[US Election 2016] Republican Primary Megathread

[Calimera II]

My results:

1. Hillary Clinton
2. Jeb Bush
3. Rick Santorum
4. Bernie Sanders
5. Marco Rubio
6. Ted Cruz

[Insaeldor]

Jeb's announent speech is kinda shit. Pretty much all hes said so far is that he aims to grown the economy by 4% and didn't give a time frame for such I couldn't tell if he ment in his term as a whole or in the first fiscal year of presidency. Other than that it's really just been a lot of fluff and going "I was good in Florida I'll be good for all of America!".

Maybe he'll say something more meaningful but that literally all I've gotten out of his speech.

[Grave_n_idle]

My results:

1. Hillary Clinton
2. Jeb Bush
3. Rick Santorum
4. Bernie Sanders
5. Marco Rubio
6. Ted Cruz


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Well that's a mixed bag.

[Calimera II]

My results:

1. Hillary Clinton
2. Jeb Bush
3. Rick Santorum
4. Bernie Sanders
5. Marco Rubio
6. Ted Cruz


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Well that's a mixed bag.

Yup. I doesn't clarify anything...

[Liberty and Linguistics]

Frankly, Jeb seems as if he has few constructive and genuine policies, but he instead relies on cheap rhetoric. I expected nothing better. I really can't find a candidate I'd vote for.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Frankly, Jeb seems as if he has few constructive and genuine policies, but he instead relies on cheap rhetoric. I expected nothing better. I really can't find a candidate I'd vote for.

You just listed every candidate but Sanders, and I suspect that while he has no lack of constructive and genuine policies, they're not necessarily the type that you'd be inclined to support.

[Ashworth-Attwater]

My results:

1. Hillary Clinton
2. Jeb Bush
3. Rick Santorum
4. Bernie Sanders
5. Marco Rubio
6. Ted Cruz


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>rick santorum on domestic and social issues

I hope the test is wrong.

[Urbane Night Guardian]

With his official announcement today as a candidate for the 2016 Republican Nomination for President, Jeb Bush invoked his family ties several times. He also made promises to fix many of the problems the country has struggled with for roughly over the past 25+ years. The major problem with this rhetoric is that his father and brother were president during about half of those years. Is Bush III a realistic solution to our troubles in the USA? Can he and the Republican Congress save the shrinking middle class? Will he abolish the Affordable Care Act and replace it with nothing? Will he increase our involvement in the Middle Eastern quagmire his brother had so mismanaged? And will there be yet another banking crisis as there was with the Savings and Loan/Keating 5 debacle during his father's administration (involving son Neil Bush) and the un-forgetable "Too Big To Fail" bail out of the major banking institution which his brother Geo. W. presided over? IMHO, this candidate is out of his mind in thinking he will not be completely rebuked by the electorate. Mainly, Jeb has an anchor around his neck in the form of brother George W. whom he had aided as governor in his victory during the 2000 presidential election's Florida recount situation. What will Geo. W. do for Jeb during this campaign? Should Geo. W. hide out on his ranch or alternatively be an adviser to his brothers campaign? And perhaps I am dead wrong and somehow Jeb shall be elected the 45th POTUS. Will he name W to his cabinet or maybe even to the US Supreme Court? Weigh in on the dynamics of the relationship between Jeb and his brother, ex-president George W. Bush, and the rest of the Bush clan.

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I do not see how in the world he sees himself winning the nomination, much less the general election with all of that baggage. And I did not mention his mother, lol.[/quote]

The way that he'll win is by portraying the other candidates as utterly unelectable. He'll do a right-pivot during the nomination process, talk a good game about red meat issues without coming across as too scary, and he'll get the establishment big business backing. Essentially, he'll put himself across as the one who can win, much like Romney did and McCain did, and the collective memory of the American public is such that they'll buy it.

