Baltimore Calmer; 6 Officers Indicted

[Yumyumsuppertime]

I said "won't," not "don't."

Either way, my point still stands. Rioting won't change the situation.

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Rioting brought renewed attention to the inner cities after Watts and Detroit exploded, put a spotlight on racism in Ferguson (which led to the resignations of a number of officials following a scathing federal report), Stonewall provided the turning point for the LGBT community by showing those derided as "limp-wristed fags" actually standing up and fighting back, which galvanized the embryonic gay rights movement, Los Angeles in '92 exposed the shocking brutality that police were capable of and how the justice system was nevertheless rigged in their favor...sorry, you had a point?

[Mavorpen]

What are you talking about? Ferguson was definitely effective. You do know that thanks to the events in Ferguson we got official government reports done that there was a history of racial discrimination, right?

One report from the Justice Department found systemic racism within the ranks of the Ferguson Police Department. It didn't stop the Eric Garner incident from happening, it didn't stop the New York officers from getting murdered in cold blood in response to Ferguson, and it didn't stop Baltimore and the Freddie Gray incident now. I wouldn't call Ferguson effective.

You expect all problems in the world to be solved with one event?

It isn't a matter of it being effective at that point. You have ridiculous standards.

[Castille de Italia]

honestly I want to say to the rioters that they simply should be gunned down, act like animals get treated as such, but thats just my anger speaking, not in a good mood about this shit, seems like every few weeks we have a fucking riot over something

What do you think should happen to the officers who took Gray into custody and ended his life?

Indicted, tried, and hopefully the jury will find them guilty. I wholly support law enforcement and what they do, and I have some experience in law enforcement myself. I've been known to take the unpopular side of law enforcement during some situations like this, but ultimately when you beat a guy so bad that it severs their spinal cord, you deserve to go to prison for a long time, especially when your job is to protect and serve.

[Mavorpen]

What are you talking about? Ferguson was definitely effective. You do know that thanks to the events in Ferguson we got official government reports done that there was a history of racial discrimination, right?

And permanently damaged the economy of the city. Anyone who thinks "should I move to Ferguson" for a generation is going to think "No." Breitbart reported that property values have plummeted since the riots. No one wants to be there, so the people who are there just get unlucky. Poverty is the problem, and this is two steps back for a possible step forward.

You're using Brietbart for an argument?

And I should take it seriously because...?

[Yumyumsuppertime]

What are you talking about? Ferguson was definitely effective. You do know that thanks to the events in Ferguson we got official government reports done that there was a history of racial discrimination, right?

One report from the Justice Department found systemic racism within the ranks of the Ferguson Police Department. It didn't stop the Eric Garner incident from happening, it didn't stop the New York officers from getting murdered in cold blood in response to Ferguson, and it didn't stop Baltimore and the Freddie Gray incident now. I wouldn't call Ferguson effective.

"It didn't do everything, which naturally means that it didn't do anything."

[Vandario]

honestly I want to say to the rioters that they simply should be gunned down, act like animals get treated as such, but thats just my anger speaking, not in a good mood about this shit, seems like every few weeks we have a fucking riot over something

What do you think should happen to the officers who took Gray into custody and ended his life or the system of institutionalized racism that enabled it?

well this "institutionalize" racism is mostly shit people are saying now, and devaluing when racism actually happens,as well try and tug heart strings, when someone of another race gets killed by police? oh! riot! when a white guy dies? no news no one gives a fuck, no fuck them, burning down your own homes and business aren't helping, their ruining peoples lives, fuck them they need to be gunned down, want to act like crazy feral shit heads, get put down like one, act like civilize human beings for gods sake.

[Mavorpen]

One report from the Justice Department found systemic racism within the ranks of the Ferguson Police Department. It didn't stop the Eric Garner incident from happening, it didn't stop the New York officers from getting murdered in cold blood in response to Ferguson, and it didn't stop Baltimore and the Freddie Gray incident now. I wouldn't call Ferguson effective.

"It didn't do everything, which naturally means that it didn't do anything."

Ferguson didn't solve world hunger. What a useless event.

[Ecaria]

Well yeah, I've already gathered you don't know anything about me.

Go ahead and point ou something your opinion has changed on. And I don't mean finding a better way to argue something you already believed.

Of course it's quite fair to assume that.

Then perhaps you should stop.

Wait you've gone through every single one of my posts? Have you counted up the number of posts and established this percentage?

The fact you focused on the 90% obvious rhetoric figure instead of an actual rebuttal kind of speak to how you haven't contributed much of value.

Oh and I do debate the same in real life. No trouble as of yet, but plenty of changed opinions.

