Shooting at Muhammad cartoon conference in Dallas

[Donut section]

Yeah, i don't see that.

Take any classes in psychology?

Some, i'm starting org psych start of next year.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Mission accomplished, then.

It reminds me of nothing so much as when I was a teenager, and loved saying "fuck" in front of adults (not anyone who could get me in trouble, mind). It shocked the older ones, and when they complained or attempted to lecture me, I'd tell them that I had free speech, and the right to say whatever I wanted, and if they didn't like it, then they could just, you know, move to Russia, man. Of course, that's the reaction that I was looking for, and I delighted in it.

God, I was an insufferable douche. It took me years how to learn to be a somewhat sufferable one.

Why would you do that anyways? Cussing in front of strangers is quite rude.

Oh well, the shooters were in the wrong. There isn't much else to discuss.

For the same reason that the artists at the contest were intentionally pissing off a bunch of Muslims they didn't know: the immature joy of causing a negative reaction.

[Scomagia]

Minor gripe here but you absolutely can intentionally induce a mental or emotional state in another person. In fact, it's trivially easy. At the same time, changing your own mood is comparatively difficult.

Just saying.

Yeah, i don't see that.

Pretty basic human psychology. Our moods are changed and directed by our world and peers as much as (possibly more than) our will.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Take any classes in psychology?

Some, i'm starting org psych start of next year.

Read up a bit more on the subject. Sco isn't wrong. I know that from your perspective, you may not see it, and I respect that, but it is the truth.

[The Alma Mater]

Mission accomplished, then.

It reminds me of nothing so much as when I was a teenager, and loved saying "fuck" in front of adults (not anyone who could get me in trouble, mind). It shocked the older ones, and when they complained or attempted to lecture me, I'd tell them that I had free speech, and the right to say whatever I wanted, and if they didn't like it, then they could just, you know, move to Russia, man. Of course, that's the reaction that I was looking for, and I delighted in it.

God, I was an insufferable douche. It took me years how to learn to be a somewhat sufferable one.

Why would you do that anyways? Cussing in front of strangers is quite rude.

Oh well, the shooters were in the wrong. There isn't much else to discuss.

Well, we can discuss the response by the "ebil mooslem hivemind".
Which sofar sady seems to consist entirely of "well, they were asking for it" and "such a pity Wilders was not killed".

[Scomagia]

Minor gripe here but you absolutely can intentionally induce a mental or emotional state in another person. In fact, it's trivially easy. At the same time, changing your own mood is comparatively difficult.

Just saying.

Well stated, Sexy Jesus.

*Shrugs* I try.

[Donut section]

Some, i'm starting org psych start of next year.

Read up a bit more on the subject. Sco isn't wrong. I know that from your perspective, you may not see it, and I respect that, but it is the truth.

Ok whilst i disagree, i definately believe that a persons will is stronger than external factors, i will leave it here, till i'm better informed.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Read up a bit more on the subject. Sco isn't wrong. I know that from your perspective, you may not see it, and I respect that, but it is the truth.

Ok whilst i disagree, i definately believe that a persons will is stronger than external factors, i will leave it here, till i'm better informed.

"I disagree, but admit that I may not be as well-informed on the subject as I could be, so I won't argue the point for now."

Holy shit. This is a red-letter day on NSG.

Seriously, that's about the most mature response that I've seen on anything today.

[Donut section]

Ok whilst i disagree, i definately believe that a persons will is stronger than external factors, i will leave it here, till i'm better informed.

"I disagree, but admit that I may not be as well-informed on the subject as I could be, so I won't argue the point for now."

Holy shit. This is a red-letter day on NSG.

Seriously, that's about the most mature response that I've seen on anything today.

Um thanks. I always accept that i may be wrong.

[Russels Orbiting Teapot]

Because clearly white people are a disaffected and stereotyped Other under constant suspicion of terrorism in the United States. *nod nod*

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You're right. Those poor, infantile Muslims can't possibly deal with the kind of criticism and mocking that every other group in a free society deals with.

[Scomagia]

Ok whilst i disagree, i definately believe that a persons will is stronger than external factors, i will leave it here, till i'm better informed.

"I disagree, but admit that I may not be as well-informed on the subject as I could be, so I won't argue the point for now."

Holy shit. This is a red-letter day on NSG.

Seriously, that's about the most mature response that I've seen on anything today.

It was a pretty collected response.

I approve.

[Gauthier]

You're right. Those poor, infantile Muslims can't possibly deal with the kind of criticism and mocking that every other group in a free society deals with.

Ah, so being constantly harassed as a possible terrorist or accessory is just "mocking" now. And of course every single Muslim is part of a hivemind so they have the ability to restrain others from acting out violently. *nod*

[Seraven]

So on the one side we have what sounds like a bunch of Islamophobes, and on the other we have Islamic extremists. Could somebody please remind me which ones I'm supposed to dislike more?

I dunno, maybe those who didn't attempt to murder people.

Anyways, this is saddening, and I'm hoping for the best.

Those who did tried to murder the people would not do that if the islamophobes did not demonized Islam

[Yumyumsuppertime]

I dunno, maybe those who didn't attempt to murder people.

Anyways, this is saddening, and I'm hoping for the best.