Your scenario would typify a perfect run for him to the nomination. But he will have problems defending against the charge which you mention in your first sentence. He has that unelectable smell for the general in November. I think they all do as the recent trend in the electoral college strongly favors Democratic candidates. His immigration stance will sour Tea Party types. His wife is Mexican. That will rankle them. His daughter, Noelle, was busted for writing her own Rx for Xanax. Someone will at least allude to that amongst his rivals. However, he will get the big business backing unless he is thoroughly overtaken, they know the Bush product and love it. I don't think Romney and McCain are that much parallels as you may have suggested. Jeb's path seems more like Romney's - win the primaries in the blue states (if he can slide by Paul). And yes the American voters' cumulative memory is sadly short...except when it comes to an economic disaster (see Hoover). Bush is the name linked with the latest crisis.

So if he gets the perfect primary run then he needs a perfect break in the general. The Dem will need to make unforced errors for him to win (thinking of a tank ride right now).

[Ashmoria]

Jeb's announent speech is kinda shit. Pretty much all hes said so far is that he aims to grown the economy by 4% and didn't give a time frame for such I couldn't tell if he ment in his term as a whole or in the first fiscal year of presidency. Other than that it's really just been a lot of fluff and going "I was good in Florida I'll be good for all of America!".

Maybe he'll say something more meaningful but that literally all I've gotten out of his speech.

it was full of stuff with no indication of HOW he would get more jobs, HOW he would have 4% growth (why didn't president Obama think of just saying it! its some kind of magic formula) or HOW he would improve education while getting the federal government out of education.

[Urbane Night Guardian]

Jeb's announent speech is kinda shit. Pretty much all hes said so far is that he aims to grown the economy by 4% and didn't give a time frame for such I couldn't tell if he ment in his term as a whole or in the first fiscal year of presidency. Other than that it's really just been a lot of fluff and going "I was good in Florida I'll be good for all of America!".

Maybe he'll say something more meaningful but that literally all I've gotten out of his speech.

I wonder where that idea came from??? Omigod.


The 4% Solution: Unleashing the Economic Growth America Needs
From Wikipedia
The 4% Solution: Unleashing the Economic Growth America Needs
Authors George W. Bush,
James K. Glassman, Brendan Miniter, W. Michael Cox, Richard Alm, Robert Lucas, Jr., Edward C. Prescott, Steven Gjerstad, Vernon L. Smith, Kevin Hassett, David Malpass, Myron Schole,s Peter G. Klein, Robert Litan, Nick Schulz, Maria Minniti, Carlos Guttierez, Steven F. Hayward, Kenneth P. Green, Charles Blahous, Jason J. Fichtne,r Eric Hanushek, Gary Becker, Pia M. Orrenius, Madeline Zavodny, E. Floyd Kvamme ,Amity Shlaes, Michael Novak.
Publication date
July 17, 2012

The 4% Solution: Unleashing the Economic Growth America Needs is a 2012 non-fiction book. Alongside a foreword by President George W. Bush, it features articles from academics and businesspeople, including five winners of the Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences.

Background

The book is the first one published by the George W. Bush Institute, a think tank located at the George W. Bush Presidential Center on the campus of Southern Methodist University in Dallas, Texas. The foreword is written by George W. Bush, who served as the 43rd President of the United States from 2000 to 2008. At the end of his presidency, the nation was on its way to a Great Recession due to a downturn in the economy and the financial crisis of 2008. In May 2011, James Glassman, the Founding Executive Director of the George W. Bush Institute, published an article in the National Review calling for free market solutions to the recession, which would lead to four percent growth. Later, the institute decides to publish a full-fledged book about it, and Glassman wrote the introduction.

Seriously Jeb? Are you thinking of a third Geo. W. Bush term in some respects with this brilliant idea of yours with you as the defacto head since W. is ineligible? That is what it makes me think of looking at this and then drawing the connection from your limp speech today. Just the people I want to take a lesson from in economics....NOT!

[Patridam]

oh yeah I forgot about rand paul. there is enthusiasm for him. (I don't understand it but it certainly exists)

but you aren't EXCITED about santorum, are you?

Excited? No, I wouldn't go so far as to say that. I do like the man, he seems honest, self-made, and fairly moral; but I don't really agree with all of his opinions, especially on social matters. I'd still rather him in the office than many of the other potentials.

I would be more excited about Rand than I am if I wasn't somewhat pessimistic concerning his chances of winning the nomination. The specific excitement most people have towards him is mostly in the hope that he is 'new' and 'different' and can breathe youth and life into a dusty old party.

listening to jeb's speech....he has a very enthusiastic crowd who love his speech without specifics.

