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Which Candidate Do You Support?

Ted Cruz
20
3%
Marco Rubio
65
11%
Rand Paul
98
17%
Ben Carson
53
9%
Carly Fiorina
18
3%
Jeb Bush
31
5%
Chris Christie
9
2%
John Kasich
42
7%
Donald Trump
151
26%
Someone else
92
16%
 
Total votes : 579

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The Black Forrest
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Postby The Black Forrest » Thu Jun 25, 2015 8:14 pm

Papal Republics wrote:
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No worries. A bad day at work so I am having a little liquid happiness ;)


Don't worry about it. Even if I agree with a lot of Republican ideas on health care (hence my support for bipartisan plans), the party's attitude is inchoate and obstructive.


Indeed it is. This batch is really bad. I am not one who supports parties. I try to measure ideas. You may have some batshit crazy ideas but if the majority sound good, I will support you.

This party has made me vote democrat or third party.....
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Postby Wolfenia » Thu Jun 25, 2015 8:15 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Arlenton wrote:what the hell is happening to our party? >:(

You should have asked that question back in 2010. :p


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Postby Arlenton » Thu Jun 25, 2015 10:11 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Arlenton wrote:what the hell is happening to our party? >:(

You should have asked that question back in 2010. :p

I'm pretty happy with the party in 2010.
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Postby Geilinor » Thu Jun 25, 2015 10:17 pm

Arlenton wrote:
Geilinor wrote:You should have asked that question back in 2010. :p

I'm pretty happy with the party in 2010.

What about the Tea Party wave?
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Postby Arlenton » Thu Jun 25, 2015 10:24 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Arlenton wrote:I'm pretty happy with the party in 2010.

What about the Tea Party wave?

What about them?

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Postby Geilinor » Thu Jun 25, 2015 10:27 pm

Arlenton wrote:
Geilinor wrote:What about the Tea Party wave?

What about them?

I'm saying that's when your slide towards candidates like Donald Trump began. Any earlier and people like him would have been laughed off the stage.
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Postby Arlenton » Thu Jun 25, 2015 10:35 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Arlenton wrote:What about them?

I'm saying that's when your slide towards candidates like Donald Trump began. Any earlier and people like him would have been laughed off the stage.

I don't see how it's related. Trump is a joke candidate, some of his policies can line up with the tea party, but they aren't joke candidates, he is.

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Postby Ashmoria » Sat Jun 27, 2015 4:58 am

Nusantao wrote:Why is Donald Trump not on this list? I support Donald Trump. I want to see Trump vs Biden in 2016.

the debates would be epic. the man who knows nothing vs the man who knows everything.
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Postby Zurkerx » Sat Jun 27, 2015 7:55 am

Arlenton wrote:Why is Trump in second what the hell is happening to our party? >:(


That did scare me to say the least but, it will be short live. Trump speaking his own mind will be the reason he won't go far. A better question to ask is whether or not the party will change (IE go with Paul or the bat looney Trump), choose another established candidate (IE Bush), or go with social conservative (IE Santorum).

I do not see them doing well if they pick the latter, especially with the recent SCOTUS ruling.
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Postby Nordengrund » Sat Jun 27, 2015 9:16 am

The election is going to be really interesting.

The GOP has made a comeback, just look at Congress. However, I don't know if they can win the White House.

I think the whole gay marriage thing was an effort by the Democratic Party to win more voters. "Hooray! We are finally making progress!" kind of thing.
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Postby Borovan4 » Sat Jun 27, 2015 9:31 am

Probably only if the Republicans came up with interesting ideas.

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Postby Roosevelt and Truman » Sat Jun 27, 2015 9:32 am

Nordengrund wrote:I think the whole gay marriage thing was an effort by the Democratic Party to win more voters. "Hooray! We are finally making progress!" kind of thing.


The Dems support gay rights, strict financial regulations, health care reform, etc. The GOP supports hiked military spending, repealing health reform without a solid plan for moving forward (aka what we had before), deregulation of Wall Street, etc.

I don't care if they're doing it "to win more voters." The Democratic Party supports better policy.
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Postby Our Governator » Sat Jun 27, 2015 10:08 am

Roosevelt and Truman wrote:
Nordengrund wrote:I think the whole gay marriage thing was an effort by the Democratic Party to win more voters. "Hooray! We are finally making progress!" kind of thing.


The Dems support gay rights, strict financial regulations, health care reform, etc. The GOP supports hiked military spending, repealing health reform without a solid plan for moving forward (aka what we had before), deregulation of Wall Street, etc.

I don't care if they're doing it "to win more voters." The Democratic Party supports better policy.

I think that the problem with the GOP is that they really don't have much of a plan, I agree. If the national committee would finally say, "flat tax. complete deregulation of healthcare." I'd be much more inclined to actively campaign for them, but as it stands I have trouble supporting people who can't even get the incredibly unpopular medical device tax repealed.
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Postby Nordengrund » Sat Jun 27, 2015 10:36 am

Our Governator wrote:
Roosevelt and Truman wrote:
The Dems support gay rights, strict financial regulations, health care reform, etc. The GOP supports hiked military spending, repealing health reform without a solid plan for moving forward (aka what we had before), deregulation of Wall Street, etc.

I don't care if they're doing it "to win more voters." The Democratic Party supports better policy.

