[US Election 2016] Republican Primary Megathread

[Ashmoria]

Or all of them...

Not the economic ideas.

what republican economic ideas do you think are good?

[Ashmoria]

For those who are wondering to why I consider Jeb Bush to be such a left winger here are the reasons.

He supported the murder of Terry Shiavo, opposes a federal marriage amendment, supports contraceptive and abortion, and supports amnesty for illegals. He also supports affirmative action, opposes English Only, supports common core, hates business, and wants us to "respect" the homosexual lifestyle. Furthermore he refuses to call out global warming as a hoax and he supports forcing parents to inject their kids with poisonous chemicals. And he is an evolutionist.

Not using technology to artificially sustain the life functions of a corpse is not murder.

and jeb bush went to such extreme lengths to keep her alive that 70% of the country disagreed with him.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Not using technology to artificially sustain the life functions of a corpse is not murder.

and jeb bush went to such extreme lengths to keep her alive that 70% of the country disagreed with him.

Could someone enlighten me as to the spacifics of this? I'm English, and don't keep up with the US news as closely as I could.

[Borovan4]

Jeb and Walker are both bad. Couldn't we have a real center-right guy? Anyways I will vote Bush if Walker or Rubio is a threat but only if he ditches his Super Pac.

[Dyakovo]

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terri_Schiavo_case

and jeb bush went to such extreme lengths to keep her alive that 70% of the country disagreed with him.

Could someone enlighten me as to the spacifics of this? I'm English, and don't keep up with the US news as closely as I could.

[AiliailiA]

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terri_Schiavo_case

Could someone enlighten me as to the spacifics of this? I'm English, and don't keep up with the US news as closely as I could.

Extracts relevant to the involvement of Florida congress, Jeb Bush, US Congress, and George Bush:

Intro

The Terri Schiavo case was a legal struggle involving prolonged life support in the United States that lasted from 1990 to 2005. The issue was whether to carry out the decision of the husband and legal guardian of Theresa Marie "Terri" Schiavo to remove Terri's feeding tube that provided life support. Terri was diagnosed by multiple physicians, including independent court-appointed physicians, as being in a persistent vegetative state, though this diagnosis was challenged by her parents and physicians hired by her parents.[1][2] The highly publicized and prolonged series of legal challenges presented by her parents and by state and federal legislative intervention caused a seven-year delay before her feeding tube was ultimately removed.

...

On October 15, 2003, Schiavo's feeding tube was removed. Within a week, when the Schindlers' final appeal was exhausted, State Rep. Frank Attkisson and the Florida Legislature hastily passed "Terri's Law," giving Governor Jeb Bush the authority to intervene in the case. Governor Bush immediately ordered the feeding tube reinserted. Governor Bush sent the Florida Department of Law Enforcement (FDLE) to remove Schiavo from the hospice. She was taken to Morton Plant Rehabilitation Hospital in Clearwater, where her feeding tube was surgically reinserted. She was then returned to the hospice. Part of the legislation required the appointment of a guardian ad litem (GAL), Dr. Jay Wolfson, to "deduce and represent the best wishes and best interests" of Schiavo, and report them to Governor Bush. Wolfson's report did not change Michael's role as her legal guardian and did not otherwise obstruct him legally.

Michael Schiavo opposed the Governor's intervention in Schiavo's case, and was represented, in part, by the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU). At the same time, Robert and Mary Schindler, her parents, attempted to intervene and participate in the "Terri's Law" case but were denied by Judge W. Douglas Baird, a Circuit Judge in the Florida Sixth Circuit, the same circuit as for Judge George W. Greer. They appealed, and, on February 13, the Florida Second District Court of Appeal (Second District Court of Appeals) reversed Baird's ruling, allowing them to participate.

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On May 5, 2004, Baird found "Terri's Law" unconstitutional, and struck it down. Bush appealed this order to the Second District Court of Appeals, but on May 12, the court issued an "Order Relinquishing Case for Entry of Final Judgment and Order to Show Cause Why this Proceeding Should Not be Certified to the Supreme Court As Requiring Immediate Resolution." The Second District Court of Appeals, in sending it directly to the Florida Supreme Court, invoked "pass through" jurisdiction.