Honesty, pretty much any candidate can get together enough people to make an enthusiastic crowd. Except Ted Cruz, that is.

[Ashmoria]

oh yeah I forgot about rand paul. there is enthusiasm for him. (I don't understand it but it certainly exists)

but you aren't EXCITED about santorum, are you?

Excited? No, I wouldn't go so far as to say that. I do like the man, he seems honest, self-made, and fairly moral; but I don't really agree with all of his opinions, especially on social matters. I'd still rather him in the office than many of the other potentials.

I would be more excited about Rand than I am if I wasn't somewhat pessimistic concerning his chances of winning the nomination. The specific excitement most people have towards him is mostly in the hope that he is 'new' and 'different' and can breathe youth and life into a dusty old party.

listening to jeb's speech....he has a very enthusiastic crowd who love his speech without specifics.

Honesty, pretty much any candidate can get together enough people to make an enthusiastic crowd. Except Ted Cruz, that is.

having people who are there willingly is the key to an enthusiastic crowd.

[Ashmoria]

Jeb's announent speech is kinda shit. Pretty much all hes said so far is that he aims to grown the economy by 4% and didn't give a time frame for such I couldn't tell if he ment in his term as a whole or in the first fiscal year of presidency. Other than that it's really just been a lot of fluff and going "I was good in Florida I'll be good for all of America!".

Maybe he'll say something more meaningful but that literally all I've gotten out of his speech.

I wonder where that idea came from??? Omigod.


The 4% Solution: Unleashing the Economic Growth America Needs
From Wikipedia
The 4% Solution: Unleashing the Economic Growth America Needs
Authors George W. Bush,
James K. Glassman, Brendan Miniter, W. Michael Cox, Richard Alm, Robert Lucas, Jr., Edward C. Prescott, Steven Gjerstad, Vernon L. Smith, Kevin Hassett, David Malpass, Myron Schole,s Peter G. Klein, Robert Litan, Nick Schulz, Maria Minniti, Carlos Guttierez, Steven F. Hayward, Kenneth P. Green, Charles Blahous, Jason J. Fichtne,r Eric Hanushek, Gary Becker, Pia M. Orrenius, Madeline Zavodny, E. Floyd Kvamme ,Amity Shlaes, Michael Novak.
Publication date
July 17, 2012

The 4% Solution: Unleashing the Economic Growth America Needs is a 2012 non-fiction book. Alongside a foreword by President George W. Bush, it features articles from academics and businesspeople, including five winners of the Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences.

Background

The book is the first one published by the George W. Bush Institute, a think tank located at the George W. Bush Presidential Center on the campus of Southern Methodist University in Dallas, Texas. The foreword is written by George W. Bush, who served as the 43rd President of the United States from 2000 to 2008. At the end of his presidency, the nation was on its way to a Great Recession due to a downturn in the economy and the financial crisis of 2008. In May 2011, James Glassman, the Founding Executive Director of the George W. Bush Institute, published an article in the National Review calling for free market solutions to the recession, which would lead to four percent growth. Later, the institute decides to publish a full-fledged book about it, and Glassman wrote the introduction.

Seriously Jeb? Are you thinking of a third Geo. W. Bush term in some respects with this brilliant idea of yours with you as the defacto head since W. is ineligible? That is what it makes me think of looking at this and then drawing the connection from your limp speech today. Just the people I want to take a lesson from in economics....NOT!

ooooo urbane, good post!

[Urbane Night Guardian]

oh yeah I forgot about rand paul. there is enthusiasm for him. (I don't understand it but it certainly exists)

but you aren't EXCITED about santorum, are you?

Excited? No, I wouldn't go so far as to say that. I do like the man, he seems honest, self-made, and fairly moral; but I don't really agree with all of his opinions, especially on social matters. I'd still rather him in the office than many of the other potentials.

I would be more excited about Rand than I am if I wasn't somewhat pessimistic concerning his chances of winning the nomination. The specific excitement most people have towards him is mostly in the hope that he is 'new' and 'different' and can breathe youth and life into a dusty old party.

listening to jeb's speech....he has a very enthusiastic crowd who love his speech without specifics.