I think that the problem with the GOP is that they really don't have much of a plan, I agree. If the national committee would finally say, "flat tax. complete deregulation of healthcare." I'd be much more inclined to actively campaign for them, but as it stands I have trouble supporting people who can't even get the incredibly unpopular medical device tax repealed.


I agree. I like the party's platform, but the GOP needs to get a backbone and stop giving into the Democrats.
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Postby Geilinor » Sat Jun 27, 2015 6:58 pm

Nordengrund wrote:The election is going to be really interesting.

The GOP has made a comeback, just look at Congress. However, I don't know if they can win the White House.

I think the whole gay marriage thing was an effort by the Democratic Party to win more voters. "Hooray! We are finally making progress!" kind of thing.

We did make progress, it's a fact.
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Postby Geilinor » Sat Jun 27, 2015 6:59 pm

Nordengrund wrote:
Our Governator wrote:I think that the problem with the GOP is that they really don't have much of a plan, I agree. If the national committee would finally say, "flat tax. complete deregulation of healthcare." I'd be much more inclined to actively campaign for them, but as it stands I have trouble supporting people who can't even get the incredibly unpopular medical device tax repealed.


I agree. I like the party's platform, but the GOP needs to get a backbone and stop giving into the Democrats.

"Giving in" is not the GOP's problem, I shudder to think that your solution is less compromise.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Sat Jun 27, 2015 7:07 pm

Nordengrund wrote:
Our Governator wrote:I think that the problem with the GOP is that they really don't have much of a plan, I agree. If the national committee would finally say, "flat tax. complete deregulation of healthcare." I'd be much more inclined to actively campaign for them, but as it stands I have trouble supporting people who can't even get the incredibly unpopular medical device tax repealed.


I agree. I like the party's platform, but the GOP needs to get a backbone and stop giving into the Democrats.


Giving in? :rofl:

If they done that, then congress might have accomplished a few things.
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* I felt like Ayn Rand cornered me at a party, and three minutes in I found my first objection to what she was saying, but she kept talking without interruption for ten more days. - Max Barry talking about Atlas Shrugged

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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Sat Jun 27, 2015 7:26 pm

Papal Republics wrote:
Geilinor wrote:You should have asked that question back in 2010. :p


Let's fix the Affordable Care Act with liberal and conservative ideas to make it work better for Americans.

Repeal and replace Obamacare!

Looks around for primary challengers.

It's better than the GOP's non-plan. Though universal healthcare would obviously be better.
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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Sat Jun 27, 2015 7:27 pm

Nordengrund wrote:I agree. I like the party's platform, but the GOP needs to get a backbone and stop giving into the Democrats.

Because shutting down the damn government just doesn't go far enough.
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Postby Geilinor » Sat Jun 27, 2015 7:28 pm

Arlenton wrote:
Geilinor wrote:I'm saying that's when your slide towards candidates like Donald Trump began. Any earlier and people like him would have been laughed off the stage.

I don't see how it's related. Trump is a joke candidate, some of his policies can line up with the tea party, but they aren't joke candidates, he is.

A lot of Democrats consider the entire field a clown car.
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Postby Wolfenia » Sat Jun 27, 2015 7:32 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Arlenton wrote:What about them?

I'm saying that's when your slide towards candidates like Donald Trump began. Any earlier and people like him would have been laughed off the stage.


Ultraconservatives of that type have been running since Pat Buchanan. These candiates are more likley to have clot when the party does not hold the presidency, it's the same an ultra-left (or really just a centrist by international standards) candiate that would have ran in 2004 or 2008 (Dennis Kucinich). Well, usually the centrist is less insane. But, the point stands.

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Postby Zurkerx » Sat Jun 27, 2015 7:42 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Arlenton wrote:I don't see how it's related. Trump is a joke candidate, some of his policies can line up with the tea party, but they aren't joke candidates, he is.

A lot of Democrats consider the entire field a clown car.


I wouldn't consider all of them clowns per say, there are a few serious ones but, most are clowns and won't go anywhere.
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Postby Marylandonia » Sat Jun 27, 2015 8:22 pm

Zurkerx wrote:
Geilinor wrote:A lot of Democrats consider the entire field a clown car.


I wouldn't consider all of them clowns per say, there are a few serious ones but, most are clowns and won't go anywhere.


The ones that aren't Bozos still have some freak show ideas. Such as SSM ruling must be overturned by a constitutional amendment. Really?
Walker is on the record for that one, as well as clown Cruz.
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Postby Patridam » Sat Jun 27, 2015 8:26 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Arlenton wrote:I don't see how it's related. Trump is a joke candidate, some of his policies can line up with the tea party, but they aren't joke candidates, he is.

A lot of Democrats consider the entire field a clown car.


And their opinion is about as relevant/useful as the 'impeach obama' stickers on the back of pickup trucks. Neither side respects the other.

Some of the candidates have a snowball's chance in hell of winning, yes; like Jindal and hopefully Trump. But there are certainly some serious candidates in the field, ones at least as serious as Romney the last time around (including Rick Santorum in a roughly similar polling position).
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Postby Sanctissima » Sat Jun 27, 2015 8:27 pm

Well, I think it's safe to say that Hillary's won. No one in her own party seems to have a shot at beating her, and the Republican candidates are a joke. All the GOP is missing for their primary is Sarah Palin and Clint Eastwood.

Maybe Arnold too.

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