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The Alma Mater
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Postby The Alma Mater » Wed May 06, 2015 1:44 pm

Gauthier wrote:
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
I don't know how I would have described them previous to the attack.

Islam is not the only religion that calls for violence against enemies, nor is it the only one where people will commit said violence.

The "skimpy clothes" bit has been debated to death by now.


The skimpy clothes comparison is disingenuous, given that the most accurate approximation to the contest organizers would be a woman wearing provocative clothing who also cockteases every man in her vicinity and laughs after leading them on and then slamming the proverbial door in the face. Not minding her own business.


You neglect to mention that she only started to do that after some men eerily similar to the ones in her vicinity told her repeatedly she should wear a trashbag 24/7, was good for nothing except being a breeder and deserved to get slapped on a daily basis. Then the analogy fits.
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Postby Gauthier » Wed May 06, 2015 1:45 pm

United Prefectures of Appia wrote:
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As would those who bomb abortion clinics and murder abortion doctors.

And Livix.


Livix will be hailed as a Terrorist Fighting Hero.
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Postby Gauthier » Wed May 06, 2015 1:49 pm

The Alma Mater wrote:
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The skimpy clothes comparison is disingenuous, given that the most accurate approximation to the contest organizers would be a woman wearing provocative clothing who also cockteases every man in her vicinity and laughs after leading them on and then slamming the proverbial door in the face. Not minding her own business.


You neglect to mention that she only started to do that after some men eerily similar to the ones in her vicinity told her repeatedly she should wear a trashbag 24/7, was good for nothing except being a breeder and deserved to get slapped on a daily basis. Then the analogy fits.


So how exactly did All Muslims belittle and dehumanize SIOA again? Since you're keen on insisting all Muslims demand women remain baby factories in trashbags.
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Postby Lleu llaw Gyffes » Wed May 06, 2015 3:31 pm

Gauthier wrote:
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You neglect to mention that she only started to do that after some men eerily similar to the ones in her vicinity told her repeatedly she should wear a trashbag 24/7, was good for nothing except being a breeder and deserved to get slapped on a daily basis. Then the analogy fits.


So how exactly did All Muslims belittle and dehumanize SIOA again? Since you're keen on insisting all Muslims demand women remain baby factories in trashbags.

Wrong. All fundamentalist Muslims demand women remain baby factories in trashbags. Whereas many Muslims are worthwhile human beings.

Likewise, all fundamentalist Christians do terrorist attacks on abortion clinics. Whereas many Christians are worthwhile human beings.

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Postby Dyakovo » Wed May 06, 2015 3:50 pm

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Dyakovo wrote:Not really. It's acknowledging that there are fuckwads out there who will react violently to having their religion mocked.


People here are more concerned about 'why did they organise such an event, knowing that this will happen'

than the intolerance and unjustified violence itself.

as i said, it does not matter that the organiser is a vile person with vile bigoted views. violence is not a justified response.

i can say that muslims proclaiming loudly during in their azaan (prayer call) that there is no god but allah - is a very vile offensive thing to say and provocative.

i don't want to kill them for it, regardless of what my religion tells me.

Oh, I agree that violence is not an appropriate response, I just disagree that pointing out that the event organizers are rl trolls means that you agree with attempting to kill them.
Its possible for both the attackers and the attacked to be despicable.
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Postby Jamzmania » Wed May 06, 2015 3:55 pm

Dyakovo wrote:
Aryavartha wrote:
People here are more concerned about 'why did they organise such an event, knowing that this will happen'

than the intolerance and unjustified violence itself.

as i said, it does not matter that the organiser is a vile person with vile bigoted views. violence is not a justified response.

i can say that muslims proclaiming loudly during in their azaan (prayer call) that there is no god but allah - is a very vile offensive thing to say and provocative.

i don't want to kill them for it, regardless of what my religion tells me.

Oh, I agree that violence is not an appropriate response, I just disagree that pointing out that the event organizers are rl trolls means that you agree with attempting to kill them.
Its possible for both the attackers and the attacked to be despicable.

But you appear to be implying that they are on a comparable level of "being despicable."
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Postby The Nocter Empire » Wed May 06, 2015 4:00 pm

I'm for a world where you can parody whomever you like without fearing death...

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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Wed May 06, 2015 4:02 pm

Jamzmania wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:Oh, I agree that violence is not an appropriate response, I just disagree that pointing out that the event organizers are rl trolls means that you agree with attempting to kill them.
Its possible for both the attackers and the attacked to be despicable.

But you appear to be implying that they are on a comparable level of "being despicable."


You're inferring that. He's stated no moral equivalence. One could just as easily state that those defending the contest are saying that Geller should be immune from criticism due to the attack. That would also be false.

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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Wed May 06, 2015 4:04 pm

The Nocter Empire wrote:I'm for a world where you can parody whomever you like without fearing death...


Reminds me of a Paul Mooney response to a heckler. He was doing some of his racially charged material, and someone in the audience shouted something incomprehensible. Mooney asked him to repeat it.

"We're all equal in God's eyes!"

"You said we're all equal in God's eyes?"

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Postby Dyakovo » Wed May 06, 2015 4:16 pm

Jamzmania wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:Oh, I agree that violence is not an appropriate response, I just disagree that pointing out that the event organizers are rl trolls means that you agree with attempting to kill them.
Its possible for both the attackers and the attacked to be despicable.

But you appear to be implying that they are on a comparable level of "being despicable."

No, not at all. Attacking and trying to kill someone for being a troll is definitely far worse.
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Wed May 06, 2015 6:03 pm

So am I the only person who thinks that the winning entry made the Prophet look like one of the Thundercats?

