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The Samaritan Passover among many other things

Postby Benuty » Mon May 04, 2015 12:25 pm

Samaritans hold annual Passover sacrifice ceremony on Mt. Gerizim

Abrahamic religious group holds 3,600-year-old annual ceremony, sacrificing 50 sheep - one for every family in the 800 member community.

Itay Blumental

Hundreds of members of the Samaritan community and many guests - both Israelis and Palestinians - gathered on Mount Gerizim near Nablus on Saturday night for their annual Passover sacrifice.


Those in attendance, dressed in traditional white capes and red head coverings, listened to the Samaritan High Priest reading the commandment given to the Israelites to offer the sacrifices, after which 50 sheep were sacrificed - one for each family. On Sunday, after the sacrifice ceremony, the Samaritans hold a Sabbatical day.
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The ethnoreligious group got its name when its members were exiled to the Samaria area in the final days of the First Temple by the Assyrian king Sennacherib. According to Samaritan tradition, the sacrifice ceremony has been performed for the past 3,600 years.
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The sheep who are slaughtered are skinned after being sacrificed, with portions forbidden for consumption. They are then burned on the altar fire. Later, the sheep are skewered and cooked in ovens in the ground. When the meat is roasted, each family gathers in their own home to perform the mitzvah of eating the Passover sacrifice.
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The Samaritans comprise some 800 members. Half of them live on Mount Gerizim and the other half in Holon, on the outskirts of Tel Aviv.

The Samaritans follow Samaritanism, an Abrahamic religion with close links to Judaism. They adhere only to what is written in the Bible, and consider their worship the true religion of the ancient Israelites.
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The head of the Samaria Regional Council, Gershon Mesika, attended the ceremony.

"We can to show our respect to the Samaritan group, which constitutes a part of the State of Israel," he said. "Over the years we've had full cooperation between the Samaritans and the regional council - on normal days, days of celebration and days of mourning."


Source: http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340 ... 40,00.html

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For something a little different I thought I would cover this. As you can imagine such a small group (which used to be in the millions) wouldn't render as much attention except the occasional glance. First I will address the concerns of the comments simply waving of the festivity as a sign of superstition is a sign you clearly don't get why its done at all. As for the source, well like I said not many people give a damn about the ritual at all. Unlike say the Passover of Judaism which would obviously have far more coverage. It is always interesting to talk to the Samaritan High Priest explain the origin story of Israel, their people, and the religion in general. On a note I would like to correct the article since Samaritans adhere to the Samaritan Torah not the Bible at all. Unlike the Jews with the Tanach they only consider the first five books valid, and everything else erroneous from the Jews time in exile. So what say you oh unleavened, and leavened masses of NSG?


1) Is animal sacrifice inhumane, or immoral?

2) Is animal sacrifice (in any religion that employs it obviously) unnecessary in this time, and day?

3) Last, but not least I suppose the other branches of the Abrahamic religions (contrary to popular belief there are more than three) could be talked about here as well.
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Postby Lyrian Oligarchic Royal Empire » Mon May 04, 2015 12:28 pm

Are the animals eaten, or are they just left to rot?

If they're eaten, then it's no different than any other consumption of meat.

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Postby New Werpland » Mon May 04, 2015 12:29 pm

Animals have no rights, so yeah it's fine.

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Postby Thermodolia » Mon May 04, 2015 12:30 pm

Lyrian Oligarchic Royal Empire wrote:Are the animals eaten, or are they just left to rot?

If they're eaten, then it's no different than any other consumption of meat.

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Postby Benuty » Mon May 04, 2015 12:30 pm

Lyrian Oligarchic Royal Empire wrote:Are the animals eaten, or are they just left to rot?

If they're eaten, then it's no different than any other consumption of meat.

If I recall they are indeed eaten unlike rituals in other (certain) religions.
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Postby Lyrian Oligarchic Royal Empire » Mon May 04, 2015 12:32 pm

Benuty wrote:
Lyrian Oligarchic Royal Empire wrote:Are the animals eaten, or are they just left to rot?

