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by Arumdaum » Thu Apr 30, 2015 5:47 am
by Kenzinia » Thu Apr 30, 2015 5:55 am
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by Dain II Ironfoot » Thu Apr 30, 2015 7:00 am
by Napkiraly » Thu Apr 30, 2015 7:04 am
Dain II Ironfoot wrote:Their own decision, though i can't feel sorry for those executed one bit. They know they law over there so its they knew the risk they took, i'm glad they are treated like every other person and have been executed.
by Dain II Ironfoot » Thu Apr 30, 2015 7:05 am
by The Greater Aryan Race » Thu Apr 30, 2015 7:05 am
Imperium Sidhicum wrote:So, uh... Is this another one of those threads where everyone is supposed to feel outraged and circle-jerk in agreement of how injust and terrible the described incident is?
Because if it is, I'm probably going to say something mean and contrary just to contradict the majority.
by Winpheala » Thu Apr 30, 2015 7:13 am
The Greater Aryan Race wrote:Hate to be frank about this but dead is dead. Like it or not, Indonesia has a right to enforce it's own laws within it's sovereign borders. Australia's recalling of her ambassador won't bring the smugglers back and frankly, just comes across as being overtly petulant and pointless.
by Roderia » Thu Apr 30, 2015 7:15 am
by Cabana » Thu Apr 30, 2015 7:15 am
come on and slamBezombia wrote:-Reagan was a Pastafarian and had statues of Cthulhu in his bed every night.
-Vladimir Lenin was married to Reagan's wife. Make of that what you will.
by The Greater Aryan Race » Thu Apr 30, 2015 7:17 am
Winpheala wrote:The Greater Aryan Race wrote:Hate to be frank about this but dead is dead. Like it or not, Indonesia has a right to enforce it's own laws within it's sovereign borders. Australia's recalling of her ambassador won't bring the smugglers back and frankly, just comes across as being overtly petulant and pointless.
Indeed. Sanctions should have been made much earlier.
Imperium Sidhicum wrote:So, uh... Is this another one of those threads where everyone is supposed to feel outraged and circle-jerk in agreement of how injust and terrible the described incident is?
Because if it is, I'm probably going to say something mean and contrary just to contradict the majority.
by Roderia » Thu Apr 30, 2015 7:19 am
by Kenzinia » Thu Apr 30, 2015 7:29 am
Dain II Ironfoot wrote:Their own decision, though i can't feel sorry for those executed one bit. They know they law over there so its they knew the risk they took, i'm glad they are treated like every other person and have been executed.
Roderia wrote:To all those up in arms about the execution,
I am an Australian Nationalist, yet even I believe that Indonesia was well within their rights to do this. It is common knowledge in Australia that drug charges are punished by death in Indonesia. The Indonesian government has already given into Australian demands on several occasions to release those accused of drug charges, this time they decided to stop listening. The Australian government should not be wasting time and money to bail out idiot criminals who commit capital offences in foreign nations. Despite the fact that I don't really like Indonesia, I respect their right to execute those who commit crimes in their nation. If an Australian went to the United States and got themselves executed, no-one would care, we wouldn't be hearing about it, we wouldn't be recalling ambassadors. Anyone stupid enough to go to Indonesia and have anything to do with drugs, is clearly an idiot that deserves to be killed.
From an Avid, yet Rational, Nationalist.
*** THE FEDERATION OF KENZINIA ***Pro:
Nationalism, Patriotism, Nazism, Palestine, Indonesia, Hitler, Islam
Anti:
Israel, USA, Judaism, Israel, LGBT Rights, Abortion Rights, Israel
My political compass
Economic Left/Right: -0.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 1.79
- War in Ukraine - Victory
- Laanvian Civil War - Stopped
- Herakugan Fascist Revolt - Victory
- Advancing Panzers - Stopped
- Carabanian Civil War - Victory
- Caribican Insurrection - Ongoing
- Turmoil in the Middle East - Ongoing
Indonesian! 13! Male! Muslim!Member of the F.W.O!
by The Greater Aryan Race » Thu Apr 30, 2015 7:35 am
Winpheala wrote:They have every right. It's their trade, and their citizens, after all.
Imperium Sidhicum wrote:So, uh... Is this another one of those threads where everyone is supposed to feel outraged and circle-jerk in agreement of how injust and terrible the described incident is?
Because if it is, I'm probably going to say something mean and contrary just to contradict the majority.
by Winpheala » Thu Apr 30, 2015 7:42 am
by The Greater Aryan Race » Thu Apr 30, 2015 7:42 am
Imperium Sidhicum wrote:So, uh... Is this another one of those threads where everyone is supposed to feel outraged and circle-jerk in agreement of how injust and terrible the described incident is?
