[US Election 2016] Republican Primary Megathread

[Prussia-Steinbach]

It's everybody's business to know the difference, like it's everybody's responsibility to know the difference between a neoconservative and a fascist.

Do you have any idea how many times the candidates in this primary have been called facists just within this thread? It appears many people do not know the difference.

I do. Plenty of us do. So we call them what they are: Neoconservatives, bigots, homophobes, elitists, etc.

[Osterreich-Bayern]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism

"Socialism is a social and economic system characterised by social ownership of the means of production"

Damn it, why baby him? Needs to learn how to figure it out himself.

Anyway, yeah. A democratic workplace and ownership of the means of production by the people at large.

So let's provide a real world example then portugal for instance would that be a socialist state

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Damn it, why baby him? Needs to learn how to figure it out himself.

Anyway, yeah. A democratic workplace and ownership of the means of production by the people at large.

So let's provide a real world example then portugal for instance would that be a socialist state

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...are you really still having trouble with this? Does Portugal have democratic industry and popular ownership of the means of production?

[Osterreich-Bayern]

So let's provide a real world example then portugal for instance would that be a socialist state

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...are you really still having trouble with this? Does Portugal have democratic industry and popular ownership of the means of production?

I'm just tying to move away from theoretical politics and into the realm of practice

[Diopolis]

Damn it, why baby him? Needs to learn how to figure it out himself.

Anyway, yeah. A democratic workplace and ownership of the means of production by the people at large.

So let's provide a real world example then portugal for instance would that be a socialist state

No. Yugoslavia may have been a socialist state, but there really haven't been many.

[Osterreich-Bayern]

So let's provide a real world example then portugal for instance would that be a socialist state

No. Yugoslavia may have been a socialist state, but there really haven't been many.

So you won't consider Canada then not an expert on Canada just know it's commonly referred to as socialist

[Diopolis]

No. Yugoslavia may have been a socialist state, but there really haven't been many.

So you won't consider Canada then not an expert on Canada just know it's commonly referred to as socialist

No. And who, aside from the John Birch society, refers to Canada as socialist? They have socialized healthcare, but they're not socialist.

[Patridam]

Socialism is somewhere between difficult and impossible to institute itself - it requires a level of cooperation heretofore unachieved by man. Communism is the "real life" version of socialism.

[Glorious KASSRD]

No. Yugoslavia may have been a socialist state, but there really haven't been many.

So you won't consider Canada then not an expert on Canada just know it's commonly referred to as socialist

Government provided programs is not socialism. Some people don't understand this. Economists do.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

No. Yugoslavia may have been a socialist state, but there really haven't been many.

So you won't consider Canada then not an expert on Canada just know it's commonly referred to as socialist

I've literally never heard a single person ever claim Canada was socialist. Like, not even a Tea Partier.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

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...are you really still having trouble with this? Does Portugal have democratic industry and popular ownership of the means of production?

I'm just tying to move away from theoretical politics and into the realm of practice

There is no socialist state in existence.

[Osterreich-Bayern]

So you won't consider Canada then not an expert on Canada just know it's commonly referred to as socialist

No. And who, aside from the John Birch society, refers to Canada as socialist? They have socialized healthcare, but they're not socialist.

Just an idea of American culture not polticians but the commoners and if you say Portugal for instance isn't socialist why does its constituion preamble mention it is

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Socialism is somewhere between difficult and impossible to institute itself - it requires a level of cooperation heretofore unachieved by man. Communism is the "real life" version of socialism.

How the fuck do you work that around in your head? Communism is vastly more idealistic and utopian than socialism. I honestly think we'll see socialism in our lifetimes.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

It's everybody's business to know the difference, like it's everybody's responsibility to know the difference between a neoconservative and a fascist.

Do you have any idea how many times the candidates in this primary have been called facists just within this thread? It appears many people do not know the difference.

