Baltimore Calmer; 6 Officers Indicted

[Teemant]

Pigs? It takes a lot of "courage" to call somebody a pig behind computer.

Calling murderers names doesn't take much courage, admittedly.

They aren't convicted murders.

[Patridam]

And what message would they be sending by failing to file charges? That the state would rather defy rioters AND peaceful protesters than potentially convict murderers?

Most of the time protesters don't want justice or neutral and honest investigation because they refuse to accept result that they don't like.

I can imagine that since the charges are so ill-fitting and that there is inconclusive evidence for both sides, they'll be found innocent, and then the rioters will throw an even bigger tantrum.

[Ifreann]

And what message would they be sending by failing to file charges? That the state would rather defy rioters AND peaceful protesters than potentially convict murderers?

Most of the time protesters don't want justice or neutral and honest investigation because they refuse to accept result that they don't like.

Here that, everyone? Teemant is a mind reader.

[Patridam]

Except for multiple counts of assault, burglary, trespassing, destruction of property, illegal gambling, and escaping police custody.

Read what I wrote. I was referring to the marijuana charges when I said 'he may have done nothing illegal whatsoever'.

You said "Had Freddie Gray been a citizen of Colorado, he may have done nothing illegal whatsoever." Nowhere does that statement specify his marijuana charges, but if you're shifting the goalposts now, his intent to manufacture charge may still have stood as a issue of lacking a proper license or something similar.

[Scomagia]

Calling murderers names doesn't take much courage, admittedly.

They aren't convicted murders.

I didn't say they were.

[Patridam]

Most of the time protesters don't want justice or neutral and honest investigation because they refuse to accept result that they don't like.

Here that, everyone? Teemant is a mind reader.

No, he just has an understanding of history.

[Teemant]

They aren't convicted murders.

I didn't say they were.

You said murderers.

[Patridam]

They aren't convicted murders.

I didn't say they were.

I take it 'Innocent until proven guilty' means nothing to you?

[Ifreann]

Here that, everyone? Teemant is a mind reader.

No, he just has an understanding of history.

Is that so? Then he can support his assertion with facts.

[Republic of Mezoamerican States]

It usually ends well for the National Guard.

Well, of course. Being an attack dog of The State comes with lots of benefits.

Yeah,
like being pulled away from your job and family and ordered to stand in a street and be pelted with rocks and bottles and go into battle against your fellow countrymen.

What a perk.

[Ifreann]

Read what I wrote. I was referring to the marijuana charges when I said 'he may have done nothing illegal whatsoever'.

You said "Had Freddie Gray been a citizen of Colorado, he may have done nothing illegal whatsoever." Nowhere does that statement specify his marijuana charges, but if you're shifting the goalposts now, his intent to manufacture charge may still have stood as a issue of lacking a proper license or something similar.

I'm gonna say for a third time now that this is ultimately irrelevant. No degree or amount of criminality on Freddie Gray's part would make his death, whatever the cause of it, acceptable.

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Most of the time protesters don't want justice or neutral and honest investigation because they refuse to accept result that they don't like.

I can imagine that since the charges are so ill-fitting and that there is inconclusive evidence for both sides, they'll be found innocent, and then the rioters will throw an even bigger tantrum.

Please explain what is so ill-fitting/inappropriate/inaccurate/unreasonable about these charges.

[Uxupox]

Well, of course. Being an attack dog of The State comes with lots of benefits.

Yeah,
like being pulled away from your job and family and ordered to stand in a street and be pelted with rocks and bottles and go into battle against your fellow countrymen.

What a perk.

So I'm reduced to being an attack dog of the state? I take offense to that. :\.

[Scomagia]

I didn't say they were.

I take it 'Innocent until proven guilty' means nothing to you?

I didn't say that either. Reading comprehension really isn't your strong suit, is it?

[Teemant]

No, he just has an understanding of history.

Is that so? Then he can support his assertion with facts.

Didn't same thing happen after Ferguson case when people disagreed with grand jury decision?

[Scomagia]

Yeah,
like being pulled away from your job and family and ordered to stand in a street and be pelted with rocks and bottles and go into battle against your fellow countrymen.

