Australia recalls Indonesian ambassador after execution

[The Republic of Pantalleria]

Do you think that a single mother of two would risk being executed for monetary gain?

Do you think an "appeal to emotion" is going to work on me?

It wasn't an emotional appeal, it was a commonsensical one. I mean seriously, would you really think a poor single mother of two would smuggle drugs to a country she knows has a death penalty for such a thing?

Also providing her clemency is in the best interests of both the Phils and Indonesia, as it can help bring down an international drug and human trafficking syndicate which SUCCESSFULLY brings drugs into Indonesia anyway... And it would seem that your Government agrees...

[Toronina]

Indonesian Land, Indonesian Law. They all knew what would happen if they were caught. I dislike the death penalty and think it's silly to execute drug smugglars, but let us not forget who the ring leaders were here. Chan and Sukumaran weren't just simple drug mules, they were the ring leaders of the Bali Nine. How many families would have lost loved ones to heroin addiction, had they succeeded? This wasn't Marijuana smuggling, they were trying to smuggle a very dangerous drug, and a lot of it to boot.

They knew what would happen, I have no pity for Chan and Sukumaran, and IMO, nearly every move Abbott makes is a blunder, and this could end up as one as well.

[Allentyr]

Welcome to South East Asia

Singapore and Malaysia isn't that bad. At least, they're not primitive.

Kinda late, but they both have the death penalty for drug smuggling.

[The Republic of Pantalleria]

Indonesian Land, Indonesian Law. They all knew what would happen if they were caught. I dislike the death penalty and think it's silly to execute drug smugglars, but let us not forget who the ring leaders were here. Chan and Sukumaran weren't just simple drug mules, they were the ring leaders of the Bali Nine. How many families would have lost loved ones to heroin addiction, had they succeeded? This wasn't Marijuana smuggling, they were trying to smuggle a very dangerous drug, and a lot of it to boot.

They knew what would happen, I have no pity for Chan and Sukumaran, and IMO, nearly every move Abbott makes is a blunder, and this could end up as one as well.

He's relatively better than Gillard, you have to at-least give him that.

[Toronina]

Indonesian Land, Indonesian Law. They all knew what would happen if they were caught. I dislike the death penalty and think it's silly to execute drug smugglars, but let us not forget who the ring leaders were here. Chan and Sukumaran weren't just simple drug mules, they were the ring leaders of the Bali Nine. How many families would have lost loved ones to heroin addiction, had they succeeded? This wasn't Marijuana smuggling, they were trying to smuggle a very dangerous drug, and a lot of it to boot.

They knew what would happen, I have no pity for Chan and Sukumaran, and IMO, nearly every move Abbott makes is a blunder, and this could end up as one as well.

He's relatively better than Gillard, you have to at-least give him that.

I'll take Gillard any day over Abbott.

[The Republic of Pantalleria]

He's relatively better than Gillard, you have to at-least give him that.

I'll take Gillard any day over Abbott.

Why? She was pretty bad, like a person with Bipolar disorder.

[Toronina]

I'll take Gillard any day over Abbott.

Why? She was pretty bad, like a person with Bipolar disorder.

I would list the reasons why, but this is not the thread for discussing why I prefer Abbott over Gillard.

[The Republic of Pantalleria]

Why? She was pretty bad, like a person with Bipolar disorder.

I would list the reasons why, but this is not the thread for discussing why I prefer Abbott over Gillard.

Okay okay, back on topic.
At the end of the day I am greatly saddened by the executions of the Australians, however I am overjoyed that the Indonesian Government has spared the Filipina. Seeing as it is in their best interest to do so.

[Uxupox]

Next time don't go to another country and break their laws. They should have known what was gonna happen if they got caught.

[Sebtopiaris]

Why can't we just have the Philippines directly north of us? I don't like having drug smugglers executed, even if they were guilty, I don't want some sharia law-embracing 3rd world country dishing out justice to my own people.

[Nazi Flower Power]

I think it's really stupid to have this much drama over some drugs.

It seems like most of the stupidity is on Indonesia's end. Using the death penalty for drug smuggling is pretty harsh, and going ahead with it when you're getting complaints from foreign governments is not smart.

Australia reacted more strongly than they needed to, but still within the range of what I consider reasonable.

[The Conez Imperium]

Why can't we just have the Philippines directly north of us? I don't like having drug smugglers executed, even if they were guilty, I don't want some sharia law-embracing 3rd world country dishing out justice to my own people.

Yeah man, lets invade our neighbor because they have a funny religion.

[The Republic of Pantalleria]

Why can't we just have the Philippines directly north of us? I don't like having drug smugglers executed, even if they were guilty, I don't want some sharia law-embracing 3rd world country dishing out justice to my own people.

I really want to agree with you right now, however as long as the Indonesian Government is holding one of "our" own who is without a doubt innocent of willingly and knowingly smuggling drugs into Indonesia, I can't share that feeling for if she is given clemency, Philippine-Indonesian bilateral relations will surely increase... If she's executed however, then we'll start with the racist chantings, just like what we did with Malaysia after they called the Phils a quote "corrupt storm ridden place for business".

[Sebtopiaris]

Why can't we just have the Philippines directly north of us? I don't like having drug smugglers executed, even if they were guilty, I don't want some sharia law-embracing 3rd world country dishing out justice to my own people.

Yeah man, lets invade our neighbor because they have a funny religion.

It's not that they're Islamic. What I'm trying to say is that Indonesia is backwards as hell. I mean, would a sensible country allow this? this? They're not going to budge on punishing OUR criminals, no matter how hard we push. They should just accept it's not they're responsibility- invading them is fucking dumb, and I never said it was a good idea.

