[US Election 2016] Republican Primary Megathread

[The United Territories of Providence]

Heck, as a white man life is probably worse for me right now than it would've been 60 years back... or even 30 years back.

Life getting better for everyone else does not equate to life getting worse for white men.

I'd beg to differ. White men no longer have a monopoly on high wage jobs, they have to compete with women and minorities. So, as more people have risen up in this country, white men aren't having as great a time as they were 60 years ago.

[Lost heros]

Life getting better for everyone else does not equate to life getting worse for white men.

I'd beg to differ. White men no longer have a monopoly on high wage jobs, they have to compete with women and minorities. So, as more people have risen up in this country, white men aren't having as great a time as they were 60 years ago.

True, but I hope we can all agree that it's for the best.

[Grenartia]

The US has been there 20 years doing war-crimes against people in the middle east, it is the focus of their foreign policy, maybe the US should get the fucked out of the middle east because people are sick of the US interfering.

I am inclined to agree. America first, no foreign entanglements, etc.

Look how well that worked out in the late 30s.

[Grenartia]

What exactly should one do when a civil war starts? Besides it wouldn't be the first time we've done it.

Not get involved. Also, just because we've made the mistake in the past does not mean we have to continue making it.

But does the larger international community not have an ethical obligation to intervene to prevent as much human rights abuse as possible?

[Grenartia]

Pretty much the only good thing about the 50s in America. We need the economics of the 50s and the social policies of modern Canada.

Well, if we could make life for every American as good as it was for white Christian, cishet men in the 50s, we'd probably all be better off.

Quite.

[Grenartia]

And this is why, as a Social Democrat, I like Ike.

1.) Those taxation policies existed prior to Ike's presidency.
2.) Tax evasion was wildly rampant during those years, probably even more so than it is now. I doubt anyone actually paid that 91 % tax rate.
3.) I'm curious as to your opinion of Kennedy, given that it was his administration that removed steeply bracketed taxes.

1. But Ike did nothing to change them, implying agreement and support. I should also mention he was the first president to warn us about the military industrial complex (and yes, he arguably did contribute to its power, however, had he not, we'd have lost MAD, which, I reluctantly admit, kept us from a nuclear war, if only barely).
2. And yet the government still had plenty of money to spend on guns and bombs and rockets and spaceflight and computers and pure research.
3. I don't agree with that, but there were enough positives to Kennedy's administration that I cannot think of a bad thing to say about the man's politics. I like to think had he not been assassinated by that traitor (to both the country and the proletariat) Oswald, he would have found a way to avoid escalation in Vietnam.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

1.) Those taxation policies existed prior to Ike's presidency.
2.) Tax evasion was wildly rampant during those years, probably even more so than it is now. I doubt anyone actually paid that 91 % tax rate.
3.) I'm curious as to your opinion of Kennedy, given that it was his administration that removed steeply bracketed taxes.

1. But Ike did nothing to change them, implying agreement and support. I should also mention he was the first president to warn us about the military industrial complex (and yes, he arguably did contribute to its power, however, had he not, we'd have lost MAD, which, I reluctantly admit, kept us from a nuclear war, if only barely).
2. And yet the government still had plenty of money to spend on guns and bombs and rockets and spaceflight and computers and pure research.
3. I don't agree with that, but there were enough positives to Kennedy's administration that I cannot think of a bad thing to say about the man's politics. I like to think had he not been assassinated by that traitor (to both the country and the proletariat) Oswald, he would have found a way to avoid escalation in Vietnam.

That last part is doubtful. He was totally enamored of McNamara's philosophies, and there's no significant reason to think that he wouldn't have gone down the same road as LBJ.

[Grenartia]

And yet, this still isn't liveable. Clearly, the arithmetic for calculating poverty is biased too low.

As someone who's lived in a family of three that has never broken the poverty threshold thereof, and experienced not unreasonable comfort therein, please define "liveable".

Able to support the occupants of a household without having utilities cut off due to being unable to pay due to not being paid enough, and without having to stop eating and driving to/from work/school in order to achieve it.

[Grenartia]

1. But Ike did nothing to change them, implying agreement and support. I should also mention he was the first president to warn us about the military industrial complex (and yes, he arguably did contribute to its power, however, had he not, we'd have lost MAD, which, I reluctantly admit, kept us from a nuclear war, if only barely).
2. And yet the government still had plenty of money to spend on guns and bombs and rockets and spaceflight and computers and pure research.
3. I don't agree with that, but there were enough positives to Kennedy's administration that I cannot think of a bad thing to say about the man's politics. I like to think had he not been assassinated by that traitor (to both the country and the proletariat) Oswald, he would have found a way to avoid escalation in Vietnam.