Must not do it like here then - as I said, because you would have no friends otherwise.

I don't. I treat arguments like shit. Unfortunately people take that personally.

"You lack reading comprehension" is not treating their argument like shit, that is directly attacking the other person.

What? Nothing above this was an argument. It was you making shit up and not backing it up. But then again you can't. You haven't gone through every single one of my posts in NSG. You know that. But that didn't keep you from pulling numbers out of your ass.

Semantics again. Again. I haven't made anything up - obviously you have said something right, What I have said is you contributed little. Name one person you've argued with that changed their mind because of what you said. You can't, can you? Acting like a smug asshole is the wrong way to do it.

And you said you were ending this. Why are you still here?

Because I don't want us to be assholes to each other - I honestly want a real discussion. We ended the original nonsense conversation and moved to something much more important, how you acted in this thread.

I don't want us to be hostile to each other, but you just can't control yourself.

[Empire of Narnia]

If you were in Baltimore what store would you loot first?

[Ecaria]

Either way, my point still stands. Rioting won't change the situation.

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Rioting brought renewed attention to the inner cities after Watts and Detroit exploded, put a spotlight on racism in Ferguson (which led to the resignations of a number of officials following a scathing federal report), Stonewall provided the turning point for the LGBT community by showing those derided as "limp-wristed fags" actually standing up and fighting back, which galvanized the embryonic gay rights movement, Los Angeles in '92 exposed the shocking brutality that police were capable of and how the justice system was nevertheless rigged in their favor...sorry, you had a point?

What did the LA riots actually achieve, considering the exact same brutality is present today, in the LAPD, decades later.

[Dremovia]

Mandatory cams are being implemented for police officers to wear in several citys and spreading. It is a new trend that is growing to protect officers as well as civilians. Unfortunately the fedral government would rather give free m-16's to police then have constitutional values that make sense.

[Aethrys]

I'd hope that these criminals were brought to justice, but the expense involved naturally means the majority will get away with their crimes. Hopefully the authorities will wise up, crack down on this nonsense and restore order before too many more people are hurt by these violent lunatics.

[LoveIra]

Why do they cannot at least once a peacefull protest without starting looting the city?

[Natapoc]

If you were in Baltimore what store would you loot first?

Most of my friends who are there are serving as medics for anyone who needs it. If I were there I'd probably be with them.

[Aethrys]

Why do they cannot at least once a peacefull protest without starting looting the city?

Because you can't express your displeasure with the state of affairs without a stolen flat screen or half a dozen pairs of jordans.

[Nazi Flower Power]

I have no problem with the peaceful demonstrations, but rioting and looting is not OK.

7-11 and McDonald's didn't kill this guy. What's the point of taking it out on them? If they stormed a police station or something, that would at least have some logic to it. Actually, that would make a big difference in my attitude toward the violence, if it was directly targeted at the police rather than just running around committing random crimes.

[Ecaria]

I have no problem with the peaceful demonstrations, but rioting and looting is not OK.

7-11 and McDonald's didn't kill this guy. What's the point of taking it out on them? If they stormed a police station or something, that would at least have some logic to it. Actually, that would make a big difference in my attitude toward the violence, if it was directly targeted at the police rather than just running around committing random crimes.

Rioters are too afraid to actually attack the police since that could get them killed. Far safer to loot the local mom&pop shop then justify it later.

[Aethrys]

I have no problem with the peaceful demonstrations, but rioting and looting is not OK.

7-11 and McDonald's didn't kill this guy. What's the point of taking it out on them? If they stormed a police station or something, that would at least have some logic to it. Actually, that would make a big difference in my attitude toward the violence, if it was directly targeted at the police rather than just running around committing random crimes.

What peaceful demonstrations?

So targeted violence on cops is okay in your book. Good to know. I believe there was a guy in New York who shared your views, and used a couple NYPD officers to express them.

[Vandario]

Why do they cannot at least once a peaceful protest without starting looting the city?

because we let them get away with it, obviously this doesn't solve a damn thing, all it does is destroy lives and communities, I'm not saying I'm siding with anyone here, I'm simply pissed and sick of these riots they don't do a positive conclusive thing, the side I'm on is that of the courts, let them decide wait until we get all the facts, and see all sides of this, you know, like a rational logical person, hell I'm not even opposed to peaceful protests, freedom of speech man, speak your message, but don't go about burning down a damn city.

[Mavorpen]

Well yeah, I've already gathered you don't know anything about me.

Go ahead and point ou something your opinion has changed on. And I don't mean finding a better way to argue something you already believed.

