Baltimore Calmer; 6 Officers Indicted

[Novus America]

These demonstrations are getting out of hand. Gangs are using it as an opportunity to loot the city and declare war on the police. Just imagine how many are either dead or injured by now. If these keeps up, the next thing in the news about Baltimore will be the 101st Airborne parachuting into the city.

Twenty officers injured. One person critically injured in a fire, no reports regarding other civilian casualties. No deaths reported to date.

It's a bad situation, to be sure, but you're actually managing to make it sound more apocalyptic than it is. By all accounts, things are calming a bit.

I was in the city today. It is very calm today, the National Guard has things under control.

[Lyrian Oligarchic Royal Empire]

Posse comitatus.

You realize that act was written to protect the KKK? Look up the sordid history of posse comitatus.

But either way the under the Insurrection Act, (10 USC 331-335) you can send in the 101st in cases.

Though technically they are air assault, they fast rope from helicopters now instead of parachuting in.

Oh and...

The "Little Rock Nine" were a group of African-American students who were enrolled in Little Rock Central High School in September 1957, as a result of the U.S. Supreme Court's ruling in the historic Brown v. Board of Education case. Elements of the division's 1st Airborne Battle Group, 327th Infantry were ordered to Little Rock by President Eisenhower to escort the students into the formerly segregated school during the crisis. The division was under the command of Major General Edwin Walker, who was committed to protecting the black students.[15] The troops were deployed from September until Thanksgiving 1957, when Task Force 153rd Infantry, (federalized Arkansas Army National Guard) which had also been on duty at the school since 24 September, assumed the responsibility.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/101st_Airb ... n#Post-War

This is another example of how posse comitatus is used AGAINST civil rights. Which is what it was designed to do of course.

It is still the law of the land. While it was written to protect the KKK, it also has the effect of protecting the citizens of the US in total.

There is a reason the police and military are separate entities.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

I fucking hate that people are even considering justifying the rioting.

I fucking hate it that people are even considering justifying the conditions that predictably led to rioting.

[Ragnarum]

Rioting is the last resort of the powerless. It is the anger and rage of those who feel they have been neglected and denied the rights they deserve and shouldn't have to beg for. And in this case, its the imprisonment of thousands upon thousands of young black men on drug trials in which their very skin color makes them a target, the police brutality and bias they face on a nearly daily basis, the poverty and lack of a future to look forward to 50 years after King hoped it would come.

Yeah, and that's a perfectly good reason to burn some random fucking strangers stuff to the ground isn't it? No.

And yet, white people feel threatened and "discriminated" when those who dare to speak out do so. They care for the destruction of property instead of the destruction of lives on a daily basis. When all options have run their course, violence is the last resort. And clearly, the last straw has been reached.

Well, when people single out an entire race and mush them all into one so they can indiscriminately burn fucking everything, yeah, you would feel slightly pissed.

[Novus America]

But there was more than discussion, we also have had action. They have replaced much of the leadership, overhauled the hiring process, and punished several corrupt cops.

And to use your analogy, maybe there is a reason the doctor is not focusing on you. He also has to care for his 20 other patients, some of whom might have priority over you. It sucks, but you have to look a the whole picture, not just you. The doctor cannot and should not focus just on you.

Do you have a source or report on actions that have been taken? That would probably help me gain greater insight into your perspective.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryla ... html#page=

We had this same issue with the California thread. You are looking a things from Los Angles, I am looking at things from Glen Burnie. The national media always over sensationalizes things.

[Ragnarum]

I fucking hate that people are even considering justifying the rioting.

I fucking hate it that people are even considering justifying the conditions that predictably led to rioting.

Ok. Nothing to do with my views, but whatever.
I don't know anything about the situation beforehand, but as far as I am concerned, burning shit belonging to nobody in particular is not good.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Rioting is the last resort of the powerless. It is the anger and rage of those who feel they have been neglected and denied the rights they deserve and shouldn't have to beg for. And in this case, its the imprisonment of thousands upon thousands of young black men on drug trials in which their very skin color makes them a target, the police brutality and bias they face on a nearly daily basis, the poverty and lack of a future to look forward to 50 years after King hoped it would come.

Yeah, and that's a perfectly good reason to burn some random fucking strangers stuff to the ground isn't it? No.

And yet, white people feel threatened and "discriminated" when those who dare to speak out do so. They care for the destruction of property instead of the destruction of lives on a daily basis. When all options have run their course, violence is the last resort. And clearly, the last straw has been reached.

Well, when people single out an entire race and mush them all into one so they can indiscriminately burn fucking everything, yeah, you would feel slightly pissed.