That last part is doubtful. He was totally enamored of McNamara's philosophies, and there's no significant reason to think that he wouldn't have gone down the same road as LBJ.

I like to think that if he could find a relatively peaceful solution to the Cuban Missile Crisis, he could've found a less counterproductive way to handle Vietnam.

[Shofercia]

Ted Cruz - nah, he needs more Cruz Control
Marco Rubio - disagreeing with Obama isn't a policy
Rand Paul - ok, I guess
Ben Carson - are you fucking kidding me?! Ben Carson? The laughing stock? http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/11/15 ... president/
Mike Huckabee - he's running after being on Fox News? What the fuckabee?
Jeb Bush - not into the Clinton/Bush dynasty
Chris Christie - I doubt he can bridge the gap (pun intended)
Carly Fiorina - drill baby drill, spill baby spill
Lindsey Graham - isn't that the guy who suggested that he rule by martial law?
Bobby Jindal - no thanks
George Pataki - who?
Rick Perry - doubtful
Rick Santorum - a bit too hateful
Donald Trump - will I have to show my birth certificate?
Sarah Palin - so that Carson isn't lonely?
Scott Walker - nah, he needs to walk it off

Rand Paul - the least bad candidate of the bunch.

[Bachmann America]

Ted Cruz - nah, he needs more Cruz Control
Marco Rubio - disagreeing with Obama isn't a policy
Rand Paul - ok, I guess
Ben Carson - are you fucking kidding me?! Ben Carson? The laughing stock? http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/11/15 ... president/
Mike Huckabee - he's running after being on Fox News? What the fuckabee?
Jeb Bush - not into the Clinton/Bush dynasty
Chris Christie - I doubt he can bridge the gap (pun intended)
Carly Fiorina - drill baby drill, spill baby spill
Lindsey Graham - isn't that the guy who suggested that he rule by martial law?
Bobby Jindal - no thanks
George Pataki - who?
Rick Perry - doubtful
Rick Santorum - a bit too hateful
Donald Trump - will I have to show my birth certificate?
Sarah Palin - so that Carson isn't lonely?
Scott Walker - nah, he needs to walk it off

Rand Paul - the least bad candidate of the bunch.

Rand Paul is one of the worst candidates in this candidate pool (the only ones he is better than are the far leftists like Christie and Bush) because of his extreme social leftism and hatred of the US.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

That last part is doubtful. He was totally enamored of McNamara's philosophies, and there's no significant reason to think that he wouldn't have gone down the same road as LBJ.

I like to think that if he could find a relatively peaceful solution to the Cuban Missile Crisis, he could've found a less counterproductive way to handle Vietnam.

His relatively peaceful solution was to push the world to the brink of war, then agree to take some missiles out of Turkey. I should note that if anything, the manner in which he handled that crisis was also based largely upon McNamara's advice, and only caused him to trust the man further.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Ted Cruz - nah, he needs more Cruz Control
Marco Rubio - disagreeing with Obama isn't a policy
Rand Paul - ok, I guess
Ben Carson - are you fucking kidding me?! Ben Carson? The laughing stock? http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/11/15 ... president/
Mike Huckabee - he's running after being on Fox News? What the fuckabee?
Jeb Bush - not into the Clinton/Bush dynasty
Chris Christie - I doubt he can bridge the gap (pun intended)
Carly Fiorina - drill baby drill, spill baby spill
Lindsey Graham - isn't that the guy who suggested that he rule by martial law?
Bobby Jindal - no thanks
George Pataki - who?
Rick Perry - doubtful
Rick Santorum - a bit too hateful
Donald Trump - will I have to show my birth certificate?
Sarah Palin - so that Carson isn't lonely?
Scott Walker - nah, he needs to walk it off

Rand Paul - the least bad candidate of the bunch.

Rand Paul is one of the worst candidates in this candidate pool (the only ones he is better than are the far leftists like Christie and Bush) because of his extreme social leftism and hatred of the US.

Your act has become unbearably dull. It may be time to move on to a new character.

[Shofercia]

Not a republican, but whoever they field had better be good or we're looking at a very bad next four years.

Ugh. Just imagine. Chris Christie versus Hillary Clinton. Just shoot me now.

Bush v Clinton

Herman "Ash Ketchum" Cain had better run again.

No, Cain was an embarrasment because of his immoral sexual lifestyle.

As opposed to Carson, Palin or Trump?

For those who are wondering to why I consider Jeb Bush to be such a left winger here are the reasons.