Because if it is, I'm probably going to say something mean and contrary just to contradict the majority.
by The Greater Aryan Race » Thu Apr 30, 2015 7:48 am
Winpheala wrote:My point was, as Australian citizens, the government should have done more before they were killed. E.g. Instead of tipping off Indonesian authorities, they could have arrested them when they got back to Australia.
Imperium Sidhicum wrote:So, uh... Is this another one of those threads where everyone is supposed to feel outraged and circle-jerk in agreement of how injust and terrible the described incident is?
Because if it is, I'm probably going to say something mean and contrary just to contradict the majority.
by Winpheala » Thu Apr 30, 2015 8:01 am
The Greater Aryan Race wrote:Winpheala wrote:I'm not sure how placing sanctions affects sovereignty.
Because by placing sanctions Australia would basically be saying "We don't like some of your laws and who cares if you're an independent state with your own jurisdictional rights, we're just gonna wreck your economy because you upset us.". And that effectively means Indonesia cannot implement and enforce her laws without fear of interference from certain neighboring countries.Winpheala wrote:My point was, as Australian citizens, the government should have done more before they were killed. E.g. Instead of tipping off Indonesian authorities, they could have arrested them when they got back to Australia.
Err why shouldn't the AFP have tipped off the Indonesian authorities? What if the Bali 9 weren't smuggling drugs out of Indonesia but instead peddling them back there?
by Roderia » Thu Apr 30, 2015 8:06 am
Winpheala wrote:The Greater Aryan Race wrote:No they don't. Ever heard of this thing called the right to sovereignty? Indonesia is entitled to that too you know.
...My point was, as Australian citizens, the government should have done more before they were killed. E.g. Instead of tipping off Indonesian authorities, they could have arrested them when they got back to Australia.
by Lyrian Oligarchic Royal Empire » Thu Apr 30, 2015 8:08 am
Roderia wrote:Winpheala wrote:...My point was, as Australian citizens, the government should have done more before they were killed. E.g. Instead of tipping off Indonesian authorities, they could have arrested them when they got back to Australia.
That would be intentionally deceptive, withholding information of a crime taking place in their nation? That is what you want? Well maybe if a mass murderer comes from Indonesia over here, then the Indonesian Authorities may choose not to tip off the Australian Authorities. In addition, The Australian Government has no responsibility to Australian citizens in Indonesia, you know why? BECAUSE THEY ARE OUTSIDE OF AUSTRALIA!
by Roderia » Thu Apr 30, 2015 8:10 am
Winpheala wrote:The Greater Aryan Race wrote:Because by placing sanctions Australia would basically be saying "We don't like some of your laws and who cares if you're an independent state with your own jurisdictional rights, we're just gonna wreck your economy because you upset us.". And that effectively means Indonesia cannot implement and enforce her laws without fear of interference from certain neighboring countries.
Err why shouldn't the AFP have tipped off the Indonesian authorities? What if the Bali 9 weren't smuggling drugs out of Indonesia but instead peddling them back there?
Nope. Still not counted as a violation of sovereignty. It's not interference if you depend on one's help and they later choose to not help you.
A country has a duty to protect it's citizens- by tipping them off, they were essentially them to death. I'm not going to get into the whole drugs and death penalty argument here.
by The Greater Aryan Race » Thu Apr 30, 2015 8:11 am
Winpheala wrote:Nope. Still not counted as a violation of sovereignty. It's not interference if you depend on one's help and they later choose to not help you.
Imperium Sidhicum wrote:So, uh... Is this another one of those threads where everyone is supposed to feel outraged and circle-jerk in agreement of how injust and terrible the described incident is?
Because if it is, I'm probably going to say something mean and contrary just to contradict the majority.
by Roderia » Thu Apr 30, 2015 8:12 am
Lyrian Oligarchic Royal Empire wrote:Roderia wrote:That would be intentionally deceptive, withholding information of a crime taking place in their nation? That is what you want? Well maybe if a mass murderer comes from Indonesia over here, then the Indonesian Authorities may choose not to tip off the Australian Authorities. In addition, The Australian Government has no responsibility to Australian citizens in Indonesia, you know why? BECAUSE THEY ARE OUTSIDE OF AUSTRALIA!
Uhm, that's not true at all.
Australia owes full faith to Australians abroad. Citizenship has both rights and responsibilities for both parties.
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