Those who did tried to murder the people would not do that if the islamophobes did not demonized Islam

I absolutely agree, but let's keep something in perspective here: Attempting to address the issue with bullets is simply awful.

[Gauthier]

I dunno, maybe those who didn't attempt to murder people.

Anyways, this is saddening, and I'm hoping for the best.

Those who did tried to murder the people would not do that if the islamophobes did not demonized Islam

It's mutual backscratching. The radicals are looking for any excuse to get violent, and the islamophobes are looking for violent radicals to declare Gold Standard Muslims.

[The Alma Mater]

You're right. Those poor, infantile Muslims can't possibly deal with the kind of criticism and mocking that every other group in a free society deals with.

Ah, so being constantly harassed as a possible terrorist or accessory is just "mocking" now. And of course every single Muslim is part of a hivemind so they have the ability to restrain others from acting out violently. *nod*

Again: exactly right.
Do note btw that the "muslim hivemind myth" is currently being reinforced by the fully unified "they deserved it" and "should have killed Wilders" responses to this incident. It is amazing to see a people in such unity.

As I said before: some muslims would be wise to hire a PR company.

[Scomagia]

Ah, so being constantly harassed as a possible terrorist or accessory is just "mocking" now. And of course every single Muslim is part of a hivemind so they have the ability to restrain others from acting out violently. *nod*

Again: exactly right.
Do note btw that the "muslim hivemind myth" is currently being reinforced by the fully unified "they deserved it" and "should have killed Wilders" responses to this incident. It is amazing to see a people in such unity.

As I said before: some muslims would be wise to hire a PR company.

Where is this unified response?

[Seraven]

Those who did tried to murder the people would not do that if the islamophobes did not demonized Islam

I absolutely agree, but let's keep something in perspective here: Attempting to address the issue with bullets is simply awful.

It ia a quick solution.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

I absolutely agree, but let's keep something in perspective here: Attempting to address the issue with bullets is simply awful.

It ia a quick solution.

In this case, it was no solution at all.

[The Alma Mater]

Again: exactly right.
Do note btw that the "muslim hivemind myth" is currently being reinforced by the fully unified "they deserved it" and "should have killed Wilders" responses to this incident. It is amazing to see a people in such unity.

As I said before: some muslims would be wise to hire a PR company.

Where is this unified response?

On Dutch news sites. Especially the Facebook site of the NOS (the national broadcasting company that shows the main news) is being swamped by muslims posting those statements.

Of course, it IS only 07:00 in the Netherlands currently and the news came out in the middle of the night - so the more intelligent, hardworking muslims were probably asleep - and those who are going wild in public are the ones with nothing better to do.

But the damage is once again done. It's a pattern - some loony muslims do someting bad; a tidal wave of approval is heard from what is perceived to be the muslim community, and only much later a few more levelheaded people try to make themselves heard. By then it is too late.

[Cyllea]

Well, obviously the idiots exercising their free speech rights are in the right.

They're not shooting at people. They're just exercising their constitutional rights to be fucking morons. That's no crime.

No, but they're provoking violence both by Christian and Islamic fundamentalists. Shit like this should be banned as hate speech and promoting violence.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Where is this unified response?

On Dutch news sites. Especially the Facebook site of the NOS (the national broadcasting company that shows the main news) is being swamped by muslims posting those statements.

Of course, it IS only 07:00 in the Netherlands currently and the news came out in the middle of the night - so the more intelligent, hardworking muslims were probably asleep - and those who are going wild in public are the ones with nothing better to do.

But the damage is once again done. It's a pattern - some loony muslims do someting bad; a tidal wave of approval is heard from what is perceived to be the muslim community, and only much later a few more levelheaded people try to make themselves heard. By then it is too late.

I'm not sure that internet comments sections are necessarily an accurate representation of the mainstream opinions of any group anywhere in the world at any time of the day or the night.

[Seraven]

It ia a quick solution.

In this case, it was no solution at all.

si

This is the only solution. Silencing The ones who demonized Islam permanently is better, and cheaper, than reeducating them.

[Gauthier]

On Dutch news sites. Especially the Facebook site of the NOS (the national broadcasting company that shows the main news) is being swamped by muslims posting those statements.

Of course, it IS only 07:00 in the Netherlands currently and the news came out in the middle of the night - so the more intelligent, hardworking muslims were probably asleep - and those who are going wild in public are the ones with nothing better to do.

But the damage is once again done. It's a pattern - some loony muslims do someting bad; a tidal wave of approval is heard from what is perceived to be the muslim community, and only much later a few more levelheaded people try to make themselves heard. By then it is too late.

I'm not sure that internet comments sections are necessarily an accurate representation of the mainstream opinions of any group anywhere in the world at any time of the day or the night.

But it's enough if you want to generalize an entire group.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

In this case, it was no solution at all.

si

This is the only solution. Silencing The ones who demonized Islam permanently is better, and cheaper, than reeducating them.

Okay.

Except that didn't happen. The only people who died were the shooters. So even going by your perspective on this (and I don't use this word lightly, nor do I believe that I have ever used this word on NSG due to the baggage that it carries, but your entire take on it is simply evil), this was entirely unsuccessful.