary looking at the BNP a few years back, and this woman was handing out leaflets for them and talking about how bad it was for immigrants to come in, and all that rubbish about no longer being British. And she was doing it in a completely white English environment.

So like i said it would honestly not surprise me if a good chunk of them were.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Thu Aug 27, 2015 9:11 am

It was more for general benefit, since it's quickly forgotten by many people.

For example, the claimant at my local jobcentre who apparently took out his frustrations on four employees' cars.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Thu Aug 27, 2015 9:11 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:It was more for general benefit, since it's quickly forgotten by many people.

For example, the claimant at my local jobcentre who apparently took out his frustrations on four employees' cars.

Okay that is just fucking stupid and way over the top.
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