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Postby Promethius Prime » Sat Apr 25, 2015 5:44 pm

Everyone knows that vaccines are made from the same stuff McDonald's uses to make its chicken nuggets. Conclusion? Don't vaccinate your children, feed them chicken nuggets instead.

In seriousness though the reason we live in a world where ordinary people can say things like 'Measles is harmless' is because we vaccinate against it. Yes you're right, measles is harmless, in a vaccinated society. But you shouldn't just look at it from your own point of view, you should think of it from the view of children as a whole; the overall percentage that any professional has claimed get autism is in the decimals, whereas the numbers of children protected from MMR are in the millions - so even if vaccination did cause autism out of every 100,000 children vaccinated 1 would get it and all 100,000 would benefit from the vaccination. Seems like a pretty solid payoff to me even if this were the case, which it isn't.

The fact is there is no verifiable evidence accepted by the medical profession as a whole, let alone the WHO, which points to vaccination causing autism. As someone else in this thread said already (I apologise but I forget who) the rising rates of autism are due to improved methods of detecting the condition and not an actual rise overall. Any sociologist worth their salt will tell you that as new factors of society are discovered you will see a 'rise' in cases until such factors are fully understood.

Additionally claiming that something like a vaccination will cause autism shows a woeful lack of knowledge as to how psychological disorders like autism work and how the brain functions. Is it conceivably possible that something we inject into ourselves once will radically and permanently alter our brain chemistry? Of course. Is it likely? No. Take the effects of drugs like heroin; it takes prolonged usage over a period of time to cause significant permanent damage to brain function and though I certainly don't advocate injecting yourself with heroin even once, one injection is highly unlikely to cause autism or anything else of a permanent nature.

So why is it that so many parents complain that their child has developed autism after being vaccinated? Well its a simple misconception which many people are guilty of and it includes the mistake of muddling up causation with correlation. 'My child was diagnosed with autism today, they were vaccinated last year. That must be the cause.' Actually the chance of diagnosis of autism following vaccination is high because of the age of children when they are vaccinated and not because of a link between vaccination and autism itself. Children are still in a relatively early stage of psychological development when they are vaccinated and using current methods it is difficult to conclusively diagnose a child with autism when they are that young. In fact many medical professionals are highly reluctant to diagnose a child with autism or any other mental illness without overwhelming evidence even once they have reached the age of 12, yet by the age of 12 most children will have been vaccinated for multiple things.

Let's use an example that I personally have observed; a child was brought to a pediatric psychologist at the age of 6 after comments and complaints about their unusual behaviour at school. The parents have no mental health issues themselves, however there is a history on the father's side of depression, bipolar and autism - however despite this history and a glut of evidence from the school no diagnosis will immediately be given. Instead the specialist chooses to observe the child over a period of time, going to the school from time to time to run tests on behaviour and thought patterns. However since no significant issues arise no diagnosis is given and no action is taken. Seven years later the child begins puberty and significant behavioural issues are noted; once against they are taken to a specialist who assesses them, they speculate that there may be evidence of autism, however due to the onset of puberty the child is not diagnosed as it could simply be the chemical fluctuations characteristic of this period of a person's development which are causing the issues. Another four years pass and the child is brought to the specialists again after suffering severe insomnia and mood swings which are interfering with their ability to achieve at school despite their clear intellect; only now are specialists readily willing to diagnose autism and in this case bipolar disorder.

Now the diagnosis came after all of the child's vaccines had been administered, the last when they were 15, but if we look at the child's history we see clearly that the problems existed long before all vaccinations were given. The fact that diagnosis and periods of assessment came at times when the child would have been vaccinated has nothing to do with the vaccination, but rather the developmental process as the child grows up. Vaccines are administered at crucial points in a child's development, points when things are in flux physically and mentally; diagnosis of autism and such like is naturally going to correlate with these developmental stages as a result.