The Florida Supreme Court then overturned the law as unconstitutional.

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Following Greer's order on March 18, 2005 to remove the feeding tube, Republicans in the United States Congress subpoenaed both Michael and Terri Schiavo to testify at a congressional hearing. Greer told congressional attorneys, "I have had no cogent reason why the (congressional) committee should intervene." He also stated that last-minute action by Congress does not invalidate years of court rulings.

Palm Sunday Compromise

President Bush and Congressional Republicans anticipated Greer's adverse ruling well before it was delivered and worked on a daily basis to find an alternative means of overturning the legal process by utilizing the authority of the United States Congress. On March 20, 2005, the Senate, by unanimous consent, passed their version of a relief bill; since the vote was taken by voice vote, there was no official tally of those voting in favor and those opposed. Soon after Senate approval, the House of Representatives passed an identical version of the bill S.686, which came to be called the "Palm Sunday Compromise" and transferred jurisdiction of the Schiavo case to the federal courts. The bill passed the House on March 21, 2005 at 12:41 a.m. (UTC-5). U.S. President George W. Bush flew to Washington, D.C. from his vacation in Texas in order to sign the bill into law at 1:11 a.m.

While the bill had been proposed by Republican Senators Rick Santorum and Mel Martinez, it also had the support of Democratic Senator Tom Harkin due to disability rights concerns in the Schiavo case. Harkin had worked with disability rights groups for years and co-authored the 1990 Americans with Disabilities Act. American disability rights groups traditionally tend to ally themselves with Democrats and the political left, however, in the Schiavo case they joined pro-life organizations in opposing the removal of her feeding tube and supporting the Palm Sunday Compromise. According to Marilyn Golden, Harkin's support was necessary for passage of the bill, as any voice opposition by Democrats would have delayed it.

As in the state courts, all of the Schindlers' federal petitions and appeals were denied, and the U.S. Supreme Court declined to grant certiorari, effectively ending the Schindlers' judicial options. At the same time, the so-called Schiavo memo surfaced, causing a political firestorm. The memo was written by Brian Darling, the legal counsel to Florida Republican senator Mel Martinez. It suggested the Schiavo case offered "a great political issue" that would appeal to the party's base (core supporters) and could be used against Senator Bill Nelson, a Democrat from Florida, because he had refused to co-sponsor the bill. Nelson easily won re-election in 2006.

Senator and physician Bill Frist opposed the removal of her feeding tube and in a speech delivered on the Senate Floor, challenged the diagnosis of Schiavo's physicians of Schiavo being in a persistent vegetative state (PVS): "I question it based on a review of the video footage which I spent an hour or so looking at last night in my office". Frist was criticized by a medical ethicist at Northwestern University for making a diagnosis without personally examining the patient and for questioning the diagnosis when he was not a neurologist. After her death, the autopsy showed signs of long-term and irreversible damage to her brain consistent with PVS. Frist defended his actions after the autopsy.

Final local motions, death, autopsy, and burial

On March 24, 2005, Judge Greer denied a petition for intervention by the Department of Children & Families (DCF) and signed an order forbidding the department from "taking possession of Theresa Marie Schiavo or removing her" from the hospice and directed "each and every and singular sheriff of the state of Florida" to enforce his order. The order was appealed to the Second District Court of Appeals the following day, which resulted in an automatic stay under state law. While the stay was in effect, Florida Department of Law Enforcement personnel prepared to take custody of Terri and transfer her to a local hospital for reinsertion of the feeding tube. Once Greer was made aware of the stay, he ordered it lifted and all parties stood down. Governor Bush decided to obey the court order despite enormous pressure from the political right. If Bush (or the Florida Legislature) had ignored Greer's order by attempting to remove her from the hospice, a confrontation between the Pinellas Park Police Department and the FDLE agents could have ensued. In jest, one official said local police discussed "... whether we had enough officers to hold off the National Guard."

