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Which Candidate Do You Support?

Ted Cruz
20
3%
Marco Rubio
65
11%
Rand Paul
98
17%
Ben Carson
53
9%
Carly Fiorina
18
3%
Jeb Bush
31
5%
Chris Christie
9
2%
John Kasich
42
7%
Donald Trump
151
26%
Someone else
92
16%
 
Total votes : 579

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Postby Patridam » Fri Jun 05, 2015 5:08 am

Eastern Equestria wrote:
Genivaria wrote:I've been seriously considering moving to the UK with my gf things have gotten so bad.
There's practically no safety net in Texas, thanks Rick Perry, you c-nt.


Texas is as Texas does.

Why not move to one of these states, instead?


Hey I'll gladly trade my place in Pennsylvania for yours in Texas, Gen.
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Postby Grave_n_idle » Fri Jun 05, 2015 6:52 am

Crimiea wrote:I'm frightened at the number of Rand Paul supporter.


Armchair evangelists tend to succumb to party politics once they actually have to leave the house to vote.

It's one of the main reasons I think elections should never be democratised down to something you do at home, in front of your computer.
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Postby Steamtopia » Fri Jun 05, 2015 9:00 am

Crimiea wrote:I'm frightened at the number of Rand Paul supporter.

Gary Johnson, please come back to the GOP and run. Or convince Bill Haslam to run.

It's an internet thing.
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Postby Genivaria » Fri Jun 05, 2015 11:10 am

Grave_n_idle wrote:
Crimiea wrote:I'm frightened at the number of Rand Paul supporter.


Armchair evangelists tend to succumb to party politics once they actually have to leave the house to vote.

It's one of the main reasons I think elections should never be democratised down to something you do at home, in front of your computer.

"%60 of the internet thinks that politicians should have to wear a shock collar that goes off every time they lie."
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Postby Diopolis » Fri Jun 05, 2015 11:13 am

Genivaria wrote:
Grave_n_idle wrote:
Armchair evangelists tend to succumb to party politics once they actually have to leave the house to vote.

It's one of the main reasons I think elections should never be democratised down to something you do at home, in front of your computer.

"%60 of the internet thinks that politicians should have to wear a shock collar that goes off every time they lie."

It would run out of charge too quickly. Use jumper cables wired directly into the powergrid.
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Fri Jun 05, 2015 11:25 am

Diopolis wrote:
Genivaria wrote:"%60 of the internet thinks that politicians should have to wear a shock collar that goes off every time they lie."

It would run out of charge too quickly. Use jumper cables wired directly into the powergrid.


We're already having an energy crisis!

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Postby Romalae » Fri Jun 05, 2015 12:06 pm

Steamtopia wrote:
Crimiea wrote:I'm frightened at the number of Rand Paul supporter.

It's an internet thing.

I wish there was some polling/survey data about the ideological leanings of Internet users in comparison with the holistic population's ideological leanings. It seems like we can only rely on personal observation. The Rand Paul/Ron Paul crowd is disturbingly large on the Internet, but admittedly the Bernie Sanders types are overrepresented as well. These groups seem larger than they actually are because of their larger Internet presence.
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Postby Myrensis » Fri Jun 05, 2015 12:20 pm

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:1.9%.

Great. I'm sure that increasing efficiency by nearly 2% will change everything.


It's a common theme for the party of 'small government' to demand big government intervention for nigh non-existent problems when it's politically convenient.

.0000013% instances of voter fraud? Our Democracy is on the verge of collapse! We need strict and immediate government intervention and Voter ID laws!!

1.9% fraudulent welfare claims? Welfare Queens are sucking our economy dry! We need strict and immediate government intervention with restrictions and limitations places on all forms of welfare!

67% of all homicides and 60% of all suicides committed with guns? Guns are the God given right of every man, woman, and child! Stay away, Big Government Nazis!

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Postby Diopolis » Fri Jun 05, 2015 12:38 pm

Romalae wrote:
Steamtopia wrote:It's an internet thing.