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Postby Neutraligon » Thu May 07, 2015 2:51 am

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:So am I the only person who thinks that the winning entry made the Prophet look like one of the Thundercats?


Mind linking if that is allowed?
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Postby Herskerstad » Thu May 07, 2015 10:28 am

Lleu llaw Gyffes wrote:
Gauthier wrote:
So how exactly did All Muslims belittle and dehumanize SIOA again? Since you're keen on insisting all Muslims demand women remain baby factories in trashbags.

Wrong. All fundamentalist Muslims demand women remain baby factories in trashbags. Whereas many Muslims are worthwhile human beings.

Likewise, all fundamentalist Christians do terrorist attacks on abortion clinics. Whereas many Christians are worthwhile human beings.


The latter has a grand total of 8 fatalities in the US in modern history. Which is not even a good kill count for your average Islamic fundamentalist terrorist which you seem to have omitted in this rather odd comparison.

Adding on top of that the literal meaning of fundamentalism is getting back to the roots, so I guess we should fear Christan fundamentalists dine with sinners, spread the gospel, be charitable, ect, ect. There exist neither a precedence nor a historical outline for bombing abortion clinics that would be fitting to have such in a category, only conjuration.
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Postby Insaeldor » Thu May 07, 2015 10:48 am

A part of me wants to go "they should have expected such, being so purposefully and blatantly antagonistic and seeing the results of such in the past is irresponsible." On the other hand the other part wants to go "fuck the shooters free speech is the top priority in this case".

I agree with both essentially but given my preditermaned bias against some the organizers I'm leaning more towards the then being purposefully ataganistic and should have been more responsible side of my feelings. I'm sure however if this event didn't have the connections to some of the people it does is been more on the seconds half of my opinion.

Anyways while I find holding a public competition to basicly insult a whole religion a bit uncouth they have every right to do so and should not have to fear coming under attack or should have come under attack. And thankfully the two gunmen no longer walk this earth.
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Postby Lleu llaw Gyffes » Thu May 07, 2015 12:07 pm

Insaeldor wrote:A part of me wants to go "they should have expected such, being so purposefully and blatantly antagonistic and seeing the results of such in the past is irresponsible." On the other hand the other part wants to go "fuck the shooters free speech is the top priority in this case".

I agree with both essentially but given my preditermaned bias against some the organizers I'm leaning more towards the then being purposefully ataganistic and should have been more responsible side of my feelings. I'm sure however if this event didn't have the connections to some of the people it does is been more on the seconds half of my opinion.

Anyways while I find holding a public competition to basicly insult a whole religion a bit uncouth they have every right to do so and should not have to fear coming under attack or should have come under attack. And thankfully the two gunmen no longer walk this earth.


SOME Muslims are evil rapist terrorists, some are not.

Those who are terrorists deserve to be insulted.

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Postby United Prefectures of Appia » Thu May 07, 2015 12:55 pm

Lleu llaw Gyffes wrote:SOME Muslims are evil rapist terrorists, some are not.

Unfortunately, the Charlie Hebdo wannabes don't seem to view that way, as do many extreme right-wingers in the US.
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Postby Lleu llaw Gyffes » Thu May 07, 2015 3:02 pm

Is that right? 2 dead terrorists, zero dead innocents? If so, then :clap: :clap: :clap:

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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Thu May 07, 2015 3:31 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:So am I the only person who thinks that the winning entry made the Prophet look like one of the Thundercats?


Mind linking if that is allowed?


It was posted several pages back without complaint, so no worries.

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Postby Big Jim P » Thu May 07, 2015 5:25 pm

Lleu llaw Gyffes wrote:Is that right? 2 dead terrorists, zero dead innocents? If so, then :clap: :clap: :clap:


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Postby Ethel mermania » Sat May 09, 2015 6:34 pm

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:
Mind linking if that is allowed?


It was posted several pages back without complaint, so no worries.


Thundercats? i keep think jonny quest, but the indian kid was too young.
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Sat May 09, 2015 6:38 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:


Thundercats? i keep think jonny quest, but the indian kid was too young.


No, no. With all of subtlety of an anvil dropped on the head (seriously, that cartoon should be a product of the ACME Corporation), he's giving the man a distinctly feral look.

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Postby Ethel mermania » Sat May 09, 2015 6:45 pm

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
Thundercats? i keep think jonny quest, but the indian kid was too young.


No, no. With all of subtlety of an anvil dropped on the head (seriously, that cartoon should be a product of the ACME Corporation), he's giving the man a distinctly feral look.


ha ha found it, this is much easier on a puter than a phone.

his name is Kronick

Image

and another

Image
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Sat May 09, 2015 6:54 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
No, no. With all of subtlety of an anvil dropped on the head (seriously, that cartoon should be a product of the ACME Corporation), he's giving the man a distinctly feral look.


ha ha found it, this is much easier on a puter than a phone.

his name is Kronick

Image

and another

Image


I get where you're going with the facial structure, but the shading on the sides, bared teeth, and somewhat flattened nose all scream "Lion-O" to me.

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Postby Ethel mermania » Sat May 09, 2015 7:01 pm

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Ethel mermania wrote:
ha ha found it, this is much easier on a puter than a phone.

his name is Kronick

Image

and another

Image


I get where you're going with the facial structure, but the shading on the sides, bared teeth, and somewhat flattened nose all scream "Lion-O" to me.


what really frights me, is i remembered kronik, yet i forget one of my kids middle name.

to your point, when i do a google images search, i see it in some of the fan art, but not in the production cells.
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Postby White Anglo-Saxon America » Sat May 09, 2015 9:17 pm

Well at least security quickly dealt with the problem.
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