Yes. When I see that, I correct it. Words have particular meanings, and while I do appreciate the use of exaggeration (or understatement) for effect, I do wish that more people would respect that fact.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

No. And who, aside from the John Birch society, refers to Canada as socialist? They have socialized healthcare, but they're not socialist.

Just an idea of American culture not polticians but the commoners and if you say Portugal for instance isn't socialist why does its constituion preamble mention it is

Literally just read it and I don't see them saying that.

http://app.parlamento.pt/site_antigo/in ... nitive.pdf

Says they want to open a path toward socialism. And it doesn't matter what they call themselves anyway, unless it's, you know, true.

[Patridam]

Socialism is somewhere between difficult and impossible to institute itself - it requires a level of cooperation heretofore unachieved by man. Communism is the "real life" version of socialism.

How the fuck do you work that around in your head? Communism is vastly more idealistic and utopian than socialism. I honestly think we'll see socialism in our lifetimes.

Communism is the closest thing to socialism that has been instituted on any sort of scale in real life, so while perhaps not very successful, it is in my mind more realistic simply because it has actually existed.

[Osterreich-Bayern]

Just an idea of American culture not polticians but the commoners and if you say Portugal for instance isn't socialist why does its constituion preamble mention it is

Literally just read it and I don't see them saying that.

http://app.parlamento.pt/site_antigo/in ... nitive.pdf

Says they want to open a path toward socialism. And it doesn't matter what they call themselves anyway, unless it's, you know, true.

I'll give you props for finding a copy of the consitution but if they consider socialism then isn't the definition of the word changing

[Patridam]

Just an idea of American culture not polticians but the commoners and if you say Portugal for instance isn't socialist why does its constituion preamble mention it is

Literally just read it and I don't see them saying that.

http://app.parlamento.pt/site_antigo/in ... nitive.pdf

Says they want to open a path toward socialism. And it doesn't matter what they call themselves anyway, unless it's, you know, true.

So, social democracy is the path towards socialism?

[Prussia-Steinbach]

How the fuck do you work that around in your head? Communism is vastly more idealistic and utopian than socialism. I honestly think we'll see socialism in our lifetimes.

Communism is the closest thing to socialism that has been instituted on any sort of scale in real life, so while perhaps not very successful, it is in my mind more realistic simply because it has actually existed.

In small communes... I don't think that really counts, though.

And socialism has existed, mostly in a state socialist form.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Literally just read it and I don't see them saying that.

http://app.parlamento.pt/site_antigo/in ... nitive.pdf

Says they want to open a path toward socialism. And it doesn't matter what they call themselves anyway, unless it's, you know, true.

So, social democracy is the path towards socialism?

No.

[Prussia-Steinbach]

Literally just read it and I don't see them saying that.

http://app.parlamento.pt/site_antigo/in ... nitive.pdf

Says they want to open a path toward socialism. And it doesn't matter what they call themselves anyway, unless it's, you know, true.

I'll give you props for finding a copy of the consitution but if they consider socialism then isn't the definition of the word changing

What?

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Literally just read it and I don't see them saying that.

http://app.parlamento.pt/site_antigo/in ... nitive.pdf

Says they want to open a path toward socialism. And it doesn't matter what they call themselves anyway, unless it's, you know, true.

So, social democracy is the path towards socialism?

Some have seen it as such, others see it as an end in and of itself.

[Eastern Equestria]

So, social democracy is the path towards socialism?

Some have seen it as such, others see it as an end in and of itself.

I'm of the latter viewpoint, personally.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Some have seen it as such, others see it as an end in and of itself.

I'm of the latter viewpoint, personally.

Same here, though as of late, I've found democratic socialism to have a certain appeal, if only because the socialists are the only ones who seem willing to address systemic issues as they affect those on the lowest economic rung.

[Atlanticatia]

So, social democracy is the path towards socialism?

No.

Social democracy was originally a reformist ideology meant to eventually abolish capitalism, and move to a socialist economy. Modern social democracy is a lot different but some people still do see it as a path to socialism.