I wish there was some polling/survey data about the ideological leanings of Internet users in comparison with the holistic population's ideological leanings. It seems like we can only rely on personal observation. The Rand Paul/Ron Paul crowd is disturbingly large on the Internet, but admittedly the Bernie Sanders types are overrepresented as well. These groups seem larger than they actually are because of their larger Internet presence.

The internet swings more socially liberal than not because it's difficult to get reliable internet in rural areas, which tend to have the bulk of the socially conservative population- both because social-conservative types are attracted to a more rural lifestyle, and because rural areas tend to lag behind urban areas in development. So the social far left is overrepresented on the internet, and they're attracted to candidates who want to legalize drugs and such. While rand isn't exactly a social liberal, people who supported his father aren't exactly known for changing their minds.
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Postby Russiona » Fri Jun 05, 2015 12:45 pm

i think George Pataki is the most sensible i'd just love to see George Pataki vs. Bernie Sanders or Martin O Malley

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Postby Steamtopia » Fri Jun 05, 2015 4:30 pm

Romalae wrote:
Steamtopia wrote:It's an internet thing.

I wish there was some polling/survey data about the ideological leanings of Internet users in comparison with the holistic population's ideological leanings. It seems like we can only rely on personal observation. The Rand Paul/Ron Paul crowd is disturbingly large on the Internet, but admittedly the Bernie Sanders types are overrepresented as well. These groups seem larger than they actually are because of their larger Internet presence.

Extremism is over-represented, yes.
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Postby Grave_n_idle » Fri Jun 05, 2015 4:35 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Grave_n_idle wrote:
Armchair evangelists tend to succumb to party politics once they actually have to leave the house to vote.

It's one of the main reasons I think elections should never be democratised down to something you do at home, in front of your computer.

"%60 of the internet thinks that politicians should have to wear a shock collar that goes off every time they lie."


Lying isn't. in and of itself - a bad thing. Oversimplification, on the other hand, usually is.

This is why democracy doesn't work.
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Postby Geilinor » Fri Jun 05, 2015 7:17 pm


Carson is going to fall because he doesn't know what he's doing. He never wanted to run before people praised that speech anyway.
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Postby Romalae » Fri Jun 05, 2015 7:29 pm

Geilinor wrote:

Carson is going to fall because he doesn't know what he's doing. He never wanted to run before people praised that speech anyway.

What does he have going for him anyway? Just that he talks a good game to the Christian Right that makes up the conservative base? He doesn't have any real political experience, just a bunch of speaking engagements.
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Postby Borovan4 » Fri Jun 05, 2015 11:15 pm

Every four or eight years there's always a radical semi qualified black conservative running.

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Postby Prussia-Steinbach » Fri Jun 05, 2015 11:48 pm

Borovan4 wrote:Every four or eight years there's always a radical semi qualified black conservative running.

GOP's token minority candidate.
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Postby Grave_n_idle » Sat Jun 06, 2015 3:18 am

Romalae wrote:
Geilinor wrote:Carson is going to fall because he doesn't know what he's doing. He never wanted to run before people praised that speech anyway.

What does he have going for him anyway? Just that he talks a good game to the Christian Right that makes up the conservative base? He doesn't have any real political experience, just a bunch of speaking engagements.


The cynical side of me says that he's either the 'new Herman Cain', or he's the 'rightwing Obama'. Either way, he appears to serve the purpose of being the least objectionable token candidate.
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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Sat Jun 06, 2015 3:22 am

Borovan4 wrote:Every four or eight years there's always a radical semi qualified black conservative running.

He's not even semi qualified, to be honest.
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Postby Patridam » Sat Jun 06, 2015 6:45 am

Prussia-Steinbach wrote:
Borovan4 wrote:Every four or eight years there's always a radical semi qualified black conservative running.

GOP's token minority candidate.


The racial disproportion shouldn't be suprising considering like 90% of blacks vote Democrat. I think the radicalness may have to do with how even fairly moderately conservative blacks remain Democrat so it takes a fairly extreme one to go Republican.
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Postby Osterreich-Bayern » Sat Jun 06, 2015 7:43 am

Patridam wrote:
Prussia-Steinbach wrote:GOP's token minority candidate.


