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Was Australia right to recall its ambassador to Indonesia?

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Australia recalls Indonesian ambassador after execution

Postby Atlanticatia » Wed Apr 29, 2015 11:16 am

Australia has recalled its ambassador from Indonesia after two Australian men were executed for drug smuggling.
Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran were among eight people from several countries executed by firing squad in the early hours of Wednesday on the prison island of Nusakambangan.
Brazil's government also expressed its "deep dismay" at the execution of one of its citizens, Rodrigo Gularte.
But the execution of a Philippine woman was called off at the last minute.
Mary Jane Fiesta Veloso was spared after Philippines officials said a woman she had accused of planting drugs on her was in police custody.

The families of the condemned prisoners paid them final, emotional visits on Tuesday afternoon before the sentences were carried out.
All eight refused offers of blindfolds and were singing together in their final moments, a pastor present at the execution told the Sydney Morning Herald.
Hours after the executions, ambulances left the prison island, taking the prisoners' bodies to their chosen funeral sites in Indonesia or their home countries.
Australia had mounted a lengthy diplomatic campaign to save Chan and Sukumaran, convicted in 2006 of being the ringleaders of a group of Australian heroin traffickers known as the Bali Nine.
Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott said on Tuesday that the executions were "cruel and unnecessary", adding that Chan and Sukumaran had been "fully rehabilitated" while in prison.
"We respect Indonesia's sovereignty but we do deplore what's been done and this cannot be simply business as usual," he said.

This is the first time Australia has recalled an ambassador from Indonesia, and its first-ever recall over the execution of one of its citizens abroad.
Indonesian Attorney General Muhammad Prasetyo defended the executions, saying his country was fighting a "war" on drugs.
Indonesia is an important country to Australia, the BBC's Jon Donnison says, with the two working closely together on asylum seekers and terrorism issues.

Joko Widodo, Indonesia's president, has publicly declared a war on drugs and said he will refuse all clemency applications from convicted drug traffickers - a stance that could prove legally problematic given that the very point of a presidential clemency is to evaluate each individual on a case-by-case basis.
But that will be little comfort to the families of the eight people who were executed.
Indonesia risks souring relations with other nations over its hardline approach, as it has already with Australia, home of two of the smugglers. But Indonesia's new president appears willing to take the risk, even if it means tarnishing his own reputation as a liberal, reform-minded leader.

Brazil's government later issued a statement saying the execution of Gularte marked "a serious event in the relations between the two countries".
Gularte's family had said he had schizophrenia and should not have been on death row.
Gularte was the second Brazilian to be executed for drug smuggling in Indonesia in four months. Marco Archer Cardoso Moreira was killed by firing squad at Nusakambangan in January, prompting Brazil to recall its ambassador.

British drug smuggler Lindsay Sandiford, who is on death row in Indonesia, called the execution of fellow inmates "senseless and brutal". Her lawyer said she could be among the next to be executed.
But there was delight on Monday for the family of Philippine woman Veloso, after her execution was called off at the last minute following a request by the Philippine president.
Her mother described the reprieve as a "miracle".
"We are so happy, I can't believe it. I can't believe my child will live," Celia Veloso told Philippine radio station DZMM.
Sonny Coloma, a spokesman for the Philippine president, told the BBC he was "relieved and thankful" but stressed "the death sentence on her has not been lifted".

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-32508722
TL;DR: Indonesia has executed an Australian citizen for drug smuggling as part of its 'war on drugs', which led Australia to recall its ambassador to Indonesia.


I think Australia is right to recall its ambassador. I am wholeheartedly opposed to the death penalty in all circumstances, and it is especially barbaric that they were executed for drug smuggling after being in prison for many years and being rehabilitated. It is shameful that these people had to die. Sure, they are criminals, but they served time and that should be enough. The death penalty is not okay in any situation and the war on drugs needs to come to an end.

So, what say ye NSG? Was Australia right to recall its ambassador? Was the death penalty appropriate in this situation, or any situation?
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Postby British Empire Strikes Back » Wed Apr 29, 2015 11:19 am

Australia should place sanctions on Indonesia for such a barbaric act. If Indonesia was still Dutch, they would not be executing people in 2015. Capital punishment needs to be banned, especially for such offenses as drug trafficing.
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Postby Romano-Germanic Empire » Wed Apr 29, 2015 11:24 am

I totally agree. Every single one of those prisoners had reformed. When they were arrested they definitely deserved their sentence. However, things change over 10 years and by now they had become upstanding members of society. One of them even took up painting! They definitely didn't deserve to die. On top of that the defendant from Brazil belonged in a mental institution not death row because he clearly had schizophrenia (he kept rambling about angels and whatnot).
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Postby Wisconsin9 » Wed Apr 29, 2015 11:38 am

I mean, I can understand wanting to deter drug smuggling, but execution is going way too far.
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Postby Novorobo » Wed Apr 29, 2015 11:50 am

"Indonesian ambassador" nothing, any country that's against the death penalty for drug smuggling needs to cut off all ties with Indonesia, period.
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Postby Calimera II » Wed Apr 29, 2015 11:52 am

The Dutch King, Prime Minister, Ambassador and Minister of Foreign Affairs tried to prevent a dutch guy from being executed in Indonesia, it didn't work. So honestly, I don't think this will work either.