Honesty, pretty much any candidate can get together enough people to make an enthusiastic crowd. Except Ted Cruz, that is.

Ted Cruz? Liberty University. He definitely has his. Not in your neighborhood though, lol. As for Bush fans, y'all just want more tax cuts at the expense of the social safety net from what I have seen and heard. The hope that he is "new" and "different" only works if this is a Jeb from some parallel dimension where W. died as a small child and not the sister. You want Syfy channel Jeb Bush.

[Osterreich-Bayern]

My results:

1. Hillary Clinton
2. Jeb Bush
3. Rick Santorum
4. Bernie Sanders
5. Marco Rubio
6. Ted Cruz


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You may be the most center man in America (vote bush)

[Patridam]

Ted Cruz? Liberty University. He definitely has his. Not in your neighborhood though, lol.

You did see the kids with R-A-N-D shirts in the background, right? They were forced to be there, and while some kids were enthusiastic, many were not.

As for Bush fans, y'all just want more tax cuts at the expense of the social safety net from what I have seen and heard. The hope that he is "new" and "different" only works if this is a Jeb from some parallel dimension where W. died as a small child and not the sister. You want Syfy channel Jeb Bush.

New and different refers to the hopes held for Rand Paul, not Jeb Bush.

[Osterreich-Bayern]

Jeb's announent speech is kinda shit. Pretty much all hes said so far is that he aims to grown the economy by 4% and didn't give a time frame for such I couldn't tell if he ment in his term as a whole or in the first fiscal year of presidency. Other than that it's really just been a lot of fluff and going "I was good in Florida I'll be good for all of America!".

Maybe he'll say something more meaningful but that literally all I've gotten out of his speech.

based on what he said he is promising 4% growth every year he is president currently around 1.8 % if im not mistaken

[Urbane Night Guardian]

As for Bush fans, y'all just want more tax cuts at the expense of the social safety net from what I have seen and heard. The hope that he is "new" and "different" only works if this is a Jeb from some parallel dimension where W. died as a small child and not the sister. You want Syfy channel Jeb Bush.

New and different refers to the hopes held for Rand Paul, not Jeb Bush.

It might as well be after that performance today from Jeb Bush. Paul is a Rhino.

[Dragonir]

I would vote for Rubio or Bush but i would not vote for clinton

[Patridam]

It might as well be after that performance today from Jeb Bush. Paul is a Rhino.

That'd be a RINO. I'm not sure I'd say that - he's certainly no Democrat - but some of his positions are admittedly unique among the republican running, yes. He's not much of a social conservative - he's mostly supporting the 'moderate' solution of deferring to states with pot, gay marriage, etc. He's also fairly distinct from perhaps everyone in the running (Including Hillary), save Sanders, in his lack of hawkish tendencies. But on economic matters, government spending, taxation, and the environment he is quite to the right.

Jeb Bush is perhaps a 'safe' and 'moderate' choice for the Republican nomination, and I certainly wouldn't call him either new or different.

[Urbane Night Guardian]

It might as well be after that performance today from Jeb Bush. Paul is a Rhino.

That'd be a RINO. I'm not sure I'd say that - he's certainly no Democrat - but some of his positions are admittedly unique among the republican running, yes. He's not much of a social conservative - he's mostly supporting the 'moderate' solution of deferring to states with pot, gay marriage, etc. He's also fairly distinct from perhaps everyone in the running (Including Hillary), save Sanders, in his lack of hawkish tendencies. But on economic matters, government spending, taxation, and the environment he is quite to the right.

Jeb Bush is perhaps a 'safe' and 'moderate' choice for the Republican nomination, and I certainly wouldn't call him either new or different.

Thanks for the spelling lesson All the things you say about Rand (pot, gay marriage, etc.) say he is less than a Rino because there really is no moderate in today's Republican party, they oft them all in primaries recently. Name another Repub that is both pro weed and marriage equality (that is what it is known as in polite company).... just name one that is running or a threat to run.
Rand Paul is a closet Libertarian Party man like his Dad who actually ran as one and he is the best shot you got. Sad state of Republican chances in 2016...YEAH!

