Baltimore Calmer; 6 Officers Indicted

[Saiwania]

I don't believe the new narrative that a homicide happened, I believe in the earlier story about how Freddie snapped his own neck by banging himself against the interior of the police car, maybe he was completely nuts. I think Sean Hannity has it right, don't run away from police, don't make sudden movements, don't be rude, conform as much as possible, and generally the police won't wind up killing you.

[Ecaria]

I don't believe the new narrative that a homicide happened, I believe in the earlier story about how Freddie snapped his own neck by banging himself against the interior of the police car, maybe he was completely nuts. I think Sean Hannity has it right, don't run away from police, don't make sudden movements, don't be rude, conform as much as possible, and generally the police won't wind up killing you.

He slammed himself into the wall so hard, he snapped his spine?

[Arcanda]

They should put cameras inside police cars now.

[Gauthier]

I don't believe the new narrative that a homicide happened, I believe in the earlier story about how Freddie snapped his own neck by banging himself against the interior of the police car, maybe he was completely nuts. I think Sean Hannity has it right, don't run away from police, don't make sudden movements, don't be rude, conform as much as possible, and generally the police won't wind up killing you.

He slammed himself into the wall so hard, he snapped his spine?

Belly down on the floor of the van with his hands and legs restrained even. Maybe he was a Jedi Master?

[New Skaaneland]

Are you sure he was black? Wasn't he gray?

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

They should put cameras inside police cars now.

Many police cars actually do have cameras installed in them, whether some of them work or are turned on is another story.

[Frasers]

I don't believe the new narrative that a homicide happened, I believe in the earlier story about how Freddie snapped his own neck by banging himself against the interior of the police car, maybe he was completely nuts.

That's basically physically impossible

I think Sean Hannity has it right, don't run away from police, don't make sudden movements, don't be rude, conform as much as possible, and generally the police won't wind up killing you.

Fuck that, don't justify murder

[AiliailiA]

I don't believe the new narrative that a homicide happened, I believe in the earlier story about how Freddie snapped his own neck by banging himself against the interior of the police car, maybe he was completely nuts.

That's unlikely.

I think Sean Hannity has it right, don't run away from police, don't make sudden movements, don't be rude, conform as much as possible, and generally the police won't wind up killing you.

Well that is disgusting. Also it contradicts the first part of your post (where you uphold that Freddie Gray killed himself).

Innocent people should not run from police, I agree. Innocent people should crowd around, and if they believe an innocent person is being arrested they should link arms and let the police arrest them all. More witnesses, better trial.

"Don't make sudden movements" is a reasonable command by a law officer. But until given that command, a citizen should have an absolute right to pull out their phone and start recording the proceedings. Suddenly. That a law enforcement officer would interpret that as drawing a deadly weapon is entirely an artifact of stupid US laws which allow citizens to carry a gun inside their clothing. In the UK, in France or Germany or Switzerland, even in Israel, suddenly reaching to a pocket and drawing something out would most likely be a phone or at worst a knife and absolutely no good reason for the officer to open fire.

"Don't be rude" is an absolutely terrible reason for police to kill someone. An innocent civilian treated with suspicion by police has every right to be rude. If police can't take rudeness, which isn't a crime when done by one citizen to another, then something is terribly wrong with your process to select who should serve as police. You're selecting shithead little bullies who can't hold their head up to common rudeness without resorting to violence. Then you're arming them and giving them legal immunity to commit actual crimes ... of which "being rude" is not one.

"Conform as much as possible" is partly right. Police do have power to give orders which citizens cannot give to another citizen. But it could also be wrong. If a cop tells you "point to the one who hit that guy, or I'll arrest you" it is possible to point to the one who hit that guy. But you're not legally required to, and nor should you be beaten by cops if you refuse.

You're usually wrong. But in this case you are most flagrantly wrong, and it's because you paid any attention to the rubbish Sean Hannity had to say.

[Ashmoria]

I don't believe the new narrative that a homicide happened, I believe in the earlier story about how Freddie snapped his own neck by banging himself against the interior of the police car, maybe he was completely nuts. I think Sean Hannity has it right, don't run away from police, don't make sudden movements, don't be rude, conform as much as possible, and generally the police won't wind up killing you.

they already addressed that. there was no evidence on the body that he was banging his head that way.

[Patridam]

Can you get the proper speed in Baltimore? I don't know the city.

Wouldn't there be bruising on the legs?

88 mph.

Can't tell if unsupported claim or reference to a certain serious shit-causing speed DeLoreans can't even reach.

[Ifreann]

I don't believe the new narrative that a homicide happened, I believe in the earlier story about how Freddie snapped his own neck by banging himself against the interior of the police car, maybe he was completely nuts.

I guess the medical examiners can't be expected to know as much about how Freddie Gray died as the infamous racist.

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I don't believe the new narrative that a homicide happened, I believe in the earlier story about how Freddie snapped his own neck by banging himself against the interior of the police car, maybe he was completely nuts.

That's unlikely.

I think Sean Hannity has it right, don't run away from police, don't make sudden movements, don't be rude, conform as much as possible, and generally the police won't wind up killing you.

Well that is disgusting. Also it contradicts the first part of your post (where you uphold that Freddie Gray killed himself).

Innocent people should not run from police, I agree. Innocent people should crowd around, and if they believe an innocent person is being arrested they should link arms and let the police arrest them all. More witnesses, better trial.

