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United Russian Soviet States
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Postby United Russian Soviet States » Tue Apr 21, 2015 6:39 pm

Arana wrote:
United Russian Soviet States wrote:I am Latino.

I'm going to guess you're Cuban then?

I am Mexican.
This nation does not represent my views.
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Postby Royal Hindustan » Tue Apr 21, 2015 6:40 pm

Pandeeria wrote:
Royal Hindustan wrote:Per capita, yes, but nominally, no.


It's not nominally due to it's very small population. Still extremely profitable.

Yeah, but the government is quite regulative.

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Postby Arana » Tue Apr 21, 2015 6:41 pm

United Russian Soviet States wrote:
Arana wrote:I'm going to guess you're Cuban then?

I am Mexican.

Really? Most conservative Hispanics are from Cuba, due to dissatisfaction with the Castro regime.

So, why support a political party that's more than just a little racist against Hispanics?
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Postby Pandeeria » Tue Apr 21, 2015 6:42 pm

Royal Hindustan wrote:
Pandeeria wrote:
It's not nominally due to it's very small population. Still extremely profitable.

Yeah, but the government is quite regulative.



WHich is good. Makes companies treat employees and consumers right, which allows for greater general wealth which means more money to buy consumerist shit which means business makes even more profit.
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.

In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???

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Postby Royal Hindustan » Tue Apr 21, 2015 6:43 pm

Pandeeria wrote:
Royal Hindustan wrote:Yeah, but the government is quite regulative.



WHich is good. Makes companies treat employees and consumers right, which allows for greater general wealth which means more money to buy consumerist shit which means business makes even more profit.

Henry Ford fan eh?

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Postby Grand Calvert » Tue Apr 21, 2015 6:44 pm

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“So when the devil throws your sins in your face and declares that you deserve death and hell, tell him this: "I admit that I deserve death and hell, what of it? For I know One who suffered and made satisfaction on my behalf. His name is Jesus Christ, Son of God, and where He is there I shall be also!” -Martin Luther

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Postby Arana » Tue Apr 21, 2015 6:44 pm

Royal Hindustan wrote:
Pandeeria wrote:

WHich is good. Makes companies treat employees and consumers right, which allows for greater general wealth which means more money to buy consumerist shit which means business makes even more profit.

Henry Ford fan eh?

Well, he was one of the greatest industrialists in American history, and actually gave a damn whether or not his workers starved.
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Arana wrote:Fuck you and your raps,
And all your stupid rhyming.
Haiku master race.

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Postby Arana » Tue Apr 21, 2015 6:45 pm

Grand Calvert wrote:https://swordattheready.wordpress.com/2013/10/21/twisting-jesus-into-a-socialist-the-leftist-perversion-of-christianity/

Interesting article.

One look at the top of the page, and it's clear that everything on it is going to be immensely biased.
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Arana wrote:Fuck you and your raps,
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Haiku master race.

*Drops mic*
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Postby Grand Calvert » Tue Apr 21, 2015 6:46 pm

Arana wrote:
Grand Calvert wrote:https://swordattheready.wordpress.com/2013/10/21/twisting-jesus-into-a-socialist-the-leftist-perversion-of-christianity/

Interesting article.

One look at the top of the page, and it's clear that everything on it is going to be immensely biased.


Well it's trying to argue a point. If it said "Jesus is a socialist", would you still say it's biased?
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“So when the devil throws your sins in your face and declares that you deserve death and hell, tell him this: "I admit that I deserve death and hell, what of it? For I know One who suffered and made satisfaction on my behalf. His name is Jesus Christ, Son of God, and where He is there I shall be also!” -Martin Luther

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Postby Pandeeria » Tue Apr 21, 2015 6:47 pm

Royal Hindustan wrote:
Pandeeria wrote:

WHich is good. Makes companies treat employees and consumers right, which allows for greater general wealth which means more money to buy consumerist shit which means business makes even more profit.

Henry Ford fan eh?


Yes. I'm also a massive fan of capitalism. Just not the raw, unregulated kind.
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Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.

In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???

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Postby Confederate Ramenia » Tue Apr 21, 2015 6:47 pm

Royal Hindustan wrote:
Pandeeria wrote:

WHich is good. Makes companies treat employees and consumers right, which allows for greater general wealth which means more money to buy consumerist shit which means business makes even more profit.

Henry Ford fan eh?

RIP Dearborn Independent last good political newspaper
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Postby Arana » Tue Apr 21, 2015 6:48 pm

Grand Calvert wrote:
Arana wrote:One look at the top of the page, and it's clear that everything on it is going to be immensely biased.


