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Confederate Ramenia
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Postby Confederate Ramenia » Tue Apr 21, 2015 6:56 pm

Arana wrote:
United Russian Soviet States wrote:You are white. You do not understand our culture.

So are the majority of Republicans. ;)

And the majority of Democrats and virtually any large political group in the US. Though most Republicans do not understand Hispanic culture, many are from white cultures which seem very similar
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Postby Royal Hindustan » Tue Apr 21, 2015 6:57 pm

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Royal Hindustan wrote:While I agree with the low standards of health and safety at workplaces, I do not agree with the widespread poverty. During the Gilded Age, yes there was great income equality, but that does not necessarily mean people were poor. During the Gilded Age, the average income for the American increased, just the fact that it did not increase as drastically compared to rich men. While the Gilded Age was definitely not ideal, it wasn't as bad as Mao's Great Leap Forward, which under the banner of communism, killed 60 million people.

Except that wasn't communism.

Explain the millions of communes then.

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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Tue Apr 21, 2015 6:57 pm

United Russian Soviet States wrote:
Arana wrote:Really? Most conservative Hispanics are from Cuba, due to dissatisfaction with the Castro regime.

So, why support a political party that's more than just a little racist against Hispanics?

The GOP is not racist. They promote our cultural values.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

...are you fucking serious? The GOP doesn't give a fuck about you. Hell, it only gives a little bit of a fuck about me.
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Tue Apr 21, 2015 6:58 pm

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Prussia-Steinbach wrote:Except that wasn't communism.

Explain the millions of communes then.

You honestly believe Maoist China was communist?
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Postby United Russian Soviet States » Tue Apr 21, 2015 6:59 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
United Russian Soviet States wrote:The GOP is not racist. They promote our cultural values.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

...are you fucking serious? The GOP doesn't give a fuck about you. Hell, it only gives a little bit of a fuck about me.

I am serious. The GOP respects our culture unlike the Democrats who want to own us.
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Postby Royal Hindustan » Tue Apr 21, 2015 6:59 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
United Russian Soviet States wrote:The GOP is not racist. They promote our cultural values.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

...are you fucking serious? The GOP doesn't give a fuck about you. Hell, it only gives a little bit of a fuck about me.

Many immigrants do support the GOP. I support the libertarians all the way, but if given a choice between two, I would pick the Republicans over Democrats.

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Postby Royal Hindustan » Tue Apr 21, 2015 6:59 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
Royal Hindustan wrote:Explain the millions of communes then.

You honestly believe Maoist China was communist?

Yes, so was Stalin and Lenin's USSR.

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Postby Pandeeria » Tue Apr 21, 2015 7:00 pm

United Russian Soviet States wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

...are you fucking serious? The GOP doesn't give a fuck about you. Hell, it only gives a little bit of a fuck about me.

I am serious. The GOP respects our culture unlike the Democrats who want to own us.


How so?
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.

In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???

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Postby United Russian Soviet States » Tue Apr 21, 2015 7:01 pm

Pandeeria wrote:
United Russian Soviet States wrote:I am serious. The GOP respects our culture unlike the Democrats who want to own us.


How so?

They respect our religious heritage.
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Postby Pandeeria » Tue Apr 21, 2015 7:01 pm

Royal Hindustan wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:You honestly believe Maoist China was communist?

Yes, so was Stalin and Lenin's USSR.


If you think the USSR was actually communist, perhaps more advanced forms of political ideologies just aren't for you.
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.

In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???

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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Tue Apr 21, 2015 7:02 pm

I'm leaving this thread before I get a fucking warning. Suffice it to say, you do not understand what communism/socialism/libertarianism/Christianity is. Call me delusional. I couldn't give any less fucks at this point. Talk to me again once you can buy cigarettes, read some political theory, and become homeless for a while.
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Postby Arana » Tue Apr 21, 2015 7:02 pm

Royal Hindustan wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:You honestly believe Maoist China was communist?

Yes, so was Stalin and Lenin's USSR.

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Postby Royal Hindustan » Tue Apr 21, 2015 7:03 pm

Pandeeria wrote:
Royal Hindustan wrote:Yes, so was Stalin and Lenin's USSR.


If you think the USSR was actually communist, perhaps more advanced forms of political ideologies just aren't for you.

Then what was the USSR? I bet you are going to say Dictatorship. Just for that, I give the example of political parties like the Bolsheviks.

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Postby The National Anarchist Oppressed Lands » Tue Apr 21, 2015 7:03 pm

United Russian Soviet States wrote:
Arana wrote:Really? Most conservative Hispanics are from Cuba, due to dissatisfaction with the Castro regime.

So, why support a political party that's more than just a little racist against Hispanics?

The GOP is not racist. They promote our cultural values.

What culture values? Whose cultural values?

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Postby Pandeeria » Tue Apr 21, 2015 7:03 pm

United Russian Soviet States wrote:
Pandeeria wrote:
How so?

They respect our religious heritage.


Of catholicism? What? 'Cause they want the US to be a pseudo-christian theocracy? Because they fight for your right to stomp on those that don't fit your heavily religiously-subjected moral compass?
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.

In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???

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Postby Confederate Ramenia » Tue Apr 21, 2015 7:03 pm

Pandeeria wrote:
United Russian Soviet States wrote:I am serious. The GOP respects our culture unlike the Democrats who want to own us.


How so?

Not agreeing with URSS, but many Democrats can be very condescending to minorities, treat them specially, and act like they are obligated to act (and vote) in certain ways. Often minority culture is disrespected by the same people who want to promote them. GOP can be the same way, and not all Democrats or GOPhers are that way.
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The Flutterlands wrote:Because human life and dignity is something that should be universally valued above all things in society.