If they're eaten, then it's no different than any other consumption of meat.

If I recall they are indeed eaten unlike rituals in other religions.

That makes this case a lot better then. Because the usage of the goods produced from the sacrifices means that the sacrifice wasn't "pointless".

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Postby Benuty » Mon May 04, 2015 12:32 pm

New Werpland wrote:Animals have no rights, so yeah it's fine.

Depends on the country to be honest, considering a New York Judge granted a pair of research Chimpanzees the writ of Habeas Corpus.
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Postby New Werpland » Mon May 04, 2015 12:35 pm

Benuty wrote:
New Werpland wrote:Animals have no rights, so yeah it's fine.

Depends on the country to be honest, considering a New York Judge granted a pair of research Chimpanzees the writ of Habeas Corpus.

I meant more along the lines of, there ain't a reason to value animal life beyond not doing horrible things to them because that's disgusting, so yes it's okay to sacrifice sheep.

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Postby Ethel mermania » Mon May 04, 2015 12:38 pm

Benuty wrote:
New Werpland wrote:Animals have no rights, so yeah it's fine.

Depends on the country to be honest, considering a New York Judge granted a pair of research Chimpanzees the writ of Habeas Corpus.

that was what the attny's for the animal shelter claimed. The judge thought otherwise

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Postby Benuty » Mon May 04, 2015 12:40 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Benuty wrote:Depends on the country to be honest, considering a New York Judge granted a pair of research Chimpanzees the writ of Habeas Corpus.

that was what the attny's for the animal shelter claimed. The judge thought otherwise

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/201 ... for-chimps

Well that is rather saddening.
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Postby Annihilators of Chan Island » Mon May 04, 2015 1:12 pm

Only 800? And to think the Old Testament describes wars against these guys (if memory serves, mind). Well, I say more power to them! Nothing wrong with keeping an ancient tradition going.
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Postby Lleu llaw Gyffes » Mon May 04, 2015 3:36 pm

1) Is animal sacrifice inhumane, or immoral?

2) Is animal sacrifice (in any religion that employs it obviously) unnecessary in this time, and day?

3) Last, but not least I suppose the other branches of the Abrahamic religions (contrary to popular belief there are more than three) could be talked about here as well.


Eating food is righteous. The animal must be killed painlessly.
The animal must NOT be of an endangered species. Freedom of Worship is a Civil Right. Yay Samaritans, go for it :clap:

At least they eat animals. We Christians are cannibals, we eat the Flesh and Blood of Jesus.

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Postby Benuty » Mon May 04, 2015 4:25 pm

United Russian Soviet States wrote:These people should recognize Jesus as the Messiah.

Seriously?

If anybody comes close to their prophetic restorer it is Moses. They don't view the concept of a messiah as legitimate. They certainly won't recognize a person of another religion over their High Priest.
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Benuty wrote:
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Seriously?

If anybody comes close to their prophetic restorer it is Moses. They don't view the concept of a messiah as legitimate. They certainly won't recognize a person of another religion over their High Priest.

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Postby MERIZoC » Mon May 04, 2015 4:28 pm

Annihilators of Chan Island wrote:Only 800? And to think the Old Testament describes wars against these guys (if memory serves, mind). Well, I say more power to them! Nothing wrong with keeping an ancient tradition going.

Yeah, most are on the mountain outside Nablus, I believe there are a few others scattered around the two countries.

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United Russian Soviet States wrote:
Benuty wrote:Seriously?

If anybody comes close to their prophetic restorer it is Moses. They don't view the concept of a messiah as legitimate. They certainly won't recognize a person of another religion over their High Priest.

I am serious.

And so are the Samaritans.
Anyway...
1) Is animal sacrifice inhumane, or immoral?

2) Is animal sacrifice (in any religion that employs it obviously) unnecessary in this time, and day?

3) Last, but not least I suppose the other branches of the Abrahamic religions (contrary to popular belief there are more than three) could be talked about here as well.