Well it's trying to argue a point. If it said "Jesus is a socialist", would you still say it's biased?

Maybe. Depends on what's under the title. And around it. But when it talks about the "leftist perversion of Christianity," it's pretty obviously going to be biased.
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Arana wrote:Fuck you and your raps,
And all your stupid rhyming.
Haiku master race.

*Drops mic*
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Postby Grand Calvert » Tue Apr 21, 2015 6:49 pm

Arana wrote:
Grand Calvert wrote:
Well it's trying to argue a point. If it said "Jesus is a socialist", would you still say it's biased?

Maybe. Depends on what's under the title. And around it. But when it talks about the "leftist perversion of Christianity," it's pretty obviously going to be biased.


Did you read it?
17 year-old Conservative Reformed Baptist
“So when the devil throws your sins in your face and declares that you deserve death and hell, tell him this: "I admit that I deserve death and hell, what of it? For I know One who suffered and made satisfaction on my behalf. His name is Jesus Christ, Son of God, and where He is there I shall be also!” -Martin Luther

Saved...

Sola Gratia (by grace alone)
Sola Fide (through faith alone)
Solus Christus (in Christ alone)
Sola Scriptura (according to scripture alone)
Soli Deo Gloria (for the glory of God alone)

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United Russian Soviet States
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Postby United Russian Soviet States » Tue Apr 21, 2015 6:49 pm

Arana wrote:
United Russian Soviet States wrote:I am Mexican.

Really? Most conservative Hispanics are from Cuba, due to dissatisfaction with the Castro regime.

So, why support a political party that's more than just a little racist against Hispanics?

The GOP is not racist. They promote our cultural values.
This nation does not represent my views.
I stand with Rand.
_[' ]_
(-_Q) If you support Capitalism put this in your Sig.
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Arana
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Postby Arana » Tue Apr 21, 2015 6:50 pm

Grand Calvert wrote:
Arana wrote:Maybe. Depends on what's under the title. And around it. But when it talks about the "leftist perversion of Christianity," it's pretty obviously going to be biased.


Did you read it?

No, but right under the title it reads: "Beware, for the MarxoFascist Liberal-Left is convincing the Lukewarm in the faith that being a good Christian, means being a good Socialist."

Ignoring how many contradictions that sentence contains, it pains me to read it and makes it clear that everything that follows is complete and utter bullshit.
Prophet of Lavanthulhu -- A Proud Portal Nationalist -- Bet on Bernie 2016

Arana wrote:Fuck you and your raps,
And all your stupid rhyming.
Haiku master race.

*Drops mic*
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Postby Kincoboh » Tue Apr 21, 2015 6:51 pm

Royal Hindustan wrote:
Kincoboh wrote:Hong Kong and Macau are not colonies of China, they were colonies of Britain and Portugal that were given back. And yes, colonialism is required for mercantilism, that's why mercantile states had colonies. But mercantilism is in itself a form of capitalism, so the point is moot.

The culture of Hong Kong is far different than the culture of China. And no, mercantilism emphasizes state business, capitalism emphasizes private businesses.

Yes, because Hong Kong was a colony of Britain that was given back to China. The colonies in mercantile countries were used for their resources, which Hong Kong and Macau have none. In any case, mercantilism is related to capitalism, there's a clear common thread going from feudalism to modern day capitalism. Capitalism is an umbrella category, which includes a lot of variation. They are all based on production for profit, market-based allocation of resources, and structured upon the accumulation of capital.
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Tue Apr 21, 2015 6:51 pm

Royal Hindustan wrote:
Arana wrote:Yes, capitalism is responsible for great men like Andrew Carnegie. But, it's also responsible for the Gilded Age, a period of American history known for widespread poverty, low standards of health and safety, and a time where you could die in unsafe working conditions with no hope of compensation, dooming your family to starvation.

And by the way, Carnegie would still have flourished in a socialist state. He just would have been slightly less rich, but still pretty fucking rich.

While I agree with the low standards of health and safety at workplaces, I do not agree with the widespread poverty. During the Gilded Age, yes there was great income equality, but that does not necessarily mean people were poor. During the Gilded Age, the average income for the American increased, just the fact that it did not increase as drastically compared to rich men. While the Gilded Age was definitely not ideal, it wasn't as bad as Mao's Great Leap Forward, which under the banner of communism, killed 60 million people.