Benito Mussolini wrote:Everybody has the right to create for himself his own ideology and to attempt to enforce it with all the energy of which he is capable.

I disown most of my previous posts

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Postby United Russian Soviet States » Tue Apr 21, 2015 7:04 pm

The National Anarchist Oppressed Lands wrote:
United Russian Soviet States wrote:The GOP is not racist. They promote our cultural values.

What culture values? Whose cultural values?

Our religious values.
Pandeeria wrote:
United Russian Soviet States wrote:They respect our religious heritage.


Of catholicism? What? 'Cause they want the US to be a pseudo-christian theocracy? Because they fight for your right to stomp on those that don't fit your heavily religiously-subjected moral compass?

That is correct.
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Postby Arana » Tue Apr 21, 2015 7:05 pm

Royal Hindustan wrote:
Pandeeria wrote:
If you think the USSR was actually communist, perhaps more advanced forms of political ideologies just aren't for you.

Then what was the USSR? I bet you are going to say Dictatorship. Just for that, I give the example of political parties like the Bolsheviks.

Dictatorships still have political parties. Nazi Germany was a dictatorship, run by the Nazi Party. The USSR was Stalinist. Stalinism is a form of socialism, which is a step in the process of achieving communism. And Stalinism is as far from communism as you can get while still being left wing.
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Arana wrote:Fuck you and your raps,
And all your stupid rhyming.
Haiku master race.

*Drops mic*
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Postby Pandeeria » Tue Apr 21, 2015 7:05 pm

Royal Hindustan wrote:
Pandeeria wrote:
If you think the USSR was actually communist, perhaps more advanced forms of political ideologies just aren't for you.

Then what was the USSR? I bet you are going to say Dictatorship. Just for that, I give the example of political parties like the Bolsheviks.


It was an oligarchic state obviously. The only form of tyranny that can truly be perpetuated is not through petty dictatorship but through the collective ideal of an oligarchical, total state.
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Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.

In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???

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Postby Nordengrund » Tue Apr 21, 2015 7:07 pm

As a Christian myself, I think we should not be too caught up in politics as I feel witnessing to others is more important.

I am not saying a Christian cannot have personal opinions with politics or get involved in it, we should not forget our calling as Christians.

I think you can defend both socialism and capitalism with Scripture. Jesus does teach that we should help the poor, however, like the OP, it should not be coerced.
Following Christ has to be a choice.

In the OT, we see all sorts of laws that support private property (if you stole from someone, you were punished for it.)

I think voluntary socialism is the most Christian.
Why I’m not a conservative.

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Postby Royal Hindustan » Tue Apr 21, 2015 7:08 pm

Arana wrote:
Royal Hindustan wrote:Then what was the USSR? I bet you are going to say Dictatorship. Just for that, I give the example of political parties like the Bolsheviks.

Dictatorships still have political parties. Nazi Germany was a dictatorship, run by the Nazi Party. The USSR was Stalinist. Stalinism is a form of socialism, which is a step in the process of achieving communism. And Stalinism is as far from communism as you can get while still being left wing.

In a dictatorship, a leader seizes power. A government in which an all powerful leader is elected from a party is not a dictatorship.

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Postby Kincoboh » Tue Apr 21, 2015 7:09 pm

United Russian Soviet States wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

...are you fucking serious? The GOP doesn't give a fuck about you. Hell, it only gives a little bit of a fuck about me.

I am serious. The GOP respects our culture unlike the Democrats who want to own us.

No, the GOP does not respect your culture. Look at that Arizona law, a clearly racist law. The Democrats are no better really because they support economic policies that has proliferated illegal immigration. Really, the only thing that I can see that the GOP has in common with Hispanics is that both are majority anti-abortion. Conservatives in the U.S. have always been racist, so it is a wonder that you would find an ideological home with those who hate you for you.
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Postby Arana » Tue Apr 21, 2015 7:09 pm

Royal Hindustan wrote:
Arana wrote:Dictatorships still have political parties. Nazi Germany was a dictatorship, run by the Nazi Party. The USSR was Stalinist. Stalinism is a form of socialism, which is a step in the process of achieving communism. And Stalinism is as far from communism as you can get while still being left wing.

In a dictatorship, a leader seizes power. A government in which an all powerful leader is elected from a party is not a dictatorship.

Yes, it is. Specifically, it is a single party dictatorship.
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And all your stupid rhyming.
Haiku master race.

*Drops mic*
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Postby Confederate Ramenia » Tue Apr 21, 2015 7:09 pm

United Russian Soviet States wrote:
The National Anarchist Oppressed Lands wrote:What culture values? Whose cultural values?

Our religious values.
Pandeeria wrote:
Of catholicism? What? 'Cause they want the US to be a pseudo-christian theocracy? Because they fight for your right to stomp on those that don't fit your heavily religiously-subjected moral compass?

That is correct.

GOP is Protestant though. IMO there is currently no mainly Catholic or mainly Hispanic party that would be worth joining though.
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The Flutterlands wrote:Because human life and dignity is something that should be universally valued above all things in society.

Benito Mussolini wrote:Everybody has the right to create for himself his own ideology and to attempt to enforce it with all the energy of which he is capable.

I disown most of my previous posts

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Postby United Russian Soviet States » Tue Apr 21, 2015 7:09 pm

Kincoboh wrote:
United Russian Soviet States wrote:I am serious. The GOP respects our culture unlike the Democrats who want to own us.

No, the GOP does not respect your culture. Look at that Arizona law, a clearly racist law. The Democrats are no better really because they support economic policies that has proliferated illegal immigration. Really, the only thing that I can see that the GOP has in common with Hispanics is that both are majority anti-abortion. Conservatives in the U.S. have always been racist, so it is a wonder that you would find an ideological home with those who hate you for you.

The abortion issue is that big.
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