[US Election 2016] Republican Primary Megathread

[Farnhamia]

Look how well that worked out in the late 30s.

No you dumb fuck. If the US lets ISIS unite the middle east, terrorist groups will have a solid foundation to carry out attacks on the western world. The US is the only superpower left. Without them the world would be screwed. They one WW2 for us. They contained communism for us.

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[Bachmann America]

...far leftists like Christie and Bush...

wat

If those guys are far left, what the hell do you call Marx? Bakunin? Most European politicians? Me?

Bush Clinton and Hillary are far left, the people you mention are extreme left.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

wat

If those guys are far left, what the hell do you call Marx? Bakunin? Most European politicians? Me?

Bush Clinton and Hillary are far left, the people you mention are extreme left.

What about them do you consider leftist? In any way, shape, or form?

EDIT: And you're really creating a fucking massive left wing. You're saying people left of the fucking Bush family, which includes anyone who isn't a firm, capitalist, imperialist, conservative, are extreme left. The right wing is nearly nonexistent by this view. Only theocrats and ancaps could fit into this definition.

[Bachmann America]

The US has been there 20 years doing war-crimes against people in the middle east, it is the focus of their foreign policy, maybe the US should get the fucked out of the middle east because people are sick of the US interfering.

The US has been the most powerful force supporting human rights in the middle east . The only people who want the US out are those who are responsible for the worst human right violations and want middle eastern societies to remain backwards and archaic. Those who want to modernize, reform and protect human rights welcome the US.

Exactly!

[Furry Alairia and Algeria]

wat

If those guys are far left, what the hell do you call Marx? Bakunin? Most European politicians? Me?

Bush Clinton and Hillary are far left, the people you mention are extreme left.

Wrong.

[Bachmann America]

Why I consider Bush to be a leftist:

Ok, here come the sources.

He supported the murder of Terry Shiavo, http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/03/18/schia ... n-damaged/
opposes a federal marriage amendment, http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/2 ... 55134.html
supports contraceptive and abortion, http://m.christianpost.com/news/jeb-bus ... nce-80616/
and supports amnesty for illegals. http://www.breitbart.com/big-government ... hampshire/
He also supports affirmative action, http://votesmart.org/candidate/politica ... TRVPpOBZ51
opposes English Only, http://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/jeb- ... un-n280641
supports common core, http://www.breitbart.com/big-government ... -thinking/
hates business, http://www.politico.com/story/2013/10/j ... 99007.html
and wants us to "respect" the homosexual lifestyle. http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/05/politics/ ... -marriage/
Furthermore he refuses to call out global warming as a hoax, http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/the-buzz- ... ge/2179732
he supports forcing parents to inject their kids with poisonous chemicals, http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/the-buzz- ... wd/2216428
And he is an evolutionist, http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1547174/posts

[Dyakovo]

Bush Clinton and Hillary are far left, the people you mention are extreme left.

What about them do you consider leftist? In any way, shape, or form?

They aren't religious fanatics.

[Patridam]

It's not the 2.6% of workers that make minimum wage that's the problem, it's the 30% of workers who earn less than $11 an hour. The whole wage scale of semi-skilled or promoted-unskilled jobs would be thrown off, and inflation (which is not great as it is; the Obama administration has been downplaying it) would skyrocket.

Hence why a simple raising of the minimum wage is inadequate. A requirement to it being tied to cost of living ¹ incentivizes [sic] corporations to cut costs on products (while maintaining and improving regulations keeps them from skimping on quality²), and requiring they cut upper management pay before mass numbers of job cutting ensures that jobs don't get lost to pay for the increased costs. ³

1.) I fail to see how tying it cost of living changes the other economic impacts; it merely avoids people migrating massively to Texas or something because wages are higher but the cost of living is cheaper.

2.) So regulations are going to stop any sort of cost cutting measures, and decreases of quality, in industry? You're going to use the government to, what, keep car companies from using plastic where there was metal? Stop movie studios from making cash-in action movies? I can sort of understand the belief behind legislation for safety or environmental reasons, but ensuring products never undergo cost-cutting through government intervention is a major step towards command economics.