Except that wasn't communism.
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Tue Apr 21, 2015 6:52 pm

New Werpland wrote:
Royal Hindustan wrote:While I agree with the low standards of health and safety at workplaces, I do not agree with the widespread poverty. During the Gilded Age, yes there was great income equality, but that does not necessarily mean people were poor. During the Gilded Age, the average income for the American increased, just the fact that it did not increase as drastically compared to rich men. While the Gilded Age was definitely not ideal, it wasn't as bad as Mao's Great Leap Forward, which under the banner of communism, killed 60 million people.

No modern leftist is advocating collectivization.

*looks around*

Well I sure fucking am. Every modern anarchist/communist/socialist essentially is.
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Postby Arana » Tue Apr 21, 2015 6:53 pm

United Russian Soviet States wrote:
Arana wrote:Really? Most conservative Hispanics are from Cuba, due to dissatisfaction with the Castro regime.

So, why support a political party that's more than just a little racist against Hispanics?

The GOP is not racist. They promote our cultural values.

Yeah... no. They want to prevent Mexican immigration, both legal and illegal, and have passed discriminatory laws in the past. Plus, Mitt Romney once said that he wished he was Hispanic, because it would have made it easier to be elected President.
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Arana wrote:Fuck you and your raps,
And all your stupid rhyming.
Haiku master race.

*Drops mic*
Seventeen year old probably straight Christian socialist from New England.

"Aran is basically a very pissed-off Chihuahua combined with a bisexual Billy Graham, minus the bisexuality." -Lavan Tiri

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United Russian Soviet States
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Postby United Russian Soviet States » Tue Apr 21, 2015 6:53 pm

Arana wrote:
United Russian Soviet States wrote:The GOP is not racist. They promote our cultural values.

Yeah... no. They want to prevent Mexican immigration, both legal and illegal, and have passed discriminatory laws in the past. Plus, Mitt Romney once said that he wished he was Hispanic, because it would have made it easier to be elected President.

You are white. You do not understand our culture.
This nation does not represent my views.
I stand with Rand.
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Postby Pandeeria » Tue Apr 21, 2015 6:54 pm

Arana wrote:
Grand Calvert wrote:
Did you read it?

No, but right under the title it reads: "Beware, for the MarxoFascist Liberal-Left is convincing the Lukewarm in the faith that being a good Christian, means being a good Socialist."

Ignoring how many contradictions that sentence contains, it pains me to read it and makes it clear that everything that follows is complete and utter bullshit.


I think what we're all forgetting here is that it's good to be biased to a certain extent when arguing a point, but the article (which I very briefly skimmed over) is just biased into the region of straight up bs.

Also, the sentence: Beware, "for the MarxoFascist Liberal-Left convincing the Lukewarm in the faith that being a good Christian, means being a good Socialist." Made me almost have heart failure. Partly out of sheer will since I'm apart of the same species that someone else wrote that very sentence, and partly out of involuntary reaction because that sentence is that awful.
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.

In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???

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Postby Arana » Tue Apr 21, 2015 6:54 pm

United Russian Soviet States wrote:
Arana wrote:Yeah... no. They want to prevent Mexican immigration, both legal and illegal, and have passed discriminatory laws in the past. Plus, Mitt Romney once said that he wished he was Hispanic, because it would have made it easier to be elected President.

You are white. You do not understand our culture.

So are the majority of Republicans. ;)
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Arana wrote:Fuck you and your raps,
And all your stupid rhyming.
Haiku master race.

*Drops mic*
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Tue Apr 21, 2015 6:54 pm

Royal Hindustan wrote:
Kincoboh wrote:Capitalism works on the backs of slave labour, destruction of the environment, and imperialism. It creates huge social division and atomizes people. I don't know if socialism is the best antidote, but capitalism is a failure. Maybe instead of a new economic system we need a new way of thinking about ourselves and the world.

Capitalism exploits people for their labor. It thrives on destroying the environment in exchange for profit. It also exploits underdeveloped countries for their workforce.
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Postby Chaue » Tue Apr 21, 2015 6:56 pm

Eh, I'm Christian and libertarian, but I'm not sure the bible talks about what the right political side is..

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Postby Pandeeria » Tue Apr 21, 2015 6:56 pm

Arana wrote:
United Russian Soviet States wrote:You are white. You do not understand our culture.

So are the majority of Republicans. ;)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4HLW8R9ISQ
Lavochkin wrote:Never got why educated people support communism.

In capitalism, you pretty much have a 50/50 chance of being rich or poor. In communism, it's 1/99. What makes people think they have the luck/skill to become the 1% if they can't even succeed in a 50/50 society???

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