When all other options seem to have failed, and justice seems unreachable, sometimes all that people have left is a scream of rage and a desire to watch it all burn. I don't know about "justifiable". I do know, as I've repeatedly stated here, that riots have been shown to draw massive attention to previous cases where there was a culture of abusive behavior within police departments when other options have proven unsuccessful or not sufficient.

[Novsvacro]

It's about goddamn time people start revolting. This is a first step towards real class consciousness and eventual revolution.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

I fucking hate it that people are even considering justifying the conditions that predictably led to rioting.

Ok. Nothing to do with my views, but whatever.
I don't know anything about the situation beforehand, but as far as I am concerned, burning shit belonging to nobody in particular is not good.

If you don't know anything about the situation beforehand (despite the fact that I made a concerted effort to address it in the OP, an effort that was obviously wasted on you), then you're not in a position to give an informed opinion.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

It's about goddamn time people start revolting. This is a first step towards real class consciousness and eventual revolution.

If that didn't happen with the larger riots in the 60s, I'm skeptical of it happening now.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

It's about goddamn time people start revolting. This is a first step towards real class consciousness and eventual revolution.

Exactly. The government isn't going to give up its power peacefully.

[New Decius]

It's about goddamn time people start revolting. This is a first step towards real class consciousness and eventual revolution.

Exactly. The government isn't going to give up its power peacefully.

Yes and they have various tools to back up their power and keep it like the Army, Navy, and Air Force

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Exactly. The government isn't going to give up its power peacefully.

Yes and they have various tools to back up their power and keep it like the Army, Navy, and Air Force

Yes?

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Do you have a source or report on actions that have been taken? That would probably help me gain greater insight into your perspective.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryla ... html#page=

We had this same issue with the California thread. You are looking a things from Los Angles, I am looking at things from Glen Burnie. The national media always over sensationalizes things.

Thank you for the source. It does look like things were improving. Unfortunately, it seems that the damage was already done, and it was too little, too late.

[Novus America]

You realize that act was written to protect the KKK? Look up the sordid history of posse comitatus.

But either way the under the Insurrection Act, (10 USC 331-335) you can send in the 101st in cases.

Though technically they are air assault, they fast rope from helicopters now instead of parachuting in.

Oh and...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/101st_Airb ... n#Post-War

This is another example of how posse comitatus is used AGAINST civil rights. Which is what it was designed to do of course.

It is still the law of the land. While it was written to protect the KKK, it also has the effect of protecting the citizens of the US in total.

There is a reason the police and military are separate entities.

It actually does more harm than good. The military has a much better history with these things than the local police. You are far more likely to have problems with the local police. The local police denying your rights is more likely than the military doing so.

The reason we have it is too protect the KKK. In the 1870s the military did great work protecting civil rights. But we could not have that when blacks needed suppressing by racist local officials. Posse comitatus was designed to suppress, not protect rights. I think it should be repealed, after all the military was successfully used to support police for 100 YEARS before it was passed. I am sorry, I cannot get down with the KKK protection act.

But yes it is still the law of the land.

Still under the insurrection act you can send in the 101st when conditions permit, as we did in little rock. In this case would not be necessary now as the Maryland National Guard has things under control.

[Ragnarum]

Ok. Nothing to do with my views, but whatever.
I don't know anything about the situation beforehand, but as far as I am concerned, burning shit belonging to nobody in particular is not good.

If you don't know anything about the situation beforehand (despite the fact that I made a concerted effort to address it in the OP, an effort that was obviously wasted on you), then you're not in a position to give an informed opinion.

Tell me about the fucking situation beforehand then. Go on. Then describe in detail as to why it is justified to vandalise random peoples property.

Honestly, I don't give a toss about the rest of the situation. I don't care how badly people feel they have been treated, take it out on those responsible and not people who have fuck all to do with it.

[Blasveck]

Rioting is the last resort of the powerless. It is the anger and rage of those who feel they have been neglected and denied the rights they deserve and shouldn't have to beg for. And in this case, its the imprisonment of thousands upon thousands of young black men on drug trials in which their very skin color makes them a target, the police brutality and bias they face on a nearly daily basis, the poverty and lack of a future to look forward to 50 years after King hoped it would come.

Yeah, and that's a perfectly good reason to burn some random fucking strangers stuff to the ground isn't it? No.

And yet, white people feel threatened and "discriminated" when those who dare to speak out do so. They care for the destruction of property instead of the destruction of lives on a daily basis. When all options have run their course, violence is the last resort. And clearly, the last straw has been reached.