My biggest ones have been communism and religion I suppose. I have more positive views about religion and no longer accept communism. I'm more along the lines of a socialist now.

Of course it's quite fair to assume that.

Then perhaps you should stop.

Meh.

Wait you've gone through every single one of my posts? Have you counted up the number of posts and established this percentage?

The fact you focused on the 90% obvious rhetoric figure instead of an actual rebuttal kind of speak to how you haven't contributed much of value.

I'm not focusing on the 90% itself. I was facetiously wondering how much time you have actually spent going through my posts because you're making claims that you can't possibly know unless you've studied my posts in depth. Which is quite disturbing.

But the topics I've contributed the most to are probably the ones involving religion, socialism and capitalism, race and abortion.

Oh and I do debate the same in real life. No trouble as of yet, but plenty of changed opinions.

Must not do it like here then - as I said, because you would have no friends otherwise.

No its pretty much the exact same. Except I obviously don't "type" in caps by yelling.

I don't. I treat arguments like shit. Unfortunately people take that personally.

"You lack reading comprehension" is not treating their argument like shit, that is directly attacking the other person.

No, it's treating their argument like shit. If you attack a straw man I'll point that out.

What? Nothing above this was an argument. It was you making shit up and not backing it up. But then again you can't. You haven't gone through every single one of my posts in NSG. You know that. But that didn't keep you from pulling numbers out of your ass.

Semantics again. Again. I haven't made anything up - obviously you have said something right, What I have said is you contributed little. Name one person you've argued with that changed their mind because of what you said. You can't, can you? Acting like a smug asshole is the wrong way to do it.

Once again, I've never ever said that I've single handedly caused someone to change their mind. No one has on this site. Come on now I JUST went over this.

And you said you were ending this. Why are you still here?

Because I don't want us to be assholes to each other - I honestly want a real discussion. We ended the original nonsense conversation and moved to something much more important, how you acted in this thread.

This isn't important. It has nothing to do with the thread topic. It would have been best you actually have ended it because I don't care one bit about what you think about me.

I don't want us to be hostile to each other, but you just can't control yourself.

Look, this is an Internet forum. We don't know each other in real life. We will never meet each other. This makes utterly no difference in our lives. Stop treating this as more than what it is.

[Natapoc]

Why do they cannot at least once a peacefull protest without starting looting the city?

Apparently because you never pay attention to the peaceful ones. Otherwise you would not make a comment like this.

[Natapoc]

What do you think should happen to the officers who took Gray into custody and ended his life or the system of institutionalized racism that enabled it?

well this "institutionalize" racism is mostly shit people are saying now, and devaluing when racism actually happens,as well try and tug heart strings, when someone of another race gets killed by police? oh! riot! when a white guy dies? no news no one gives a fuck, no fuck them, burning down your own homes and business aren't helping, their ruining peoples lives, fuck them they need to be gunned down, want to act like crazy feral shit heads, get put down like one, act like civilize human beings for gods sake.

If "civilized human beings" advocate "gunning down" large numbers of people then I hope I'm never civilized.

[Mavorpen]

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Rioting brought renewed attention to the inner cities after Watts and Detroit exploded, put a spotlight on racism in Ferguson (which led to the resignations of a number of officials following a scathing federal report), Stonewall provided the turning point for the LGBT community by showing those derided as "limp-wristed fags" actually standing up and fighting back, which galvanized the embryonic gay rights movement, Los Angeles in '92 exposed the shocking brutality that police were capable of and how the justice system was nevertheless rigged in their favor...sorry, you had a point?

What did the LA riots actually achieve, considering the exact same brutality is present today, in the LAPD, decades later.

Really? Because experts and the community itself would beg to differ.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

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Rioting brought renewed attention to the inner cities after Watts and Detroit exploded, put a spotlight on racism in Ferguson (which led to the resignations of a number of officials following a scathing federal report), Stonewall provided the turning point for the LGBT community by showing those derided as "limp-wristed fags" actually standing up and fighting back, which galvanized the embryonic gay rights movement, Los Angeles in '92 exposed the shocking brutality that police were capable of and how the justice system was nevertheless rigged in their favor...sorry, you had a point?

What did the LA riots actually achieve, considering the exact same brutality is present today, in the LAPD, decades later.

Not really. We actually had a quite controversial shooting recently, and while the black community wasn't thrilled with it, there was enough trust built up so that we didn't see riots, only demonstrations.

Seriously, you are talking to a white guy who lives between Baldwin Hills and Leimert Park in an almost entirely black neighborhood, and has lived here for a few years. I know whereof I speak.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Why do they cannot at least once a peacefull protest without starting looting the city?

Who is this "they"?