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Postby Genivaria » Wed Apr 29, 2015 11:55 am

Wisconsin9 wrote:I mean, I can understand wanting to deter drug smuggling, but execution is going way too far.

Especially after they went through rehabilitation.
That's a Rick Perry level of unnecessary execution.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Wed Apr 29, 2015 11:56 am

Execution for drug smuggling is pretty batshit crazy.
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Postby Atlanticatia » Wed Apr 29, 2015 11:56 am

Indonesia has also attempted to ban alcohol sale and consumption.
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Postby Genivaria » Wed Apr 29, 2015 11:57 am

Atlanticatia wrote:Indonesia has also attempted to ban alcohol sale and consumption.

Ugh, Puritanical morality.
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Postby Arcanda » Wed Apr 29, 2015 11:58 am

If they spent as much money and time on actually tracking down kingpins instead of smugglers, maybe it'd be more efficient.

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Postby Lyrian Oligarchic Royal Empire » Wed Apr 29, 2015 11:59 am

Arcanda wrote:If they spent as much money and time on actually tracking down kingpins instead of smugglers, maybe it'd be more efficient.

You mean arrest the ruling elite and members of the military?

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Postby Norstal » Wed Apr 29, 2015 12:22 pm

Atlanticatia wrote:
So, what say ye NSG? Was Australia right to recall its ambassador? Was the death penalty appropriate in this situation, or any situation?

Indonesia is one of the countries I wish the U.S would liberate. Australia wasn't right to recall its ambassador. Australia needs to outright disrespect their "sovereignty" and use the necessary force to remove the Islamic-minded national government and free their citizens.

I really would rather lose all of my life savings that I stored in Jakarta if it will get rid of the Muslim fundies in parliament.

Atlanticatia wrote:Indonesia has also attempted to ban alcohol sale and consumption.

And internet memes. Imgur is banned there because memes will...do...something. But this is what you get when you bring democracy to illiterate peasants who thinks wearing green to the beach will summon a sea-witch.
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Postby Lindenholt » Wed Apr 29, 2015 12:23 pm

British Empire Strikes Back wrote:Australia should place sanctions on Indonesia for such a barbaric act. If Indonesia was still Dutch, they would not be executing people in 2015. Capital punishment needs to be banned, especially for such offenses as drug trafficing.

The UN should step in to give back our rightful clay.
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Postby Norstal » Wed Apr 29, 2015 12:28 pm

Lindenholt wrote:
British Empire Strikes Back wrote:Australia should place sanctions on Indonesia for such a barbaric act. If Indonesia was still Dutch, they would not be executing people in 2015. Capital punishment needs to be banned, especially for such offenses as drug trafficing.

The UN should step in to give back our rightful clay.

If only it was that easy. I'd rather have Dutch rule in Indonesia than whatever this mess we have now.
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Postby Geilinor » Wed Apr 29, 2015 12:57 pm

While I oppose execution for drug smuggling, it's too late. Nothing can bring them back now.
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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Wed Apr 29, 2015 1:01 pm

Indonesia sounds like it has a primitive, shitty government. What a bunch of cunts.
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Postby Allentyr » Wed Apr 29, 2015 1:03 pm

The Nuclear Fist wrote:Indonesia sounds like it has a primitive, shitty government. What a bunch of cunts.


Welcome to South East Asia :P
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Postby Norstal » Wed Apr 29, 2015 1:21 pm

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The Nuclear Fist wrote:Indonesia sounds like it has a primitive, shitty government. What a bunch of cunts.


Welcome to South East Asia :P

Singapore and Malaysia isn't that bad. At least, they're not primitive.
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Postby Cetacea » Wed Apr 29, 2015 1:21 pm

13 people have already been executed in the USA this year too, so is the US also a barbaric hellhole? - Abbot should follow through and recall the US ambassador as well

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Postby Cabana » Wed Apr 29, 2015 1:25 pm

Norstal wrote:
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Welcome to South East Asia :P

Singapore and Malaysia isn't that bad. At least, they're not primitive.

Doesn't Singapore also have the death penalty for drug smuggling too?
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Postby Norstal » Wed Apr 29, 2015 1:27 pm

Cabana wrote:
Norstal wrote:Singapore and Malaysia isn't that bad. At least, they're not primitive.

Doesn't Singapore also have the death penalty for drug smuggling too?

Seems like they do. Nevermind then, I stand corrected.
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Postby Cabana » Wed Apr 29, 2015 1:31 pm

Norstal wrote:
Cabana wrote:Doesn't Singapore also have the death penalty for drug smuggling too?

Seems like they do. Nevermind then, I stand corrected.

Malaysia too.
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Postby MERIZoC » Wed Apr 29, 2015 1:32 pm

Too little too late. Abbot only offered a half-hearted attempt to get them to stop the executions—there should have been way more pressure from the international community.
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Postby The United Colonies of Earth » Wed Apr 29, 2015 1:33 pm

The Nuclear Fist wrote:Indonesia sounds like it has a primitive, shitty government. What a bunch of cunts.

Jokowi might be listening to those madrassas a bit too much if alcohol is now coming under government proscription. This seems like an overreaction.
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