2015 UK Politics Megathread

[Monkeykind]

Young people seem to be very nationalist.

Only kid I know that supports UKIP has said many distasteful things to say the least.

I know many young people that support UKIP.

Young people seem to be very nationalist.

I don't trust anyone under 40.....

But old people may vote UKIP too...

[Val Halla]

Only kid I know that supports UKIP has said many distasteful things to say the least.

I know many young people that support UKIP.

I don't trust anyone under 40.....

But old people may vote UKIP too...

I don't know many young people. *shrugs*

[Alyakia]

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lol no :-)

i have the awkwardest set up right now (and i just realized that i had failed to account for NS in it)

[Angleter]

I know it's silly, but the one concern I have remaining about STV (and specifically STV - I'd oppose any system that would involve party lists) is that it'd in all likelihood ruin election night. But oh, well.

I have a surprising amount of sympathy for you there. I do really enjoy staying up on election night, regardless of the result (1992 was a particular low point, not just because Major unexpectedly won, but because my then-fiancee broke up with me the same day).

But my experience of living in Australia through two Australian elections suggests that the experience under systems involving fiendishly complicated electoral systems is still exciting - just different and a lot more drawn out.

Just so long as we don't import the invidious Australian senate election practice of allowing people to vote either above or below the line.

Perhaps they could delay the counting so that the results come in over the course of Friday night instead.

[Monkeykind]

I have a surprising amount of sympathy for you there. I do really enjoy staying up on election night, regardless of the result (1992 was a particular low point, not just because Major unexpectedly won, but because my then-fiancee broke up with me the same day).

But my experience of living in Australia through two Australian elections suggests that the experience under systems involving fiendishly complicated electoral systems is still exciting - just different and a lot more drawn out.

Just so long as we don't import the invidious Australian senate election practice of allowing people to vote either above or below the line.

Perhaps they could delay the counting so that the results come in over the course of Friday night instead.

I want this to happen so I can stay up all night.
I don't want this to happen because I want results nao.

[Die Volkstaat]

The nationalist True Finns party in Finland gets most of it's votes from former Social Democrat voters and young people. Nationalism in the youth seems to be growing in Europe.

This comes as no surprise to me. The younger generation is generally vehemently pro gay, pro liberalism, and pro secularism. When they see very conservative, very religious immigrants coming over, it strikes fear into them. Furthermore, the young generation is staunchly opposed to austerity. All of these factors cause many young people to cast their vote for parties like the Front National, Swedish Democrats, UKIP even.

[The Archregimancy]

I don't trust anyone under 40.....

But old people may vote UKIP too...

Define 'old'....

And remember this is a mod you're potentially offending.

[MERIZoC]

But old people may vote UKIP too...

Define 'old'....

And remember this is a mod you're potentially offending.

Over the age of 25.
*nods*

[Angleter]

The nationalist True Finns party in Finland gets most of it's votes from former Social Democrat voters and young people. Nationalism in the youth seems to be growing in Europe.

This comes as no surprise to me. The younger generation is generally vehemently pro gay, pro liberalism, and pro secularism. When they see very conservative, very religious immigrants coming over, it strikes fear into them. Furthermore, the young generation is staunchly opposed to austerity. All of these factors cause many young people to cast their vote for parties like the Front National, Swedish Democrats, UKIP even.

UKIP, I think, buck the trend. Unlike the FN or Sweden Democrats or, most notably, the Freedom Party of Austria, UKIP are stunningly unpopular among young voters. I think there are two main reasons for this - the first is that British young voters grew up, by and large, during the Blair years, and therefore are much more wary than their Continental counterparts of opposition towards the EU, mass immigration, and multiculturalism; and the second is that UKIP don't quite fit the mould of their Continental counterparts, who are centrist or left-of centre economically, while UKIP remain an economically right-wing party (like the Reform Party in 1990s Canada).

[Die Volkstaat]

This comes as no surprise to me. The younger generation is generally vehemently pro gay, pro liberalism, and pro secularism. When they see very conservative, very religious immigrants coming over, it strikes fear into them. Furthermore, the young generation is staunchly opposed to austerity. All of these factors cause many young people to cast their vote for parties like the Front National, Swedish Democrats, UKIP even.

UKIP, I think, buck the trend. Unlike the FN or Sweden Democrats or, most notably, the Freedom Party of Austria, UKIP are stunningly unpopular among young voters. I think there are two main reasons for this - the first is that British young voters grew up, by and large, during the Blair years, and therefore are much more wary than their Continental counterparts of opposition towards the EU, mass immigration, and multiculturalism; and the second is that UKIP don't quite fit the mould of their Continental counterparts, who are centrist or left-of centre economically, while UKIP remain an economically right-wing party (like the Reform Party in 1990s Canada).

Perhaps. Though, it seems that so many youngsters, teens in particular, are supportive of UKIP online.

Did you vote UKIP? I know you were on the fence on this issue, torn between the Tories and UKIP.

[Monkeykind]

But old people may vote UKIP too...

Define 'old'....

And remember this is a mod you're potentially offending.

Over 60.

Hey, at least you're not 70.

[Hydesland]

Perhaps. Though, it seems that so many youngsters, teens in particular, are supportive of UKIP online.

I'm not sure where you're getting this surging teen support idea from. As far as I know, UKIP gets most of its support from disaffected elderly Tories, apolitical working class nationalist types who buy into Farage's populist rhetoric, and then some youthful middle class right wingers.