3.) In no way does that ensure no loss of jobs. If the company manages to cut all of the costs in the area of executive pay, then it will lose its skilled and competent executives (who will go to other companies or foreign companies where their skills are greater reciprocated), having them replaced by less in-demand, junior executives, willing to work for less; those new executives will wrought further failure on the profitability of the company, decreasing the ability of the company to pay its workers, which will either result in fired workers anyway, or even worse paid executives who will follow the cycle until the company is run into the ground. That is if cutting pay of a few executives is enough to cover the difference of massively changed employee wages.

It probably won't be, so the few companies that remain here will be forced to further outsource workers since what the number of workers company can afford to pay here at the new wage will be insufficient to meet production demands, whereas thrice as many Chinese laborers at one fourth the price could easily handle it.

4.) Even if the government manages to control companies such that it sets worker pay, executive pay, product cost, the amount of employees, and employee retention, that is honestly much closer to a command economy than a capitalist one. All of the advantages stemming from the adaptability of the free market would be lost, replaced by miles of government bureaucracy.

So those steps you propose will not only cause heavy inflation from the raise in wages, but will result in a command economization and all the deleterious effects of inadaptability and lack of incentives for innovation that occur from such a step.

I am inclined to agree. America first, no foreign entanglements, etc.

Look how well that worked out in the late 30s.

And look at how well proactive foreign policy worked for us in the 1960s. There's horror stories of isolationism and globalism, neither are infallible.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Why I consider Bush to be a leftist:

Ok, here come the sources.

He supported the murder of Terry Shiavo, http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/03/18/schia ... n-damaged/
opposes a federal marriage amendment, http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/2 ... 55134.html
supports contraceptive and abortion, http://m.christianpost.com/news/jeb-bus ... nce-80616/
and supports amnesty for illegals. http://www.breitbart.com/big-government ... hampshire/
He also supports affirmative action, http://votesmart.org/candidate/politica ... TRVPpOBZ51
opposes English Only, http://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/jeb- ... un-n280641
supports common core, http://www.breitbart.com/big-government ... -thinking/
hates business, http://www.politico.com/story/2013/10/j ... 99007.html
and wants us to "respect" the homosexual lifestyle. http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/05/politics/ ... -marriage/
Furthermore he refuses to call out global warming as a hoax, http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/the-buzz- ... ge/2179732
he supports forcing parents to inject their kids with poisonous chemicals, http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/the-buzz- ... wd/2216428
And he is an evolutionist, http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1547174/posts

These things are called common sense, BA. Except for common core.

[Bachmann America]

Why I consider Bush to be a leftist:

These things are called common sense, BA. Except for common core.

Leftism is the opposite of common sense. Commonsense conservatism like what Bachmann advocates is exactly what America needs

[MERIZoC]

Why I consider Bush to be a leftist:

Ok, here come the sources.

He supported the murder of Terry Shiavo, http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/03/18/schia ... n-damaged/
opposes a federal marriage amendment, http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/2 ... 55134.html
supports contraceptive and abortion, http://m.christianpost.com/news/jeb-bus ... nce-80616/
and supports amnesty for illegals. http://www.breitbart.com/big-government ... hampshire/
He also supports affirmative action, http://votesmart.org/candidate/politica ... TRVPpOBZ51
opposes English Only, http://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/jeb- ... un-n280641
supports common core, http://www.breitbart.com/big-government ... -thinking/
hates business, http://www.politico.com/story/2013/10/j ... 99007.html
and wants us to "respect" the homosexual lifestyle. http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/05/politics/ ... -marriage/
Furthermore he refuses to call out global warming as a hoax, http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/the-buzz- ... ge/2179732
he supports forcing parents to inject their kids with poisonous chemicals, http://www.tampabay.com/blogs/the-buzz- ... wd/2216428
And he is an evolutionist, http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1547174/posts

Sure. I'm beginning to suspect you're the only person in the world you don't consider to be a leftist. But that would be ridiculous, wouldn't it?

[Prussia-Steinbach]

These things are called common sense, BA. Except for common core.

Leftism is the opposite of common sense. Commonsense conservatism like what Bachmann advocates is exactly what America needs

Bachmann advocates something near a return to the Dark Ages. The American Constitution provides for separation of church and state, and the Founding Fathers (largely followers of the Enlightenment and Deists) would be disgusted at people like her.

