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Which Candidate Do You Support?

Ted Cruz
20
3%
Marco Rubio
65
11%
Rand Paul
98
17%
Ben Carson
53
9%
Carly Fiorina
18
3%
Jeb Bush
31
5%
Chris Christie
9
2%
John Kasich
42
7%
Donald Trump
151
26%
Someone else
92
16%
 
Total votes : 579

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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Fri Apr 24, 2015 5:18 pm

The problem is, sudden and large increases to a minimum wage can throw the markets into chaos and cause mass inflation.
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Postby Patridam » Fri Apr 24, 2015 5:20 pm

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:The problem is, sudden and large increases to a minimum wage can throw the markets into chaos and cause mass inflation.


It's not the 2.6% of workers that make minimum wage that's the problem, it's the 30% of workers who earn less than $11 an hour. The whole wage scale of semi-skilled or promoted-unskilled jobs would be thrown off, and inflation (which is not great as it is; the Obama administration has been downplaying it) would skyrocket.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Fri Apr 24, 2015 5:22 pm

Patridam wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:The problem is, sudden and large increases to a minimum wage can throw the markets into chaos and cause mass inflation.


It's not the 2.6% of workers that make minimum wage that's the problem, it's the 30% of workers who earn less than $11 an hour. The whole wage scale of semi-skilled or promoted-unskilled jobs would be thrown off, and inflation (which is not great as it is; the Obama administration has been downplaying it) would skyrocket.

Because with any capitalistic society, social inequality is necisary.
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Postby Ashmoria » Fri Apr 24, 2015 5:26 pm

The Wolven League wrote:
Bachmann America wrote:For those who are wondering to why I consider Jeb Bush to be such a left winger here are the reasons.

He supported the murder of Terry Shiavo, opposes a federal marriage amendment, supports contraceptive and abortion, and supports amnesty for illegals. He also supports affirmative action, opposes English Only, supports common core, hates business, and wants us to "respect" the homosexual lifestyle. Furthermore he refuses to call out global warming as a hoax and he supports forcing parents to inject their kids with poisonous chemicals. And he is an evolutionist.

How are any of those bad?

so few of them are TRUE.
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Postby Patridam » Fri Apr 24, 2015 5:29 pm

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Patridam wrote:
It's not the 2.6% of workers that make minimum wage that's the problem, it's the 30% of workers who earn less than $11 an hour. The whole wage scale of semi-skilled or promoted-unskilled jobs would be thrown off, and inflation (which is not great as it is; the Obama administration has been downplaying it) would skyrocket.

Because with any capitalistic society, social inequality is necessary.


Well, yes; I'm probably as capitalistic as you, so.... what?

What I was saying was that the inflation you speak of would not really stem from the people currently at minimum wage, since that portion's actually pretty small, but instead from the large amount of worker who make less than the proposed target to which minimum wage would be raised. You have all sorts of jobs at 9 or 10 bucks an hour that would have to be raised to 12 or 13 if the minimum was raised to 10, for example. All of those wage increases means inflation out the wazoo.
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Fri Apr 24, 2015 5:29 pm

Bachmann America wrote:For those who are wondering to why I consider Jeb Bush to be such a left winger here are the reasons.

He supported the murder of Terry Shiavo, opposes a federal marriage amendment, supports contraceptive and abortion, and supports amnesty for illegals. He also supports affirmative action, opposes English Only, supports common core, hates business, and wants us to "respect" the homosexual lifestyle. Furthermore he refuses to call out global warming as a hoax and he supports forcing parents to inject their kids with poisonous chemicals. And he is an evolutionist.

Wow, this gave me much more respect for Jeb Bush.
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Postby Patridam » Fri Apr 24, 2015 5:31 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
Bachmann America wrote:For those who are wondering to why I consider Jeb Bush to be such a left winger here are the reasons.

He supported the murder of Terry Shiavo, opposes a federal marriage amendment, supports contraceptive and abortion, and supports amnesty for illegals. He also supports affirmative action, opposes English Only, supports common core, hates business, and wants us to "respect" the homosexual lifestyle. Furthermore he refuses to call out global warming as a hoax and he supports forcing parents to inject their kids with poisonous chemicals. And he is an evolutionist.

Wow, this gave me much more respect for Jeb Bush.


I am never sure whether Bachmann America is making stuff up or not.
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Fri Apr 24, 2015 5:31 pm

Patridam wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:Wow, this gave me much more respect for Jeb Bush.


I am never sure whether Bachmann America is making stuff up or not.

True. I'm half sure they're a satire account.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Fri Apr 24, 2015 5:31 pm

Patridam wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:Wow, this gave me much more respect for Jeb Bush.


I am never sure whether Bachmann America is making stuff up or not.

I'm more concerned that people agree with the crap he/she is spewing.
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Postby Dyakovo » Fri Apr 24, 2015 5:32 pm

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Patridam wrote:
It's not the 2.6% of workers that make minimum wage that's the problem, it's the 30% of workers who earn less than $11 an hour. The whole wage scale of semi-skilled or promoted-unskilled jobs would be thrown off, and inflation (which is not great as it is; the Obama administration has been downplaying it) would skyrocket.

Because with any capitalistic society, social inequality is necisary.

No, social inequality is not necessary. Some income inequality is necessary.
As to Patri's comment about the rate of inflation...
It is low and not a cause for concern. The hyperinflation that right-wing talking heads have been screaming warnings about due to a Democrat being elected hasn't, and isn't going to, come.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Fri Apr 24, 2015 5:32 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
Patridam wrote:
I am never sure whether Bachmann America is making stuff up or not.