Terri Schiavo died at a Pinellas Park hospice on March 31, 2005. Although there was concern that Schiavo would experience significant symptoms from dehydration with the removal of the feeding tube, studies have shown that patients who have their feeding tubes removed, such as the case of Schiavo, usually have a peaceful death.

[Patridam]

Believe me...they do exist. It's scary, but they exist.

Their habitat is most commonly known as "Minutus Villus Americanus", or Small Town America.

Hmm, I might've used the genitive case with America, but nonetheless I think that's a little cruel to all of the perfectly sane people from small towns, myself included.

[DBJ]

Jeb Bush. Rand & other pussies would be disaster. His foreign policy is even worse than Obamas. We need someone who projects strength, not weakness.

[Shazbotdom]

Jeb Bush. Rand & other pussies would be disaster. His foreign policy is even worse than Obamas. We need someone who projects strength, not weakness.

We need someone who gets us out of all these useless wars. Problem is none of the Dems and Reps would do that.

[DBJ]

Jeb Bush. Rand & other pussies would be disaster. His foreign policy is even worse than Obamas. We need someone who projects strength, not weakness.

We need someone who gets us out of all these useless wars. Problem is none of the Dems and Reps would do that.

Aha. Which wars?

[Shazbotdom]

We need someone who gets us out of all these useless wars. Problem is none of the Dems and Reps would do that.

Aha. Which wars?

I'm one of those people who thinks that unless a nation shows a clear and present danger to the Sovereignty of this nation, that we shouldn't have gone to war in the first place. I feel Iraq was unnecessary. I do understand Afghanistan was needed as they harbored the terrorists who instituted 9/11. But if we did not intrude into Iraq, then there was a large chance that we would not have seen the insurgence of ISIL/ISIS/IS. I also think that we need to cut a large chunk of our Foreign Aide, as that is a drain on our governments funds.

All of these things Republicans and Democrats would not do in our lifetime.

[The Black Forrest]

Jeb Bush. Rand & other pussies would be disaster. His foreign policy is even worse than Obamas. We need someone who projects strength, not weakness.

We need someone who gets us out of all these useless wars. Problem is none of the Dems and Reps would do that.

Oh an there is a third party who will?

[Shazbotdom]

We need someone who gets us out of all these useless wars. Problem is none of the Dems and Reps would do that.

Oh an there is a third party who will?

Libertarians have been fighting to bring all of our troops home from abroad for years.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Oh an there is a third party who will?

Libertarians have been fighting to bring all of our troops home from abroad for years.

I have a feeling the Greens would too. *shrugs* Not that I like the a Greens, just noting.

[The Liberated Territories]

Everybody who doesn't have an interest in the middle east because they fear brown people and terrorists, really.

And our actions from a fiscal perspective are actually more expensive than just trading with the damn sheiks.

[DBJ]

Aha. Which wars?

I'm one of those people who thinks that unless a nation shows a clear and present danger to the Sovereignty of this nation, that we shouldn't have gone to war in the first place. I feel Iraq was unnecessary. I do understand Afghanistan was needed as they harbored the terrorists who instituted 9/11. But if we did not intrude into Iraq, then there was a large chance that we would not have seen the insurgence of ISIL/ISIS/IS. I also think that we need to cut a large chunk of our Foreign Aide, as that is a drain on our governments funds.

All of these things Republicans and Democrats would not do in our lifetime.

ISIS gained traction in syria because we didn't intervene. There were many mistakes made in Iraq and Afghanistan, leaving too early was the worst.

[Socialist Tera]

Everybody who doesn't have an interest in the middle east because they fear brown people and terrorists, really.

And our actions from a fiscal perspective are actually more expensive than just trading with the damn sheiks.

The US has been there 20 years doing war-crimes against people in the middle east, it is the focus of their foreign policy, maybe the US should get the fucked out of the middle east because people are sick of the US interfering.