Remember, as far as I know, it's not just the Bali 9- A Romanian was killed for selling Cannabis, and a Dutch man was killed also. It's not a one-off.

[Teemant]

Overreaction and exaggeration by Australia in my opinion.

[Sebtopiaris]

Why can't we just have the Philippines directly north of us? I don't like having drug smugglers executed, even if they were guilty, I don't want some sharia law-embracing 3rd world country dishing out justice to my own people.

I really want to agree with you right now, however as long as the Indonesian Government is holding one of "our" own who is without a doubt innocent of willingly and knowingly smuggling drugs into Indonesia, I can't share that feeling for if she is given clemency, Philippine-Indonesian bilateral relations will surely increase... If she's executed however, then we'll start with the racist chantings, just like what we did with Malaysia after they called the Phils a quote "corrupt storm ridden place for business".

Who cares? The Aussie ones aren't even Indonesian citizens, we should be the ones punishing them. As for the Philippine one, why not leave her under the jurisdiction of the Philippines?

[Teemant]

I really want to agree with you right now, however as long as the Indonesian Government is holding one of "our" own who is without a doubt innocent of willingly and knowingly smuggling drugs into Indonesia, I can't share that feeling for if she is given clemency, Philippine-Indonesian bilateral relations will surely increase... If she's executed however, then we'll start with the racist chantings, just like what we did with Malaysia after they called the Phils a quote "corrupt storm ridden place for business".

Who cares? The Aussie ones aren't even Indonesian citizens, we should be the ones punishing them. As for the Philippine one, why not leave her under the jurisdiction of the Philippines?

So if a foreigner commits crime in Australia but this isn't a crime in another country (where he/she comes from) then Australia should let him go?

[The Republic of Pantalleria]

I really want to agree with you right now, however as long as the Indonesian Government is holding one of "our" own who is without a doubt innocent of willingly and knowingly smuggling drugs into Indonesia, I can't share that feeling for if she is given clemency, Philippine-Indonesian bilateral relations will surely increase... If she's executed however, then we'll start with the racist chantings, just like what we did with Malaysia after they called the Phils a quote "corrupt storm ridden place for business".

Who cares? The Aussie ones aren't even Indonesian citizens, we should be the ones punishing them. As for the Philippine one, why not leave her under the jurisdiction of the Philippines?

Technically we should have, however the AFP tipped off the Indonesians while they were about to leave for Aussie, so yeah...
As for the Phils case, she had luggage which was lined with Heroine, she checked it but it was sewn into the bag by the drug smugglers so she wouldn't have known.
However, it is in Indonesia's best interest spare her as her testimony would lead to a decreased amount of drugs being smuggled into Indonesia, thus saving Indonesian lives.

[Sebtopiaris]

Who cares? The Aussie ones aren't even Indonesian citizens, we should be the ones punishing them. As for the Philippine one, why not leave her under the jurisdiction of the Philippines?

So if a foreigner commits crime in Australia but this isn't a crime in another country (where he/she comes from) then Australia should let him go?

Pretty much. A double standard should be present in these sorts of things.

[The Nihilistic view]

It will just exacerbate the situation. The wrong decision.

[Vitaphone Racing]

Why can't we just have the Philippines directly north of us? I don't like having drug smugglers executed, even if they were guilty, I don't want some sharia law-embracing 3rd world country dishing out justice to my own people.

Yeah man, lets invade our neighbor because they have a funny religion.

Invasion is a bit strong, let's at least fuck with their economy and send their social order down the drain. Maybe that will inspire their population to revolt and we might get a decent Indonesian government for a change. At the very least, one not so determined to murder Australians.

Indonesian logic:
Shoot 5 Australian journalists reporting a genocide; get a medal.
Help to blow up a nightclub and kill 202 people, 88 Australians; get five years in prison
Smuggle some druuuuuuuugs; shot to death.
Murder some Australian tourist; lolwut we don't know who did that

[Vitaphone Racing]

Who cares? The Aussie ones aren't even Indonesian citizens, we should be the ones punishing them. As for the Philippine one, why not leave her under the jurisdiction of the Philippines?

So if a foreigner commits crime in Australia but this isn't a crime in another country (where he/she comes from) then Australia should let him go?

No, because Australia is fair and just. Our laws are objectively correct and Indonesia's are wrong.

[Ethel mermania]

I really want to agree with you right now, however as long as the Indonesian Government is holding one of "our" own who is without a doubt innocent of willingly and knowingly smuggling drugs into Indonesia, I can't share that feeling for if she is given clemency, Philippine-Indonesian bilateral relations will surely increase... If she's executed however, then we'll start with the racist chantings, just like what we did with Malaysia after they called the Phils a quote "corrupt storm ridden place for business".

Who cares? The Aussie ones aren't even Indonesian citizens, we should be the ones punishing them. As for the Philippine one, why not leave her under the jurisdiction of the Philippines?

The crimes were committed in Indonesia not Australia. You are prosecuted in the jurisdiction where the crimes are committed.

[The Republic of Pantalleria]

So if a foreigner commits crime in Australia but this isn't a crime in another country (where he/she comes from) then Australia should let him go?

Pretty much. A double standard should be present in these sorts of things.

That's called corruption, something I'm very much against.

[Ethel mermania]

So if a foreigner commits crime in Australia but this isn't a crime in another country (where he/she comes from) then Australia should let him go?

No, because Australia is fair and just. Our laws are objectively correct and Indonesia's are wrong.

Don't go to indonesia, and place yourself under Indonesian jurisdiction