Of course the scenario I have shared is not uniform of every case, and children do develop at different rates; but if one observes the developmental patterns of the child then one can usually see a clear correlation between times when behavioural problems are assessed and critical developmental stages in the child.
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Postby The Klishi Islands » Sat Apr 25, 2015 7:25 pm

Thanks for the link. It's been added to my factbook in my sig. I wanted a recent study, and here one is :clap:
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Postby Bachmann America » Sun Apr 26, 2015 6:26 pm

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Bachmann America wrote:Vaccines are are often don't working, are full of dangerous harmful chemicals, and are very serious in side effects, such as autism in the worst cases. No child deserves autism.



Why are we assuming Autism is a bad thing?
I have it, and by and large, its starting to be seen as just a different brain wiring than a disorder.

WTF? autism is a sad and terrible disease, I have seen its effects first hand. I would never wish it on anyone not even my worst enemys.

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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Sun Apr 26, 2015 6:27 pm

Independent State AF wrote:
Bachmann America wrote:Vaccines are are often don't working, are full of dangerous harmful chemicals, and are very serious in side effects, such as autism in the worst cases. No child deserves autism.



Why are we assuming Autism is a bad thing?
I have it, and by and large, its starting to be seen as just a different brain wiring than a disorder.

I... don't think this is how it needs to be looked at. I know several people with mild autism and my brother has very, very severe autism. And I don't think it's something that needs to be... accepted? Not the right word. Regardless, we should love and respect anyone with it just as much as anyone else, but we definitely need to try and find a way to prevent/cure/whatever it.
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Postby Furry Alairia and Algeria » Sun Apr 26, 2015 6:29 pm

Bachmann America wrote:
Independent State AF wrote:

Why are we assuming Autism is a bad thing?
I have it, and by and large, its starting to be seen as just a different brain wiring than a disorder.

WTF? autism is a sad and terrible disease, I have seen its effects first hand. I would never wish it on anyone not even my worst enemys.

Then why oppose something that is biologically impossible to even cause autism.
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Postby Seno Zhou Varada » Sun Apr 26, 2015 6:32 pm

Bachmann America wrote:
Independent State AF wrote:

Why are we assuming Autism is a bad thing?
I have it, and by and large, its starting to be seen as just a different brain wiring than a disorder.

WTF? autism is a sad and terrible disease, I have seen its effects first hand. I would never wish it on anyone not even my worst enemys.

Enemies not enemys. Also again vaccines do not cause Autism as shown by professionals here.
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Postby Nobodynation » Sun Apr 26, 2015 7:43 pm

A great day for pro-vaccine shills for big pharma, the illuminati, Reptilians and the new world order /poe.

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Postby AiliailiA » Sun Apr 26, 2015 7:49 pm

Nobodynation wrote:A great day for pro-vaccine shills for big pharma, the illuminati, Reptilians and the new world order /poe.


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Your first post is about vaccines. That would be a coincidence I'm sure.
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Postby Courlany » Sun Apr 26, 2015 7:51 pm

Lol, does someone think vaccines cause autism? Don't get title of this post. Is this another American construct, like UFOs, aliens/pyramid construction, and anti-moon landings?

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Postby Romalae » Sun Apr 26, 2015 7:52 pm

Courlany wrote:Lol, does someone think vaccines cause autism? Don't get title of this post. Is this another American construct, like UFOs, aliens/pyramid construction, and anti-moon landings?

To be fair, the Andrew Wakefield guy who started this shit was British, not American.
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Postby Courlany » Sun Apr 26, 2015 7:54 pm

Oh! Which one did he start?!?

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Postby AiliailiA » Sun Apr 26, 2015 8:00 pm

Courlany wrote:Oh! Which one did he start?!?


Andrew Wakefield.

In my opinion we should surgically implant Wikipedia in children. After vaccination and before pre-school.
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Postby Romalae » Sun Apr 26, 2015 8:04 pm

Courlany wrote:Oh! Which one did he start?!?

The idea that vaccines cause autism.
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Postby Courlany » Sun Apr 26, 2015 8:06 pm

Ah! Wakefield. I remember reading about his paper and the routing he got for his discredited methodology. Last year watched BBC Horizons documentary outlining the damage he caused.

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Postby Wisconsin9 » Sun Apr 26, 2015 8:14 pm

Bachmann America wrote:
Independent State AF wrote:

Why are we assuming Autism is a bad thing?
I have it, and by and large, its starting to be seen as just a different brain wiring than a disorder.

