2015 UK Politics Megathread

[The Matthew Islands]

Like 4 pound a pint if your lucky so probably about 5 euros.

Like I said, shithole.

And the beer is hit or miss in a lot of pubs these days. I stuck to buying good German or Czech ones even though they're pricier.

Beer, or at least everything that isn't fosters, Carling etc. is always a hit and miss. Best way is to find a beer you like, then see what pubs the brewery owns.

[The Matthew Islands]

Only if they stopped bringing in money. Then it would probably be off to the blasphemy trials with them.

Or rather to reword it, the UAE likely allows Europeans to do all that because they know they wouldn't get away with treating them like they treat other immigrants from poorer countries that don't have the means to stand up to then. You know, torture, people vanishing, sexual abuse of domestic workers.

I wouldn't dispute for a second that South Asians labourers are often treated very badly in the UAE, but there's a substantial community of middle class and wealthy South Asians - who outnumber both white European immigrants and Emiratis. They have their own supermarkets, their own restaurants, their own places of worship (including at least one prominent Hindu temple), and I can assure you that there are large parts of Dubai - especially Old Dubai - that are considerably more like, say, Islamabad or Mumbai, than London is.

So it's not just about Europeans, and it's a vast oversimplification to think that 'immigrants from poorer countries' in the UAE are all poor Indians and Nepalis who are being forced to work on dangerous construction sites and/or being sexually abused.

And regardless of the above, the percentage of Europeans in Dubai is higher than the percentage of Pakistanis in London, so the basic point stands.

If Belivonia is opposed to what immigration from Islamic countries is allegedly doing to London, then he's presumably equally opposed to what European immigration is doing to places like Dubai; unless he thinks the principle only applies in one direction.

Fair enough I suppose. Although I wouldn't place any bets on Belivonia thinking that way.

[The Archregimancy]

I wouldn't dispute for a second that South Asians labourers are often treated very badly in the UAE, but there's a substantial community of middle class and wealthy South Asians - who outnumber both white European immigrants and Emiratis. They have their own supermarkets, their own restaurants, their own places of worship (including at least one prominent Hindu temple), and I can assure you that there are large parts of Dubai - especially Old Dubai - that are considerably more like, say, Islamabad or Mumbai, than London is.

So it's not just about Europeans, and it's a vast oversimplification to think that 'immigrants from poorer countries' in the UAE are all poor Indians and Nepalis who are being forced to work on dangerous construction sites and/or being sexually abused.

And regardless of the above, the percentage of Europeans in Dubai is higher than the percentage of Pakistanis in London, so the basic point stands.

If Belivonia is opposed to what immigration from Islamic countries is allegedly doing to London, then he's presumably equally opposed to what European immigration is doing to places like Dubai; unless he thinks the principle only applies in one direction.

Fair enough I suppose. Although I wouldn't place any bets on Belivonia thinking that way.

Nor would I.

[The Matthew Islands]

Then don't call it a proposal. I would call that misleading language.

I'd consider it a proposal. He proposed one idea of many. It is not a Jeremy Corbyn policy, but it is a Jeremy Corbyn proposal.

Well not really. IIRC he basically said "Something needs to be done about sexual assault on trains. Somebody suggested women only carriages, which is something that I would first offer to women to discuss whether it is a valid idea and take the feedback on board ( )

[The Nihilistic view]

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... emy-corbyn

"Women have problems. One thing we could do to address these problems is this. I will talk to women to see what their ideas are."

At no point has "women-only carriages" become "a proposal".

To propose : put forward (a plan or suggestion) for consideration by others.

In what way has saying he will consider it not him proposing this as a possible solution is his eyes?

[The Nihilistic view]

I don't really have an opinion of it other than it would not work on most local services due to there not really being enough carriages for it to work.

[The Nihilistic view]

And the beer is hit or miss in a lot of pubs these days. I stuck to buying good German or Czech ones even though they're pricier.

Beer, or at least everything that isn't fosters, Carling etc. is always a hit and miss. Best way is to find a beer you like, then see what pubs the brewery owns.

Carling and Fosters aren't beer anyway, basically piss with additives.

[The Matthew Islands]

Beer, or at least everything that isn't fosters, Carling etc. is always a hit and miss. Best way is to find a beer you like, then see what pubs the brewery owns.

Carling and Fosters aren't beer anyway, basically piss with additives.

Fun anecdote.

Some friends and I were once discussing that its better to drink things like real ale because you can go all round the country and taste different ales that you can't get anywhere else because its like a local speciality.

One of our friends then declared: "Its best to drink lagers because no matter where I go I will always get the same pint of chemical fizzy piss.*"

Is that not the most depressing thing ever?

*I may or may not have embellished the quote.

[Napkiraly]

Beer, or at least everything that isn't fosters, Carling etc. is always a hit and miss. Best way is to find a beer you like, then see what pubs the brewery owns.

Carling and Fosters aren't beer anyway, basically piss with additives.

Which makes one wonder which is worse, American Budweiser or Fosters. Water masquerading as alcohol or piss with additives.

[L Ron Cupboard]

Carling and Fosters aren't beer anyway, basically piss with additives.

Fun anecdote.

Some friends and I were once discussing that its better to drink things like real ale because you can go all round the country and taste different ales that you can't get anywhere else because its like a local speciality.

One of our friends then declared: "Its best to drink lagers because no matter where I go I will always get the same pint of chemical fizzy piss.*"

Is that not the most depressing thing ever?

*I may or may not have embellished the quote.

It might have been worse, they could have said cider.

[Napkiraly]

Fun anecdote.