[Patridam]

That'd be a RINO. I'm not sure I'd say that - he's certainly no Democrat - but some of his positions are admittedly unique among the republican running, yes. He's not much of a social conservative - he's mostly supporting the 'moderate' solution of deferring to states with pot, gay marriage, etc. He's also fairly distinct from perhaps everyone in the running (Including Hillary), save Sanders, in his lack of hawkish tendencies. But on economic matters, government spending, taxation, and the environment he is quite to the right.

Jeb Bush is perhaps a 'safe' and 'moderate' choice for the Republican nomination, and I certainly wouldn't call him either new or different.

Thanks for the spelling lesson All the things you say about Rand (pot, gay marriage, etc.) say he is less than a Rino because there really is no moderate in today's Republican party, they oft them all in primaries recently. Name another Repub that is both pro weed and marriage equality (that is what it is known as in polite company).... just name one that is running or a threat to run.
Rand Paul is a closet Libertarian Party man like his Dad who actually ran as one and he is the best shot you got. Sad state of Republican chances in 2016...YEAH!

He's not as crazy/extremist as most of the Libertarians. Most of his suggestions are at least possible. While I agree he is different in more than a few ways to most of the other Republicans, he's not like any of the democrats either. But he is an exiting, new, and different force that can pull in minorities and the young rather than just the old republican standbys of the white and/or the elderly. If he ends up against Hillary, it will be interesting because the Democrats will for once be the staid and elderly party with a dynastic candidate that has basically no new ideas.

[Urbane Night Guardian]

But he will not be. The Tea Party will not have him.

[Patridam]

But he will not be. The Tea Party will not have him.

I have my hopes; but yes, it's a longshot to be sure.

[Marylandonia]

Jeb's announent speech is kinda shit. Pretty much all hes said so far is that he aims to grown the economy by 4% and didn't give a time frame for such I couldn't tell if he ment in his term as a whole or in the first fiscal year of presidency. Other than that it's really just been a lot of fluff and going "I was good in Florida I'll be good for all of America!".

Maybe he'll say something more meaningful but that literally all I've gotten out of his speech.

I wonder where that idea came from??? Omigod.


The 4% Solution: Unleashing the Economic Growth America Needs
From Wikipedia
The 4% Solution: Unleashing the Economic Growth America Needs
Authors George W. Bush,
James K. Glassman, Brendan Miniter, W. Michael Cox, Richard Alm, Robert Lucas, Jr., Edward C. Prescott, Steven Gjerstad, Vernon L. Smith, Kevin Hassett, David Malpass, Myron Schole,s Peter G. Klein, Robert Litan, Nick Schulz, Maria Minniti, Carlos Guttierez, Steven F. Hayward, Kenneth P. Green, Charles Blahous, Jason J. Fichtne,r Eric Hanushek, Gary Becker, Pia M. Orrenius, Madeline Zavodny, E. Floyd Kvamme ,Amity Shlaes, Michael Novak.
Publication date
July 17, 2012

The 4% Solution: Unleashing the Economic Growth America Needs is a 2012 non-fiction book. Alongside a foreword by President George W. Bush, it features articles from academics and businesspeople, including five winners of the Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences.

Background

The book is the first one published by the George W. Bush Institute, a think tank located at the George W. Bush Presidential Center on the campus of Southern Methodist University in Dallas, Texas. The foreword is written by George W. Bush, who served as the 43rd President of the United States from 2000 to 2008. At the end of his presidency, the nation was on its way to a Great Recession due to a downturn in the economy and the financial crisis of 2008. In May 2011, James Glassman, the Founding Executive Director of the George W. Bush Institute, published an article in the National Review calling for free market solutions to the recession, which would lead to four percent growth. Later, the institute decides to publish a full-fledged book about it, and Glassman wrote the introduction.

Seriously Jeb? Are you thinking of a third Geo. W. Bush term in some respects with this brilliant idea of yours with you as the defacto head since W. is ineligible? That is what it makes me think of looking at this and then drawing the connection from your limp speech today. Just the people I want to take a lesson from in economics....NOT!

Damn! I forgot about that. Very relevant and telling. Nice job digging it up and posting it.