He supported the murder of Terry Shiavo, opposes a federal marriage amendment, supports contraceptive and abortion, and supports amnesty for illegals. He also supports affirmative action, opposes English Only, supports common core, hates business, and wants us to "respect" the homosexual lifestyle. Furthermore he refuses to call out global warming as a hoax and he supports forcing parents to inject their kids with poisonous chemicals. And he is an evolutionist.

Wait, you're mad at Bush because he's stating facts about global warming? Someone is mad at a Bush, because Bush made a factually correct statement?

Ted Cruz - nah, he needs more Cruz Control
Marco Rubio - disagreeing with Obama isn't a policy
Rand Paul - ok, I guess
Ben Carson - are you fucking kidding me?! Ben Carson? The laughing stock? http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/11/15 ... president/
Mike Huckabee - he's running after being on Fox News? What the fuckabee?
Jeb Bush - not into the Clinton/Bush dynasty
Chris Christie - I doubt he can bridge the gap (pun intended)
Carly Fiorina - drill baby drill, spill baby spill
Lindsey Graham - isn't that the guy who suggested that he rule by martial law?
Bobby Jindal - no thanks
George Pataki - who?
Rick Perry - doubtful
Rick Santorum - a bit too hateful
Donald Trump - will I have to show my birth certificate?
Sarah Palin - so that Carson isn't lonely?
Scott Walker - nah, he needs to walk it off

Rand Paul - the least bad candidate of the bunch.

Rand Paul is one of the worst candidates in this candidate pool (the only ones he is better than are the far leftists like Christie and Bush) because of his extreme social leftism and hatred of the US.

He's your best chance to beat Clinton. Don't you want to beat Clinton?

[DBJ]

Everybody who doesn't have an interest in the middle east because they fear brown people and terrorists, really.

And our actions from a fiscal perspective are actually more expensive than just trading with the damn sheiks.

The US has been there 20 years doing war-crimes against people in the middle east, it is the focus of their foreign policy, maybe the US should get the fucked out of the middle east because people are sick of the US interfering.

The US has been the most powerful force supporting human rights in the middle east . The only people who want the US out are those who are responsible for the worst human right violations and want middle eastern societies to remain backwards and archaic. Those who want to modernize, reform and protect human rights welcome the US.

[LoveIra]

Given how Obama is imperialist, the GOP is better when it comes to American foreign policy.

[DBJ]

Sure, let's help a crazy dictator who slaughters his own population.

What exactly should one do when a civil war starts? Besides it wouldn't be the first time we've done it.

When the assad regime started to gun down protestersin 2011 we should have pressured him into making concessions and stopping the violence or removed him by force if necessary.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

...far leftists like Christie and Bush...

wat

If those guys are far left, what the hell do you call Marx? Bakunin? Most European politicians? Me?

[Warcilia]

RUBIO 2016!!!!!!! Rand Paul is a joke. my favorites are
Ted Cruz (cant win so I go Rubio)
Marco Rubio (Only one in the polls that can beat Hillary and love his policies)
third choice Scott walker.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Given how Obama is imperialist, the GOP is better when it comes to American foreign policy.

Rand Paul is a fucking neoconservative warhawk. Anyone who becomes president is going to continue wars in the Middle East.

[MERIZoC]

...far leftists like Christie and Bush...

wat

If those guys are far left, what the hell do you call Marx? Bakunin? Most European politicians? Me?

You're on the right. So far left, you've gone all the way around the circle.
*nod*

[Prussia-Steinbach]

wat

If those guys are far left, what the hell do you call Marx? Bakunin? Most European politicians? Me?

You're on the right. So far left, you've gone all the way around the circle.
*nod*

But... but...

No, actually, I think I just fell off, because the political spectrum is flat, just like the earth. *nods*

[Warcilia]

I am inclined to agree. America first, no foreign entanglements, etc.

Look how well that worked out in the late 30s.

No you dumb fuck. If the US lets ISIS unite the middle east, terrorist groups will have a solid foundation to carry out attacks on the western world. The US is the only superpower left. Without them the world would be screwed. They one WW2 for us. They contained communism for us.

[Sardine World]

Look how well that worked out in the late 30s.

No you dumb fuck ...

dont say that lol

[Dyakovo]

That last part is doubtful. He was totally enamored of McNamara's philosophies, and there's no significant reason to think that he wouldn't have gone down the same road as LBJ.

I like to think that if he could find a relatively peaceful solution to the Cuban Missile Crisis, he could've found a less counterproductive way to handle Vietnam.

He didn't find a relatively peaceful resolution to the Cuban Missile Crisis. He stumbled into one despite pushing us on a course to war with the Soviet Union.