"Don't make sudden movements" is a reasonable command by a law officer. But until given that command, a citizen should have an absolute right to pull out their phone and start recording the proceedings. Suddenly. That a law enforcement officer would interpret that as drawing a deadly weapon is entirely an artifact of stupid US laws which allow citizens to carry a gun inside their clothing. In the UK, in France or Germany or Switzerland, even in Israel, suddenly reaching to a pocket and drawing something out would most likely be a phone or at worst a knife and absolutely no good reason for the officer to open fire...

That reminds me, where's the NRA? Freddie Gray was arrested for having a knife. Should the NRA not be up in arms, figuratively, about this? Do they not believe that the 2nd Amendment covers knives?

[Gauthier]

I don't believe the new narrative that a homicide happened, I believe in the earlier story about how Freddie snapped his own neck by banging himself against the interior of the police car, maybe he was completely nuts.

I guess the medical examiners can't be expected to know as much about how Freddie Gray died as the infamous racist.

Whitesplaining.

[Ashmoria]

That reminds me, where's the NRA? Freddie Gray was arrested for having a knife. Should the NRA not be up in arms, figuratively, about this? Do they not believe that the 2nd Amendment covers knives?

one of the charges is false imprisonment because the officers had no right to arrest gray for that knife. they claimed it was an illegal switchblade but it was just a folding pocket knife.

no NRA needed.

[Ifreann]

That reminds me, where's the NRA? Freddie Gray was arrested for having a knife. Should the NRA not be up in arms, figuratively, about this? Do they not believe that the 2nd Amendment covers knives?

one of the charges is false imprisonment because the officers had no right to arrest gray for that knife. they claimed it was an illegal switchblade but it was just a folding pocket knife.

no NRA needed.

Nor wanted, I'm sure, but their absence is conspicuous.

[Patridam]

That reminds me, where's the NRA? Freddie Gray was arrested for having a knife. Should the NRA not be up in arms, figuratively, about this? Do they not believe that the 2nd Amendment covers knives?

one of the charges is false imprisonment because the officers had no right to arrest gray for that knife. they claimed it was an illegal switchblade but it was just a folding pocket knife.

no NRA needed.

According to Maryland law, any spring-assisted knives are considered switchblades. Which means a folding pocket knife with a spring-assisted blade is technically illegal.

[Ashmoria]

one of the charges is false imprisonment because the officers had no right to arrest gray for that knife. they claimed it was an illegal switchblade but it was just a folding pocket knife.

no NRA needed.

According to Maryland law, any spring-assisted knives are considered switchblades. Which means a folding pocket knife with a spring-assisted blade is technically illegal.

yes. that is why the charge is what it is. it wasn't a switchblade by that definition.

[Fartsniffage]

one of the charges is false imprisonment because the officers had no right to arrest gray for that knife. they claimed it was an illegal switchblade but it was just a folding pocket knife.

no NRA needed.

According to Maryland law, any spring-assisted knives are considered switchblades. Which means a folding pocket knife with a spring-assisted blade is technically illegal.

Do tell us more about how you're better informed on the local laws in Balitmore than the prosecutor.....

[Dyakovo]

one of the charges is false imprisonment because the officers had no right to arrest gray for that knife. they claimed it was an illegal switchblade but it was just a folding pocket knife.

no NRA needed.

According to Maryland law, any spring-assisted knives are considered switchblades. Which means a folding pocket knife with a spring-assisted blade is technically illegal.

And the law that states this is?

[Ifreann]

According to Maryland law, any spring-assisted knives are considered switchblades. Which means a folding pocket knife with a spring-assisted blade is technically illegal.

Do tell us more about how you're better informed on the local laws in Balitmore than the prosecutor.....

I'd also like to hear more about Patridam's insights into Maryland law.

[Big Jim P]

one of the charges is false imprisonment because the officers had no right to arrest gray for that knife. they claimed it was an illegal switchblade but it was just a folding pocket knife.

no NRA needed.

Nor wanted, I'm sure, but their absence is conspicuous.

Why? Since when are knives firearms?

I cannot find a link ATM, but there is a similar group focusing on knife rights. THEY (and the Second Amendment Foundation) should be all over this.

[Big Jim P]

If the cops are found guilty, then they should suffer the full penalty of law.

Of course, if they are not convicted, Baltimore citizens should prepare for more rioting.

[Patridam]

According to Maryland law, any spring-assisted knives are considered switchblades. Which means a folding pocket knife with a spring-assisted blade is technically illegal.

yes. that is why the charge is what it is. it wasn't a switchblade by that definition.

So, non-spring assisted? Then the charge is rightly justified.

[Ashmoria]

yes. that is why the charge is what it is. it wasn't a switchblade by that definition.

So, non-spring assisted? Then the charge is rightly justified.

yup.

[Patridam]

So, non-spring assisted? Then the charge is rightly justified.

yup.

A lot of the news towards the beginning implied that it was at least spring-assisted, but I guess it wasn't. I don't suppose you have a source though, not that I doubt it given that the prosecution couldn't file that charge if it was spring-assisted.

However that particular charge probably won't be extremely tough for the defendants to fight considering how archaic and rather poorly-defined those old laws are. They might be able to chalk that up to a misunderstanding of the law itself...

[Dyakovo]

According to Maryland law, any spring-assisted knives are considered switchblades. Which means a folding pocket knife with a spring-assisted blade is technically illegal.

Do tell us more about how you're better informed on the local laws in Balitmore than the prosecutor.....

Don't worry, if he fails to, I'm sure someone else will step up.