Well, when people single out an entire race and mush them all into one so they can indiscriminately burn fucking everything, yeah, you would feel slightly pissed.

I see you've skimmed my assertion about property.

For shame.

Good to know you've proved my point. You may feel pissed, but you have absolutely no understanding of how these people feel, nor are you expected to. But if you don't understand, please, at least sit down and try to learn something.

[Cyrisnia]

It's about goddamn time people start revolting. This is a first step towards real class consciousness and eventual revolution.

Revolution?
goodluckwiththat.jpg

[Lyrian Oligarchic Royal Empire]

It is still the law of the land. While it was written to protect the KKK, it also has the effect of protecting the citizens of the US in total.

There is a reason the police and military are separate entities.

It actually does more harm than good. The military has a much better history with these things than the local police. You are far more likely to have problems with the local police. The local police denying your rights is more likely than the military doing so.

The reason we have it is too protect the KKK. In the 1870s the military did great work protecting civil rights. But we could not have that when blacks needed suppressing by racist local officials. Posse comitatus was designed to suppress, not protect rights. I think it should be repealed, after all the military was successfully used to support police for 100 YEARS before it was passed. I am sorry, I cannot get down with the KKK protection act.

But yes it is still the law of the land.

Still under the insurrection act you can send in the 101st when conditions permit, as we did in little rock. In this case would not be necessary now as the Maryland National Guard has things under control.

Yes, because everyone wants the people responsible for Abu Gharib to be involved in something involving racial-cultural relations.

Good call.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

If you don't know anything about the situation beforehand (despite the fact that I made a concerted effort to address it in the OP, an effort that was obviously wasted on you), then you're not in a position to give an informed opinion.

Tell me about the fucking situation beforehand then. Go on. Then describe in detail as to why it is justified to vandalise random peoples property.

Honestly, I don't give a toss about the rest of the situation. I don't care how badly people feel they have been treated, take it out on those responsible and not people who have fuck all to do with it.

If you don't care about how people have been treated, or why they might be tempted to take such rash and destructive actions, then what would be the point of "telling (you) about the fucking situation beforehand"?

[Novus America]

It's about goddamn time people start revolting. This is a first step towards real class consciousness and eventual revolution.

Things in America are not that bad, we are one of the best countries in the world. I would not want to live anywhere else. We are not Pakistan. Yes things need fixing, and we could be much better. But we have a mostly great system with some serious problems. Fixing the problems, not tearing down the system (thereby creating more problems) is the solution.

And people are not revolting. Just a few hundred criminals are being criminals.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

It's about goddamn time people start revolting. This is a first step towards real class consciousness and eventual revolution.

Things in America are not that bad, we are one of the best countries in the world. I would not want to live anywhere else. We are not Pakistan. Yes things need fixing, and we could be much better. But we have a mostly great system with some serious problems. Fixing the problems, not tearing down the system (thereby creating more problems) is the solution.

And people are not revolting. Just a few hundred criminals are being criminals.

The system needs to be torn down, burned, and stomped until it stops breathing.

[Ragnarum]

I see you've skimmed my assertion about property.

For shame.

Good to know you've proved my point. You may feel pissed, but you have absolutely no understanding of how these people feel, nor are you expected to. But if you don't understand, please, at least sit down and try to learn something.

No, I didn't, actually. I find it kind of disgusting that you would justify attacks on property owned by people completely unrelated to these issues at hand.

Good to know you've proved my point

I haven't proved any of your points simply by disagreeing with you.

but you have absolutely no understanding of how these people feel

Trust me, I can imagine. Problem is, I don't care how they feel if they behave like this towards random civilians.

But if you don't understand, please, at least sit down and try to learn something.

Oh, go ahead. 'Educate' me.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Things in America are not that bad, we are one of the best countries in the world. I would not want to live anywhere else. We are not Pakistan. Yes things need fixing, and we could be much better. But we have a mostly great system with some serious problems. Fixing the problems, not tearing down the system (thereby creating more problems) is the solution.

And people are not revolting. Just a few hundred criminals are being criminals.

The system needs to be torn down, burned, and stomped until it stops breathing.

And replaced with what exactly?

[Yumyumsuppertime]

It's about goddamn time people start revolting. This is a first step towards real class consciousness and eventual revolution.

Things in America are not that bad, we are one of the best countries in the world. I would not want to live anywhere else. We are not Pakistan. Yes things need fixing, and we could be much better. But we have a mostly great system with some serious problems. Fixing the problems, not tearing down the system (thereby creating more problems) is the solution.

And people are not revolting. Just a few hundred criminals are being criminals.

For once, I find myself a relative moderate between two points of view. Interesting place to be.