[Angleter]

UKIP, I think, buck the trend. Unlike the FN or Sweden Democrats or, most notably, the Freedom Party of Austria, UKIP are stunningly unpopular among young voters. I think there are two main reasons for this - the first is that British young voters grew up, by and large, during the Blair years, and therefore are much more wary than their Continental counterparts of opposition towards the EU, mass immigration, and multiculturalism; and the second is that UKIP don't quite fit the mould of their Continental counterparts, who are centrist or left-of centre economically, while UKIP remain an economically right-wing party (like the Reform Party in 1990s Canada).

Perhaps. Though, it seems that so many youngsters, teens in particular, are supportive of UKIP online.

Did you vote UKIP? I know you were on the fence on this issue, torn between the Tories and UKIP.

I voted Tory. In terms of which party I actually support the most, I'm still torn, but the fact that my constituency is a LibDem-Tory marginal made up my mind for me.

[Eastfield Lodge]

Perhaps. Though, it seems that so many youngsters, teens in particular, are supportive of UKIP online.

I'm not sure where you're getting this surging teen support idea from. As far as I know, UKIP gets most of its support from disaffected elderly Tories, apolitical working class nationalist types who buy into Farage's populist rhetoric, and then some youthful middle class right wingers.

I'm guessing the reason UKIP are so high on this thread is down to the sizeable number of users who don't like the EU for whatever reason.

[Alyakia]

Perhaps. Though, it seems that so many youngsters, teens in particular, are supportive of UKIP online.

Did you vote UKIP? I know you were on the fence on this issue, torn between the Tories and UKIP.

I voted Tory. In terms of which party I actually support the most, I'm still torn, but the fact that my constituency is a LibDem-Tory marginal made up my mind for me.

there is literally no justifiable reason for you to vote UKIP. you're better than that. hope this helps.

e: if you vote to leave the EU do you get kicked from your region

[Arglorand]

x/post from r/scotland:

http://i.imgur.com/UKkuBID.png

[Monkeykind]

I voted Tory. In terms of which party I actually support the most, I'm still torn, but the fact that my constituency is a LibDem-Tory marginal made up my mind for me.

there is literally no justifiable reason for you to vote UKIP. you're better than that. hope this helps.

e: if you vote to leave the EU do you get kicked from your region

Immigration.

No, you move your nation to new region, "North Pacific"

[Eastfield Lodge]

x/post from r/scotland:

http://i.imgur.com/UKkuBID.png

"Nicola Sturgeon is ma waifu"
Not sure whether to laugh insanely or to be seriously creeped out.

[Eastfield Lodge]

[The Archregimancy]

Perhaps. Though, it seems that so many youngsters, teens in particular, are supportive of UKIP online.

I'm not sure where you're getting this surging teen support idea from. As far as I know, UKIP gets most of its support from disaffected elderly Tories, apolitical working class nationalist types who buy into Farage's populist rhetoric, and then some youthful middle class right wingers.

It's true that UKIP's support is much stronger among over 60s, but they pull at least some support from young self-described libertarians who are - bizarrely - convinced that UKIP are a rough British analogy to Ron Paul's supposed libertarianism.

As with Paul's supporters, they tend to be fairly internet savvy, so are often disproportionately visible in internet forums.

The disconnect between the youth wing's libertarianism and the actual policies of the party has caused some interesting tensions.

[Teemant]

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If I wouldn't know that it was UK I may have thought that this must be somewhere in Africa.

[Alyakia]

the sound people that read "non-racist libertarian party" and took it seriously discovering why other parties don't need to reassure everyone about how non-racist and libertarian they are

[Teemant]

This comes as no surprise to me. The younger generation is generally vehemently pro gay, pro liberalism, and pro secularism. When they see very conservative, very religious immigrants coming over, it strikes fear into them. Furthermore, the young generation is staunchly opposed to austerity. All of these factors cause many young people to cast their vote for parties like the Front National, Swedish Democrats, UKIP even.

UKIP, I think, buck the trend. Unlike the FN or Sweden Democrats or, most notably, the Freedom Party of Austria, UKIP are stunningly unpopular among young voters. I think there are two main reasons for this - the first is that British young voters grew up, by and large, during the Blair years, and therefore are much more wary than their Continental counterparts of opposition towards the EU, mass immigration, and multiculturalism; and the second is that UKIP don't quite fit the mould of their Continental counterparts, who are centrist or left-of centre economically, while UKIP remain an economically right-wing party (like the Reform Party in 1990s Canada).

Increasing number of UK youth are foreigners so I don't think this will help UKIP with popularity either.

[Arglorand]

I'm not sure where you're getting this surging teen support idea from. As far as I know, UKIP gets most of its support from disaffected elderly Tories, apolitical working class nationalist types who buy into Farage's populist rhetoric, and then some youthful middle class right wingers.

It's true that UKIP's support is much stronger among over 60s, but they pull at least some support from young self-described libertarians who are - bizarrely - convinced that UKIP are a rough British analogy to Ron Paul's supposed libertarianism.

As with Paul's supporters, they tend to be fairly internet savvy, so are often disproportionately visible in internet forums.

The disconnect between the youth wing's libertarianism and the actual policies of the party has caused some interesting tensions.

Fitting, considering that Ron Paul, too, hid a certain degree of racism under his libertarian ideology.

[Die Volkstaat]

Perhaps. Though, it seems that so many youngsters, teens in particular, are supportive of UKIP online.

I'm not sure where you're getting this surging teen support idea from. As far as I know, UKIP gets most of its support from disaffected elderly Tories, apolitical working class nationalist types who buy into Farage's populist rhetoric, and then some youthful middle class right wingers.

I'm not acting as if all teens are flocking to UKIP, I'm just pointing out some trends I've noticed. You're correct to say that the following groups are favorable towards UKIP.

-Disullusioned working class nationalists in the Midlands and Essex.
-Wealthy former Tories near Kent.