If leftism is the opposite of common sense, why does it advocate for equal rights and science?

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Sure. I'm beginning to suspect you're the only person in the world you don't consider to be a leftist. But that would be ridiculous, wouldn't it?

Of course not. There are other people allowed in the super-secret clubhouse. Michelle Bachmann, for instance. Ummmmmm. Ayn Rand? Nope, wait, militant atheist. Uhhhhh. Hitler? Nope, his economics actually made sense. Ehhhhhh. Santorum? Santorum! Yeah, good ol' Rickie.

[Bachmann America]

Why I consider Bush to be a leftist:

Sure. I'm beginning to suspect you're the only person in the world you don't consider to be a leftist. But that would be ridiculous, wouldn't it?

Bachmann isnt a leftist, Huckabee isnt a leftist, Cruz isnt a leftist, Santorum isnt a leftist. The tea party are not leftists. But sadly the vast majority of americans have bought into leftism.

[MERIZoC]

Sure. I'm beginning to suspect you're the only person in the world you don't consider to be a leftist. But that would be ridiculous, wouldn't it?

Of course not. There are other people allowed in the super-secret clubhouse. Michelle Bachmann, for instance. Ummmmmm. Ayn Rand? Nope, wait, militant atheist. Uhhhhh. Hitler? Nope, his economics actually made sense. Ehhhhhh. Santorum? Santorum! Yeah, good ol' Rickie.

Ew.

[Godular]

These things are called common sense, BA. Except for common core.

Leftism is the opposite of common sense. Commonsense conservatism like what Bachmann advocates is exactly what America needs

I just spat coke all over my monitor. I don't even drink that stuff! Your 'conservatism' is about as much common sense as standing in an incinerator to cool off.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Sure. I'm beginning to suspect you're the only person in the world you don't consider to be a leftist. But that would be ridiculous, wouldn't it?

Bachmann isnt a leftist, Huckabee isnt a leftist, Cruz isnt a leftist, Santorum isnt a leftist. The tea party are not leftists. But sadly the vast majority of americans have bought into leftism.

Considering a right-winger is president, I find that hard to believe.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Of course not. There are other people allowed in the super-secret clubhouse. Michelle Bachmann, for instance. Ummmmmm. Ayn Rand? Nope, wait, militant atheist. Uhhhhh. Hitler? Nope, his economics actually made sense. Ehhhhhh. Santorum? Santorum! Yeah, good ol' Rickie.

Ew.

They worked. Have to admit it. Just saying.

[Skappola]

I wish Herman Cain would run again. He's the only presidential candidate to reference pokemon on numerous occasions and submit a tax proposal based on Simcity.

More seriously, I would love Chris Christie, but I think his scandals - which were comparatively rather minor - have pretty much destroyed his chances of winning. It's too bad, since he was actually capable of working with Democrats.

[Bachmann America]

Bachmann isnt a leftist, Huckabee isnt a leftist, Cruz isnt a leftist, Santorum isnt a leftist. The tea party are not leftists. But sadly the vast majority of americans have bought into leftism.

Considering a right-winger is president, I find that hard to believe.

What things has Obama done that are right wing?

[Bachmann America]

Ew.

They worked. Have to admit it. Just saying.

Things like like this is what I mean when I say Hitler was a leftist (also remember, national SOCIALISM) and leftists have hitlerist sympathies.

[MERIZoC]

Ew.

They worked. Have to admit it. Just saying.

Well, I'd disagree, but that's a debate for elsewhere.

[MERIZoC]

Considering a right-winger is president, I find that hard to believe.

What things has Obama done that are right wing?

Been a capitalist.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Considering a right-winger is president, I find that hard to believe.

What things has Obama done that are right wing?

Expanded wars, continued the capitalist system, not expanded welfare, not endorsed drug decriminalization.

[Romalae]

(also remember, national SOCIALISM)

Yes, just like the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. Very Democratic and very much a Republic.

Things like like this is what I mean when I say Hitler was a leftist

It's not like the Nazis persecuted leftist groups like Communists, Socialists, or trade unionists or anything.