Some friends and I were once discussing that its better to drink things like real ale because you can go all round the country and taste different ales that you can't get anywhere else because its like a local speciality.

One of our friends then declared: "Its best to drink lagers because no matter where I go I will always get the same pint of chemical fizzy piss.*"

Is that not the most depressing thing ever?

*I may or may not have embellished the quote.

It might have been worse, they could have said cider.

Cider's alright, especially the Scandinavian ones.

[The Matthew Islands]

Carling and Fosters aren't beer anyway, basically piss with additives.

Which makes one wonder which is worse, American Budweiser or Fosters. Water masquerading as alcohol or piss with additives.

Fosters is worse because it tries to play up its links with Australia even though IIRC most Australians don't actually like it. Budweiser is just completely meh.

[The Nihilistic view]

Carling and Fosters aren't beer anyway, basically piss with additives.

Fun anecdote.

Some friends and I were once discussing that its better to drink things like real ale because you can go all round the country and taste different ales that you can't get anywhere else because its like a local speciality.

One of our friends then declared: "Its best to drink lagers because no matter where I go I will always get the same pint of chemical fizzy piss.*"

Is that not the most depressing thing ever?

*I may or may not have embellished the quote.

Hahaha, I don't know why it is but Anglo larger is total rubbish. Europeans do it well on the continent so I think we should just give up and stick to making Ale.

[L Ron Cupboard]

It might have been worse, they could have said cider.

Cider's alright, especially the Scandinavian ones.

Do they even grow cider apples in Scandinavia?

[The Matthew Islands]

Fun anecdote.

Some friends and I were once discussing that its better to drink things like real ale because you can go all round the country and taste different ales that you can't get anywhere else because its like a local speciality.

One of our friends then declared: "Its best to drink lagers because no matter where I go I will always get the same pint of chemical fizzy piss.*"

Is that not the most depressing thing ever?

*I may or may not have embellished the quote.

Hahaha, I don't know why it is but Anglo larger is total rubbish. Europeans do it well on the continent so I think we should just give up and stick to making Ale.

My dad tried to explain it that apparently its to do with how its taxed in the UK.

His reasoning was along the lines of when Lager is brewed its supposed to be left to ferment or something for a while. However in the UK, they apply the taxes to it as soon as it is brewed or something so they have to ship out as soon as possible, so they turned to chemicals to get it ready quickly enough.

It's probably bollocks, but I haven't heard no different.

[The Nihilistic view]

It might have been worse, they could have said cider.

Cider's alright, especially the Scandinavian ones.

Depends, most of the mass produced stuff is little better than Carling. It really is just larger style cider. But there are what might be called "Real Ciders" which is the original stuff which is not carbonated more appley (far more apple juice and not concentrate) and does not use any additives other than occasionally sugar in years when the natural sugars in the apples are too low. That stuff is nice, basically traditional cider.

[The Archregimancy]

Can I gently steer this away from turning into the CAMRA thread?

Back to UK politics, please.

[The Matthew Islands]

Can I gently steer this away from turning into the CAMRA thread?

Back to UK politics, please.

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I bet you drink black label...

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... er-kendall

Translation:

We can't attack anything else corbyn says cos it makes sense so we will mis-represent what he says and then all jump on it.

[Sam Hyde]

My great-great uncle once knew a guy who visited Ireland. Therefore, I'm actually 100% Irish and more Irish than the Irish themselves and I hate Britain and I have informed opinions on the Northern Ireland conflict.

[The Huskar Social Union]

My great-great uncle once knew a guy who visited Ireland. Therefore, I'm actually 100% Irish and more Irish than the Irish themselves and I hate Britain and I have informed opinions on the Northern Ireland conflict.

Sadly accurate for alot of people on this forum and others.

[Angleter]

I'd consider it a proposal. He proposed one idea of many. It is not a Jeremy Corbyn policy, but it is a Jeremy Corbyn proposal.

Well not really. IIRC he basically said "Something needs to be done about sexual assault on trains. Somebody suggested women only carriages, which is something that I would first offer to women to discuss whether it is a valid idea and take the feedback on board ( )

Does this mean we all accept now that replacing the NHS with an insurance-based system isn't UKIP policy, officially or unofficially?

[Imperializt Russia]

"Women have problems. One thing we could do to address these problems is this. I will talk to women to see what their ideas are."

At no point has "women-only carriages" become "a proposal".

To propose : put forward (a plan or suggestion) for consideration by others.

In what way has saying he will consider it not him proposing this as a possible solution is his eyes?

He proposed an idea.
However, "proposal" is a word of rather charged meaning. He has not made "a proposal" which is what Atlan said.

[Imperializt Russia]

Well not really. IIRC he basically said "Something needs to be done about sexual assault on trains. Somebody suggested women only carriages, which is something that I would first offer to women to discuss whether it is a valid idea and take the feedback on board ( )

Does this mean we all accept now that replacing the NHS with an insurance-based system isn't UKIP policy, officially or unofficially?

Corbyn isn't Labour leader yet. He also hasn't made comments of "I would rather see women-only carriages".
It's a fair criticism of how that event played out with Farage, but not strictly comparable.

[CoraSpia]

Well not really. IIRC he basically said "Something needs to be done about sexual assault on trains. Somebody suggested women only carriages, which is something that I would first offer to women to discuss whether it is a valid idea and take the feedback on board ( )

Does this mean we all accept now that replacing the NHS with an insurance-based system isn't UKIP policy, officially or unofficially?

No it isn't.

Nigel said that if we could afford private healthcare, we should get it since it takes some strain off the NHS.

[Alyakia]

so apparently the PIRA still exists lol

e: admittedly lol might not be the most suitable expression