WTF? autism is a sad and terrible disease, I have seen its effects first hand. I would never wish it on anyone not even my worst enemys.

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Postby Independent State AF » Sun Apr 26, 2015 8:35 pm

Bachmann America wrote:
Independent State AF wrote:

Why are we assuming Autism is a bad thing?
I have it, and by and large, its starting to be seen as just a different brain wiring than a disorder.

WTF? autism is a sad and terrible disease, I have seen its effects first hand. I would never wish it on anyone not even my worst enemys.



Ohh and pray tell, what are its effects? Tread lightly, for you have stepped into a mine-field.
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Postby Kubra » Sun Apr 26, 2015 9:12 pm

Bachmann America wrote:
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Why are we assuming Autism is a bad thing?
I have it, and by and large, its starting to be seen as just a different brain wiring than a disorder.

WTF? autism is a sad and terrible disease, I have seen its effects first hand. I would never wish it on anyone not even my worst enemys.
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Mon Apr 27, 2015 12:18 am

Kubra wrote:
Bachmann America wrote:WTF? autism is a sad and terrible disease, I have seen its effects first hand. I would never wish it on anyone not even my worst enemys.
would you wish death on them

Bear in mind I do not look kindly upon anybody who wishes anybody death by measles. Least of all those wishing death on toddlers. I'm still surprised at how some people have managed to get over their natural visceral disgust of harming toddlers.
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Postby The Alexanderians » Mon Apr 27, 2015 12:49 am

Darn now where will I get my Autism?
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Postby -Ebola- » Mon Apr 27, 2015 12:58 am

Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:
Kubra wrote: would you wish death on them

Bear in mind I do not look kindly upon anybody who wishes anybody death by measles. Least of all those wishing death on toddlers. I'm still surprised at how some people have managed to get over their natural visceral disgust of harming toddlers.


Maybe it's because I don't have viscera.
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Postby Esternial » Mon Apr 27, 2015 1:10 am

Bachmann America wrote:
Independent State AF wrote:

Why are we assuming Autism is a bad thing?
I have it, and by and large, its starting to be seen as just a different brain wiring than a disorder.

WTF? autism is a sad and terrible disease, I have seen its effects first hand. I would never wish it on anyone not even my worst enemys.

Part of that is people like you that treat these people like they're utterly sick in the head.

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Postby Nobodynation » Mon Apr 27, 2015 1:29 am

Ailiailia wrote:
Nobodynation wrote:A great day for pro-vaccine shills for big pharma, the illuminati, Reptilians and the new world order /poe.


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Your first post is about vaccines. That would be a coincidence I'm sure.

You're mistaken its a coincidence. Ask a mod my IP address is different and the other poster is probably from a whole different country. First post and epic coincidence though.

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Ailiailia wrote:
Bachmann America logged out at 2:22 UTC.
Nobodynation was founded at 2:31 UTC.

Your first post is about vaccines. That would be a coincidence I'm sure.

You're mistaken its a coincidence. Ask a mod my IP address is different and the other poster is probably from a whole different country. First post and epic coincidence though.


No point in asking a mod, that's not something they disclose.

Well we'll see. You're not an anti-vaxxer for real are you?
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Postby Austria-Bohemia-Hungary » Mon Apr 27, 2015 2:00 am

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Austria-Bohemia-Hungary wrote:Bear in mind I do not look kindly upon anybody who wishes anybody death by measles. Least of all those wishing death on toddlers. I'm still surprised at how some people have managed to get over their natural visceral disgust of harming toddlers.


Maybe it's because I don't have viscera.

Silly vires. You are not people as in any of the Homo genus. You get exempted.
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Postby Vassenor » Mon Apr 27, 2015 2:01 am

Bachmann America wrote:WTF? autism is a sad and terrible disease, I have seen its effects first hand. I would never wish it on anyone not even my worst enemys.


As someone who has to live with it for the whole of my life I question the veracity of your statement.

I wouldn't wish it on people, but it doesn't actually affect me that much at all.
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