The racial disproportion shouldn't be suprising considering like 90% of blacks vote Democrat. I think the radicalness may have to do with how even fairly moderately conservative blacks remain Democrat so it takes a fairly extreme one to go Republican.

Very valid point
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Postby Neo-Chicago » Sat Jun 06, 2015 11:33 am

Diopolis wrote:
Romalae wrote:I wish there was some polling/survey data about the ideological leanings of Internet users in comparison with the holistic population's ideological leanings. It seems like we can only rely on personal observation. The Rand Paul/Ron Paul crowd is disturbingly large on the Internet, but admittedly the Bernie Sanders types are overrepresented as well. These groups seem larger than they actually are because of their larger Internet presence.

The internet swings more socially liberal than not because it's difficult to get reliable internet in rural areas, which tend to have the bulk of the socially conservative population- both because social-conservative types are attracted to a more rural lifestyle, and because rural areas tend to lag behind urban areas in development. So the social far left is overrepresented on the internet, and they're attracted to candidates who want to legalize drugs and such. While rand isn't exactly a social liberal, people who supported his father aren't exactly known for changing their minds.

Actually, internet's very easy to get in rural areas. Coming from Nowhere, Indiana (not literally, obviously, but you know what I mean), my internet's pretty fantastic. Anyway, I support Rick Perry, although I'd be happy with any republican who's not Jeb Bush or... *shudders* Donald Trump.
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Postby Shazbotdom » Sat Jun 06, 2015 12:29 pm

Neo-Chicago wrote:
Diopolis wrote:The internet swings more socially liberal than not because it's difficult to get reliable internet in rural areas, which tend to have the bulk of the socially conservative population- both because social-conservative types are attracted to a more rural lifestyle, and because rural areas tend to lag behind urban areas in development. So the social far left is overrepresented on the internet, and they're attracted to candidates who want to legalize drugs and such. While rand isn't exactly a social liberal, people who supported his father aren't exactly known for changing their minds.

Actually, internet's very easy to get in rural areas. Coming from Nowhere, Indiana (not literally, obviously, but you know what I mean), my internet's pretty fantastic. Anyway, I support Rick Perry, although I'd be happy with any republican who's not Jeb Bush or... *shudders* Donald Trump.

Oh, come on. I thought Donald Trump was the Tea Party/Birthers/whatever's poster child?

You're saying it isn't so?
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Postby Ashmoria » Sat Jun 06, 2015 12:35 pm

Shazbotdom wrote:
Neo-Chicago wrote:Actually, internet's very easy to get in rural areas. Coming from Nowhere, Indiana (not literally, obviously, but you know what I mean), my internet's pretty fantastic. Anyway, I support Rick Perry, although I'd be happy with any republican who's not Jeb Bush or... *shudders* Donald Trump.

Oh, come on. I thought Donald Trump was the Tea Party/Birthers/whatever's poster child?

You're saying it isn't so?


trump makes you sick with anticipation that he might do well enough to be a contender for the nomination but really he isn't interested in it and will never work hard enough to win. he hasn't even given up his TV show. on the 16th he is going to say "nah" and be on his way.

rick perry on the other hand doesn't have much of a chance and id look forward to saying "good riddance" to the man who wants to be the champion of the working man but is against raising the minimum wage.
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Postby Our Governator » Sat Jun 06, 2015 12:40 pm

Shazbotdom wrote:
Neo-Chicago wrote:Actually, internet's very easy to get in rural areas. Coming from Nowhere, Indiana (not literally, obviously, but you know what I mean), my internet's pretty fantastic. Anyway, I support Rick Perry, although I'd be happy with any republican who's not Jeb Bush or... *shudders* Donald Trump.

Oh, come on. I thought Donald Trump was the Tea Party/Birthers/whatever's poster child?

You're saying it isn't so?

Nobody likes Donald Trump. For the case in point, look at his twitter feed. Charles Krauthammer, a conservative columnist and a regular on Fox News, said of a poll that showed that 59% of Republicans said they'd never vote for Donald Trump that Trump deserved it. Trump proceeded to tweet a flurry of insults to Krauthammer. It's like having a middle schooler in national politics.
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