[Washington Resistance Army]

I'm one of those people who thinks that unless a nation shows a clear and present danger to the Sovereignty of this nation, that we shouldn't have gone to war in the first place. I feel Iraq was unnecessary. I do understand Afghanistan was needed as they harbored the terrorists who instituted 9/11. But if we did not intrude into Iraq, then there was a large chance that we would not have seen the insurgence of ISIL/ISIS/IS. I also think that we need to cut a large chunk of our Foreign Aide, as that is a drain on our governments funds.

All of these things Republicans and Democrats would not do in our lifetime.

ISIS gained traction in syria because we didn't intervene. There were many mistakes made in Iraq and Afghanistan, leaving too early was the worst.

Daesh gained traction in Syria because the SAA units in the north east weren't very experienced and most of the heavy fighting with the rebels was going on in the west. It's also worth noting that the Syrian government has been steadily beating back Daesh and retaking territory. If anything what we should have done was help Assad.

[DBJ]

ISIS gained traction in syria because we didn't intervene. There were many mistakes made in Iraq and Afghanistan, leaving too early was the worst.

Daesh gained traction in Syria because the SAA units in the north east weren't very experienced and most of the heavy fighting with the rebels was going on in the west. It's also worth noting that the Syrian government has been steadily beating back Daesh and retaking territory. If anything what we should have done was help Assad.

Sure, let's help a crazy dictator who slaughters his own population.

[The Liberated Territories]

Everybody who doesn't have an interest in the middle east because they fear brown people and terrorists, really.

And our actions from a fiscal perspective are actually more expensive than just trading with the damn sheiks.

The US has been there 20 years doing war-crimes against people in the middle east, it is the focus of their foreign policy, maybe the US should get the fucked out of the middle east because people are sick of the US interfering.

I am inclined to agree. America first, no foreign entanglements, etc. Besides, it's not like those moochers ever gave America any support. Is the middle east grateful of nationbuilding? Nah they just want to bomb each other while destroying taxpayer's money. Imagine if we decided to blow up the statue of liberty in front of the French after they gave her to us. Yeah.

[Jute]

Rand Paul is too busy being Hypocritical while Marco Rubio is too busy trying to get the Gays to vote for them (kind of failing at it too).

Not kidding with the last part.

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/marco-rubio- ... y-marriage

Apparently trying to find a middle ground, and with that probably ending up getting the votes of neither side...

[Dyakovo]

I'm one of those people who thinks that unless a nation shows a clear and present danger to the Sovereignty of this nation, that we shouldn't have gone to war in the first place. I feel Iraq was unnecessary. I do understand Afghanistan was needed as they harbored the terrorists who instituted 9/11. But if we did not intrude into Iraq, then there was a large chance that we would not have seen the insurgence of ISIL/ISIS/IS. I also think that we need to cut a large chunk of our Foreign Aide, as that is a drain on our governments funds.

All of these things Republicans and Democrats would not do in our lifetime.

ISIS gained traction in syria because we didn't intervene. There were many mistakes made in Iraq and Afghanistan, leaving too early was the worst.

No, our worst decision was invading Iraq in the first place. Also, we left when we did because we were asked to by Iraq's government.

[Washington Resistance Army]

Daesh gained traction in Syria because the SAA units in the north east weren't very experienced and most of the heavy fighting with the rebels was going on in the west. It's also worth noting that the Syrian government has been steadily beating back Daesh and retaking territory. If anything what we should have done was help Assad.

Sure, let's help a crazy dictator who slaughters his own population.

What exactly should one do when a civil war starts? Besides it wouldn't be the first time we've done it.

[Ashmoria]

Sure, let's help a crazy dictator who slaughters his own population.

What exactly should one do when a civil war starts? Besides it wouldn't be the first time we've done it.

one should try to stay out of it.

assad isn't our friend. we had/have no reason to try to keep him in power.

[Washington Resistance Army]

What exactly should one do when a civil war starts? Besides it wouldn't be the first time we've done it.

one should try to stay out of it.

assad isn't our friend. we had/have no reason to try to keep him in power.

Regional stability is a pretty good thing.