What a perk.

So I'm reduced to being an attack dog of the state? I take offense to that. :\.

You aren't because I'm pretty sure they don't let teens like yourself into the National Guard.

[Napkiraly]

How are they "rewarding rioting"?

Seems like they're doing exactly what they should have been doing from the beginning.

They're pursuing higher charges than appropriate (murder instead of criminal negligence) to satisfy the bloodlust of the rioters.

Only one of them has been charged with murder (second degree-depraved heart). The others are manslaughter and involuntary manslaughter. Which, if the 'rough ride' theory is true in Gray's case, would be appropriate charges.

[Scomagia]

I didn't say they were.

You said murderers.

I didn't say convicted murderers. In my estimation they are guilty of murder, though they still deserve a full trial.

[Teemant]

I take it 'Innocent until proven guilty' means nothing to you?

I didn't say that either. Reading comprehension really isn't your strong suit, is it?

Calling murderers names doesn't take much courage, admittedly.

I think it is pretty clear what you said and meant here.

[Patridam]

I take it 'Innocent until proven guilty' means nothing to you?

I didn't say that either. Reading comprehension really isn't your strong suit, is it?

You called them murderers. They cannot be called murders until convicted of murder by a court of their peers. Accused murders, or suspected murderers, perhaps, but not 'murderers. Even the US media knows and abides by that.

[Bogdanov Vishniac]

like being pulled away from your job and family and ordered to stand in a street and be pelted with rocks and bottles and go into battle against your fellow countrymen.

That is the job of the National Guard. This is what they get paid to do - respond to calls for aid from state governments and provide assistance in tackling natural or man-made states of emergency. If they don't like that they might have to go in harm's way, whether it be in trying to navigate collapsed buildings in an earthquake or evacuate people in the face of a hurricane or riots in Baltimore, they should find a job that doesn't involve being on the front lines of dangerous situations.

[Ifreann]

Is that so? Then he can support his assertion with facts.

Didn't same thing happen after Ferguson case when people disagreed with grand jury decision?

As I recall people disagreed with the grand jury decision because of how the prosecutor handled the thing. And in any case, one instance does not demonstrate a historical trend, so I hope you have more up your sleeve than that.

[Neutraligon]

Didn't same thing happen after Ferguson case when people disagreed with grand jury decision?

As I recall people disagreed with the grand jury decision because of how the prosecutor handled the thing. And in any case, one instance does not demonstrate a historical trend, so I hope you have more up your sleeve than that.

Indeed, considering most considered the grand jury and the investigation a farce.... No it was worse then that since the actions actually harmed the cop.

[United Marxist Nations]

They're pursuing higher charges than appropriate (murder instead of criminal negligence) to satisfy the bloodlust of the rioters.

Or they're pursuing murder charges because these pigs are murders.

I wouldn't go that far yet; the reason for such a heavy charge is that you're supposed to indict on all possible charges, and the trial show the guilty charges. At least I think that is correct.

Edit: What those charges are and if they're directed at the right people, I can't say.

[Novorobo]

http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/6-baltimore-officers-to-face-murder-charges-in-gray-case/ar-BBj21Gr?ocid=mailsignoutmd

Isn't rewarding rioting only going to cause more of it in the long run? Seeing as how you're, you know, sending the message that rioting is effective at getting what you want?

And what message would they be sending by failing to file charges? That the state would rather defy rioters AND peaceful protesters than potentially convict murderers?

That's why they should've charged them BEFORE riots broke out.

EDIT: That and the murder part may have been pushing it, that too. The question is what would we rather have more of in the long run; cops who are a little less brutal toward suspects in crimes, or citizens who are a lot less likely to loot places that had nothing to do with what they're protesting?

[Jamzmania]

As I recall people disagreed with the grand jury decision because of how the prosecutor handled the thing. And in any case, one instance does not demonstrate a historical trend, so I hope you have more up your sleeve than that.

Indeed, considering most considered the grand jury and the investigation a farce.... No it was worse then that since the actions actually harmed the cop.

Most left wing loons, maybe. Most reasonable people understand the grand jury made a fair decision considering the available evidence.