1. Not neccessarily. I don't have a moral system which cares too much about that, as long as it isn't wiping all the animals out in one stroke.
2. For the religion in question, it varies. If it requires sacrifice, then within that context it's neccessary. But to keep the universe running about? Frankly, no.
3. I only knew of Mandaeans and Baha'i before this (along with the big three obviously...). Is Mandaeism still a thing or is it gone?
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Postby Benuty » Mon May 04, 2015 4:30 pm

United Russian Soviet States wrote:
Benuty wrote:Seriously?

If anybody comes close to their prophetic restorer it is Moses. They don't view the concept of a messiah as legitimate. They certainly won't recognize a person of another religion over their High Priest.

I am serious.

Considering they have had spats with the Jews since the days of the Babylonian exile why would they recognize the messiah of what is essentially a schism from Judaism?
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Postby United Russian Soviet States » Mon May 04, 2015 4:31 pm

Benuty wrote:
United Russian Soviet States wrote:I am serious.

Considering they have had spats with the Jews since the days of the Babylonian exile why would they recognize the messiah of what is essentially a schism from Judaism?

I do not know much about them.
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Postby Benuty » Mon May 04, 2015 4:33 pm

The United Colonies of Earth wrote:
United Russian Soviet States wrote:I am serious.

And so are the Samaritans.
Anyway...
1) Is animal sacrifice inhumane, or immoral?

2) Is animal sacrifice (in any religion that employs it obviously) unnecessary in this time, and day?

3) Last, but not least I suppose the other branches of the Abrahamic religions (contrary to popular belief there are more than three) could be talked about here as well.

1. Not neccessarily. I don't have a moral system which cares too much about that, as long as it isn't wiping all the animals out in one stroke.
2. For the religion in question, it varies. If it requires sacrifice, then within that context it's neccessary. But to keep the universe running about? Frankly, no.
3. I only knew of Mandaeans and Baha'i before this (along with the big three obviously...). Is Mandaeism still a thing or is it gone?

Amazingly they persist of-course the whole Jesus, Abraham, and Moses being false prophets has not made them popular.
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Postby MERIZoC » Mon May 04, 2015 4:35 pm

The United Colonies of Earth wrote:
United Russian Soviet States wrote:I am serious.

And so are the Samaritans.
Anyway...
1) Is animal sacrifice inhumane, or immoral?

2) Is animal sacrifice (in any religion that employs it obviously) unnecessary in this time, and day?

3) Last, but not least I suppose the other branches of the Abrahamic religions (contrary to popular belief there are more than three) could be talked about here as well.

1. Not neccessarily. I don't have a moral system which cares too much about that, as long as it isn't wiping all the animals out in one stroke.
2. For the religion in question, it varies. If it requires sacrifice, then within that context it's neccessary. But to keep the universe running about? Frankly, no.
3. I only knew of Mandaeans and Baha'i before this (along with the big three obviously...). Is Mandaeism still a thing or is it gone?

Yeah, Mandaeism's still a thing. As well as Druze and Rastafari.

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Postby Benuty » Mon May 04, 2015 4:38 pm

United Russian Soviet States wrote:
Benuty wrote:Considering they have had spats with the Jews since the days of the Babylonian exile why would they recognize the messiah of what is essentially a schism from Judaism?

I do not know much about them.

If millions of them hadn't gone, and got themselves dwindled to the point of extinction you most certainly would. The parable did an interesting job of portraying the hostility between the religions of Samaria, and Judah.
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Postby Lleu llaw Gyffes » Mon May 04, 2015 5:19 pm

2. For the religion in question, it varies. If it requires sacrifice, then within that context it's neccessary. But to keep the universe running about? Frankly, no.


I doubt that. Aztecs believed, that you need to sacrifice thousands of people or the Sun will not rise.

Since Samaritans believe Torah, I guess they believe if they break the Passover Covenant, then God will send them back to Egypt.


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