True. I'm half sure they're a satire account.

Not every conservative is a satire account.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Fri Apr 24, 2015 5:33 pm

Dyakovo wrote:http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-states/inflation-cpi
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Because with any capitalistic society, social inequality is necisary.

No, social inequality is not necessary. Some income inequality is necessary.
As to [b]Patri[/]'s comment about the rate of inflation...
It is low and not a cause for concern. The hyperinflation that right-wing talking heads have been screaming warnings about due to a Democrat being elected hasn't, and isn't going to, come.

If people are equal, they have no drive to do better. You have to give people something to aim for.
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Postby Dyakovo » Fri Apr 24, 2015 5:34 pm

Patridam wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:Wow, this gave me much more respect for Jeb Bush.


I am never sure whether Bachmann America is making stuff up or not.

I'm guessing it's a Poe.
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Fri Apr 24, 2015 5:34 pm

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:True. I'm half sure they're a satire account.

Not every conservative is a satire account.

Of course not. But to imagine that someone is actually this into the ideology of Michelle Bachmann is nigh unfathomable. People that blatantly ignore facts and base so much of their beliefs on a false supernatural being are difficult to take seriously.
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Postby Ashmoria » Fri Apr 24, 2015 5:36 pm

Patridam wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:Wow, this gave me much more respect for Jeb Bush.


I am never sure whether Bachmann America is making stuff up or not.

of course he is

terry shaivo wasn't murdered and jeb bush went far beyond reason to keep her alive.

I don't know how he feels about a federal marriage amendment but it is irrelevant as it is never going to happen

he is anti abortion and is probably pro-contraception like all rational people are

he supports a pathway to citizenship for illegal aliens

I don't know about English only

he IS a founder of common core

he doesn't hate business

he isn't pro-gay (but he I don't think he is an asshole about it)

he is a climate change skeptic, only a fool is anti-vaxx, and no one is an evolutionist.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Fri Apr 24, 2015 5:37 pm

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Not every conservative is a satire account.

Of course not. But to imagine that someone is actually this into the ideology of Michelle Bachmann is nigh unfathomable. People that blatantly ignore facts and base so much of their beliefs on a false supernatural being are difficult to take seriously.

Believe me...they do exist. It's scary, but they exist.
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Postby The Republic of Gardium » Fri Apr 24, 2015 5:44 pm

I think Scott Walker could unite the party. Ted Cruz is alright, but I think he ticks off people in his own party, and may scare off moderates. I could see supporting Rand Paul as well, I think he could get a lot of support from Republicans and Independents.

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Postby Mondoncon » Fri Apr 24, 2015 5:44 pm

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:Of course not. But to imagine that someone is actually this into the ideology of Michelle Bachmann is nigh unfathomable. People that blatantly ignore facts and base so much of their beliefs on a false supernatural being are difficult to take seriously.

Believe me...they do exist. It's scary, but they exist.

Their habitat is most commonly known as "Minutus Villus Americanus", or Small Town America.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Fri Apr 24, 2015 5:45 pm

The Republic of Gardium wrote:I think Scott Walker could unite the party. Ted Cruz is alright, but I think he ticks off people in his own party, and may scare off moderates. I could see supporting Rand Paul as well, I think he could get a lot of support from Republicans and Independents.

Cruz would be political suicide in the national election.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Fri Apr 24, 2015 5:45 pm

Mondoncon wrote:
Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Believe me...they do exist. It's scary, but they exist.

Their habitat is most commonly known as "Minutus Villus Americanus", or Small Town America.

Although, 'the past' would be a better place for some of those ideas.
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Postby Dyakovo » Fri Apr 24, 2015 5:48 pm

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Mondoncon wrote:Their habitat is most commonly known as "Minutus Villus Americanus", or Small Town America.

Although, 'the past' would be a better place for some of those ideas.

Or all of them...
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Greater vakolicci haven wrote:Although, 'the past' would be a better place for some of those ideas.

Or all of them...

Not the economic ideas.
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Postby AiliailiA » Fri Apr 24, 2015 5:52 pm

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:Some income inequality is necessary.

If people are equal, they have no drive to do better. You have to give people something to aim for.


Don't fight Patridam's strawman "Social Democrat". Dyakovo doesn't advocate income equality, and I don't either.

A policy for income equality would look like this: mimimum wage (40 hour week, 50 week year) $50,000. Marginal tax rate above $50,000 should be 100%.

Do you see anyone here advocating that? None of us believe in perfect income equality.
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Postby Dyakovo » Fri Apr 24, 2015 5:57 pm

Greater vakolicci haven wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:Or all of them...

Not the economic ideas.

Bachmann's economic ideas are straight out of the 19th century. They can go back there.
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Postby Page » Fri Apr 24, 2015 5:59 pm

Bachmann America wrote:For those who are wondering to why I consider Jeb Bush to be such a left winger here are the reasons.

He supported the murder of Terry Shiavo, opposes a federal marriage amendment, supports contraceptive and abortion, and supports amnesty for illegals. He also supports affirmative action, opposes English Only, supports common core, hates business, and wants us to "respect" the homosexual lifestyle. Furthermore he refuses to call out global warming as a hoax and he supports forcing parents to inject their kids with poisonous chemicals. And he is an evolutionist.


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